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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: New Camera Mounv (Richard Girard)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (mark.shimei)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: New Camera Mounv (russ kinne)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (b young)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (Thom Riddle)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (william sullivan)
8. 08:51 AM - Question: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (TheWanderingWench)
9. 08:55 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (Thom Riddle)
10. 09:11 AM - Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (william sullivan)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (william sullivan)
12. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (Larry Cottrell)
13. 10:10 AM - Emergency Procedures (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 10:28 AM - Videos (william sullivan)
15. 10:37 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Jim Kmet)
16. 10:58 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
17. 11:24 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
18. 11:50 AM - Hauck's picture (Rex Rodebush)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: New Video (cristalclear13)
20. 12:46 PM - Re: check list (cristalclear13)
21. 12:55 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Mike Welch)
22. 12:59 PM - Re: Hauck's picture (John Hauck)
23. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (b young)
24. 12:59 PM - Re: Videos (Larry Cottrell)
25. 01:07 PM - Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's (Thom Riddle)
26. 01:29 PM - Re: Hauck's picture (cristalclear13)
27. 02:50 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (b young)
28. 03:04 PM - Re: Videos (b young)
29. 03:51 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Dana Hague)
30. 03:53 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (TheWanderingWench)
31. 03:54 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
32. 03:55 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (robert bean)
33. 04:57 PM - Re: Fly-in's (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
34. 04:57 PM - Fw: Videos (Larry Cottrell)
35. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Fly-in's (John Hauck)
36. 06:54 PM - Re: Videos (ces308)
37. 07:05 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
. 6 pounds of fuel burnt for each hour spent running your engine at one horsepower
output.
.6 pounds of fuel burnt for each horsepower your engine outputs for one hour of
running time.
Same-Same to me. I personally don't care which order you put the units in. The
resulting HP estimate will be the same.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: New Camera Mounv |
First, should have been camera mounT. Oops. Second, you may be right,
although I've done my best to damp out prop and engine vibration at the
source, I'll know this afternoon if I need to add vibration damping at the
camera end, too.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>wrote:
> I don't know if you have tried it out yet, but I could never mount any
> camera that I used there without a foam pad under it. Even stabilization
> would not do it for me. Perhaps yours is smoother than mine was.
> Larry
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> *Sent:* Monday, March 01, 2010 5:36 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: New Camera Mounv
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> Yesterday was overcast and windy so I put my energy into a new camera mount
> for a pilot's eye view.
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> Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
I cruise my Ultrastar at 4400rpm,burn 2 gph at 50mph. Takeoff max RPM is
6000. EGT is just below 1200,CHT is under 290deg.
Gauges were checked for accuracy,I thought they were off. Mark
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| Subject: | Re: New Camera Mounv |
Rick\
IMHO you WILL need vibration-absorption at the camera/airframe
junction. Unless all your viewers have very fuzzy vision.
Even then, the vibration will loosen screws & various parts over
time. Believe this!
do not archive
Russ K
On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> First, should have been camera mounT. Oops. Second, you may be
> right, although I've done my best to damp out prop and engine
> vibration at the source, I'll know this afternoon if I need to add
> vibration damping at the camera end, too.
>
> Rick Girard
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> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Larry Cottrell
> <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
> I don't know if you have tried it out yet, but I could never mount
> any camera that I used there without a foam pad under it. Even
> stabilization would not do it for me. Perhaps yours is smoother
> than mine was.
> Larry
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> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: New Camera Mounv
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> Yesterday was overcast and windy so I put my energy into a new
> camera mount for a pilot's eye view.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
lets face it...you are not going to get much more than 12 hp per gal per
hour...
This is the fuel consumption chart for the 912 ul
Bottom scale is 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000
Right scale lb/hp.hr from bottom up is .5, .55, .6, .65
So do I interpret this to say the harder you push a 912 the less fuel it
burns per HP per hour?
And if I interpolate correctly, is around 4.8 lb/hp.hour
Boyd Young
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
Boyd,
The image is too small to see. If you have a larger version, please post it. I
can't find a BSFC graph for the 912 engines in any recent manuals.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
Thom- Lockwood's catalogue has copies of the Rotax fuel comsumption charts.
- You'll need your glasses to read them.
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- Bill Sullivan
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- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Question: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
A friend of mine who does a lot of research re: aircraft and engines said t
hat he has been talking with mechanics who service industrial air cooled en
gines in manufacturing plants. He was told that they spray ATF Transmission
fluid into the carburators (with the engine running) to decarbon.-
Has anyone ever heard of this - or tried it?
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
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=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
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=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
Bill,
My 2006-7 Lockwood catalogue shows fuel consumption for the 912 series engines
only as a GPH curve. I think the older catalogues showed the BSFC curve like on
the 2-stroke engines but I threw them away after I got this "new" one at Lockwood's
912 school around that time.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
- It used to be the start of a tune-up on older automobiles to warm up th
e engine and spray water or a light oil like ATF into the carb.- I have t
ried the water, and the steam will blow all the carbon loose.- It's done
at a high idle, and then you make a couple of high RPM runs and watch the f
laming carbon go out the tailpipe.- I almost set a corn field on fire doi
ng this- big chunks of carbon throwing sparks.- It also gets carbon all o
ver the plugs, which then have to be cleaned/changed.- I do not know if a
Rotax will put up with this.- Supposedly the oils also work (including M
arvel Mystery Oil), but I haven't tried them.- Newer cars have a catalyti
c converter, and any oil could ruin the converter.
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Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
- Thom- I put my glasses on to read the fine print, and you are right.-
They do use different ways to chart the fuel consumption in Lockwood's 200
7-2008 book.- I wonder why Rotax uses the two systems?
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---------------- 50 degrees, and nice
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
I guess its been a tough spring every where. You guy's are putting a lot
of effort and thought into something that is only going to be a WAG for
your individual planes and the way that you fly them. Perhaps I am a bit
strange as I have never found any of the charts and info from Rotax to
be much more than a generalization. Perhaps it is the result of my
altitude. I also doubt that many of you actually fly at 75% of power, I
know that I don't, I seem to require more than a hole in the sky to
satisfy my apparently jaded outlook. But its much better than having a P
match.
Keep up the good work!
Larry
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From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's
Thom- I put my glasses on to read the fine print, and you are
right. They do use different ways to chart the fuel consumption in
Lockwood's 2007-2008 book. I wonder why Rotax uses the two systems?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
50 degrees, and nice
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| Subject: | Emergency Procedures |
We need a new subject to kick around.
As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if a up elevator
cable broke in flight could the day be saved by flying inverted?
Consider a landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt and end up
upright.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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- Larry- Time for more videos.- Get out there!- Please!
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do not archive
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51 degrees and climbing, no wind
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Depends ,,,,,,,,, what broke the cable ?. : )
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3C
Cookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
We need a new subject to kick around.
As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if a up
elevator cable broke in flight could the day be saved by flying
inverted? Consider a landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt
and end up upright.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Jim
Good point. Lets assume something like corrosion. Are there other things
that could fail? Seems like John H uses something like a 5/16 cable. I
saw one MKIIIC built with no kidding a 1/4 inch cable (defiantly not
recommended). A weld could fail some where. Let me perfectly clear I
think a plans built plane that is maintained isn't going to have a
problem.
Just wondered if flying inverted could save the day if a up elevator
cable broke.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Kmet
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
Depends ,,,,,,,,, what broke the cable ?. : )
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3C
Cookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
We need a new subject to kick around.
As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if a up
elevator cable broke in flight could the day be saved by flying
inverted? Consider a landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt
and end up upright.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Rick/Gang:
I use 1/8" up elevator cable, and have since I built my mkIII in 1991.
Two years ago I discovered the 3/32 cable stretched considerably,
reducing up elevator travel when flying two up in the newest MKIIIx. We
changed to 1/8" cable and eliminated the problem. Did not compute
difference in weight of the larger cable, but would think it would be
negligible and well worth the weight penalty.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Seems like John H uses something like a 5/16 cable. Rick
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Just opened the March copy of Sport Aviation and on the back page is a great picture
of John's plane in Alaska. It's the "member photo of the month".
Rex
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Good video Rick. Thanks for sharing.
I actually got to get up in my Kolb last night. The air was still and the sunset
gorgeous. Medicine for the soul!
do not archive
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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A friend helped me with the following lists. Something to start with anyways:
START
1. Seat belts FASTENED
2. Fuel Prime / Choke ON
3. Master Switch ON
4. Clear Prop Area
5. Ignition Switch START
6. Choke OFF
7. Intercom Switch ON
8. Radio ON, EMER channel, AWOS, airport freq
TAXI / BEFORE TAKEOFF
1. Brakes CHECK
2. Instruments CHECK
a. ELT STANDBY
b. Altimeter set to airport altitude
3. Flight controls CHECK
4. Doors closed and secure
5. CHT within range
BEFORE LANDING
1. Fuel level CHECK
2. Undercarriage CHECK
3. Instruments/switches CHECK
4. Seatbelts Fastened
AFTER LANDING
1. ELT check EMER channel to verify NOT activated
2. ELT - OFF
SHUT DOWN
1. Radio OFF
2. Intercom Switch OFF
3. Master Switch OFF
4. Ignition Switch OFF and Key OUT
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Emergency Procedures |
>As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if a up elevator c
able broke in flight could the day >be saved by flying inverted? Consider a
landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt and end up >upright.
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Rick=2C
Good idea about a topic change. Regarding losing an up-elevator cable=2C
you would NOT need to try to fly inverted. For me=2C I'd think that's a g
uaranteed way to die.
When I was learning how to fly for my private pilot license=2C my instruc
tor Loren (a girl)=2C used to make me practice things such as you describe.
You can control the up elevator with trim. You should have seen us spinn
ing the trim wheel to get control. All you'd need to do in a Kolb is set t
he trim to a slight decending postion=2C and control altitude with engine s
peed.
For aileron loss=2C we'd open a door. For a left turn=2C push the left d
oor way out into the wind (with left rudder). You will turn left!! For a
right turn=2C you do the right door (and rudder) the same way. You won't s
pin on a dime=2C but you darn sure have "some" control!
Back when I was able to fly quite frequently=2C I used to practice these
types manuevers. They're kind of fun. At least you'd know what to do if y
ou ever needed to.
I also liked to practice slight turns=2C right at the verge of stall. I'
d set my plane up to fly about as slow as it could=2C stall horn blaring=2C
and then do lots of left and right turns. My forward speed was practicall
y nothing=2C when viewed from the ground=2C I'd bet!
Practicing for all sorts of emergency situations is just plain smart. Th
e pilot that survives the best will likely be the one who practiced for the
least expected event. IMO
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's picture |
Just opened the March copy of Sport Aviation and on the back page is a
great picture of John's plane in Alaska. It's the "member photo of the
month".
Rex
***********
Thanks, Rex:
I have known about it for a month, but EAA asked me to keep it under my hat
until the mag was published this month. That was hard to do.
You all have seen that particular photo many times over the years since it
was shot in July 2004.
Living at the end of the "mail mule train" I'll get my copy in a couple
weeks.
The digital copy is not up on the EAA web site, but you can see the Feb copy
there.
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
Boyd,
The image is too small to see. If you have a larger version, please post it.
I can't find a BSFC graph for the 912 engines in any recent manuals.
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Thom Riddle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This chart is a part of the pdf attachment. I added the numbers so they
could be read easily.
Boyd
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http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/home.php?sk=lf
This is the best I could do. It is not Kolb related! (fair warning)
I am currently working on the runway and the winters supply of tumble
weeds, so that it will be ready for the Kolbs that will be flying in
here after Monument Valley.
Larry
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From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Videos
Larry- Time for more videos. Get out there! Please!
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
Windsor
Locks, Ct.
FS 447
51 degrees
and climbing, no wind
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Reserve and UL's |
Now I can read it.
All this says is that the efficiency peaks at about 5500 RPM, with approximately
.45-.48 (eye-ball accuracy) lbs of fuel burned per hour per HP being produced.
Since the curve goes up at lower speeds it will consume more fuel per HP produced
at all slower speeds.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's picture |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Living at the end of the "mail mule train" I'll get my copy in a couple
> weeks.
>
>
> john hauck
> MKIII
> Titus, Alabama
I thought I lived at the end, but I got my copy today. That picture is so cool!
and even cooler that it is in the magazine!
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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got wondering if a up elevator cable broke in flight could the day >be saved
by flying inverted?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Larry Born had an idea where he ran the elevator trim cable all the way back
and attached on the elevator horn. That way if the elevator cable broke,,,
pull the elevator trim to max and use forward pressure on the stick for
neutral and down elevator. This way the trim cable holds the normal flight
loads. And the elevator cable only the movement loads, where it is much
less likely to break or even stretch.
Boyd Young
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I am currently working on the runway and the winters supply of tumble weeds,
so that it will be ready for the Kolbs that will be flying in here after
Monument Valley.
Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
What are you saying,,,, are you planting more tumble weeds... didn't
know there was a short supply. Or maybe it will make the landings a bit
softer when the winds blows 3 t o 5 down the runway.
Do not archive.
Boyd Young.
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At 05:04 PM 3/2/2010, b young wrote:
>Larry Born had an idea where he ran the elevator trim cable all the way
>back and attached on the elevator horn. That way if the elevator cable
>broke,,, pull the elevator trim to max...
I set the fixed trim tabs (bent aluminum) for a reasonably slow speed,
around 40mph, figuring an otherwise controlled landing at that speed would
be survivable. Then I use a bungee to the elevator bellcrank for down trim
to offset that for normal flight.
-Dana
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On final into a box canyon airstrip, I lost a rudder cable. With a tailwhee
l E-LSA - not a good thing! I was able to land without damage, but it made
me decide to start practicing emergency maneuvers.
I have a mechanical trim tab (on the elevator) on my Drifter, and I found I
was able to land using only the trim tab and throttle - no elevator input.
I also practiced landing without a rudder - and, easiest of all, landing w
ithout aileron. I still practice these maneuvers each flying season, as wel
l as true dead stick landings. It makes me feel much more confident that ev
en if I miss something in my pre-flight, I'll probably be able to land.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
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=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A>As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if
a up elevator cable broke in flight could the day >be saved by-flying in
verted? Consider a landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt and e
nd up >upright.
=0A-=0A>Rick Neilsen-=0A>Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC=0A-=0A-=0A- Ri
ck,=0A-=0A- Good idea about a topic change.- Regarding losing an up-e
levator-cable, you would NOT need to try to fly inverted.- For me, I'd
think that's a guaranteed way to die.=0A-=0A- When I was learning how t
o fly for my private pilot license, my instructor Loren (a girl), used to m
ake me practice things such as you describe.- You can control the up elev
ator with trim.- You should have seen us spinning the trim wheel to get c
ontrol.- All you'd need to do in a Kolb is set the trim to a slight decen
ding postion, and control altitude with engine speed.=0A-=0A- For ailer
on loss, we'd open a door.- For a left turn, push the left door way out i
nto the wind (with left rudder).- You will turn left!!- For a right tur
n, you do the right door (and rudder)-the same way.- You won't spin on
a dime, but you darn sure have "some" control!=0A-=0A- Back when I-wa
s able-to fly quite frequently, I used to practice these types manuevers.
- They're kind of fun.- At least you'd know what to do if you ever need
ed to.- =0A- I also liked to practice slight turns, right at the verge
of stall.- I'd set my plane up to fly about as slow as it could, stall ho
rn blaring, and then do lots of left and right turns.- My forward speed w
as practically nothing, when viewed from the ground, I'd bet!=0A-=0A- P
racticing for all sorts of emergency situations is just plain smart.- The
pilot that survives the best will likely be the one who practiced for the
least expected event.- IMO=0A-=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII CX=0A-=0A- =0A
-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A=0A
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with ect/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Mike W/Gang:
What works for a 172 doesn't necessarily work for a Kolb.
After you get your mkIII flying, give your 172 emergency procedures a
try, then let us know how they worked out for you and your Kolb.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
When I was learning how to fly for my private pilot license, my
instructor Loren (a girl), used to make me practice things such as you
describe. You can control the up elevator with trim. You should have
seen us spinning the trim wheel to get control. All you'd need to do in
a Kolb is set the trim to a slight decending postion, and control
altitude with engine speed.
For aileron loss, we'd open a door. For a left turn, push the left
door way out into the wind (with left rudder). You will turn left!!
For a right turn, you do the right door (and rudder) the same way. You
won't spin on a dime, but you darn sure have "some" control!
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Mike, since the stock MkIII trim is only a spring load on the cable, I
doubt it would help much.
As for going inverted, that sure doesn't sound appealing. :)
BB
On 2, Mar 2010, at 3:41 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> >As I was drifting off to sleep last night got wondering if a up
elevator cable broke in flight could the day >be saved by flying
inverted? Consider a landing where you would drag an engine in the dirt
and end up >upright.
>
> >Rick Neilsen
> >Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Good idea about a topic change. Regarding losing an up-elevator
cable, you would NOT need to try to fly inverted. For me, I'd think
that's a guaranteed way to die.
>
> When I was learning how to fly for my private pilot license, my
instructor Loren (a girl), used to make me practice things such as you
describe. You can control the up elevator with trim. You should have
seen us spinning the trim wheel to get control. All you'd need to do in
a Kolb is set the trim to a slight decending postion, and control
altitude with engine speed.
>
> For aileron loss, we'd open a door. For a left turn, push the left
door way out into the wind (with left rudder). You will turn left!!
For a right turn, you do the right door (and rudder) the same way. You
won't spin on a dime, but you darn sure have "some" control!
>
> Back when I was able to fly quite frequently, I used to practice
these types manuevers. They're kind of fun. At least you'd know what
to do if you ever needed to.
> I also liked to practice slight turns, right at the verge of stall.
I'd set my plane up to fly about as slow as it could, stall horn
blaring, and then do lots of left and right turns. My forward speed was
practically nothing, when viewed from the ground, I'd bet!
>
> Practicing for all sorts of emergency situations is just plain
smart. The pilot that survives the best will likely be the one who
practiced for the least expected event. IMO
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with ect/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
>
>
>
>
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Gary, George, Other Florida Kolbs
We have been rained out most of the winter. Gary A and I have discussed
starting our own Flyin Saturday March 6th at Arcadia, FL. How about it
anyone interested????? This is totally dependant on weather. We will
check on Friday and give a go/no go. We can reschedule as necessary but
lets get together.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Fly-in's
Rick,
Sounds like a plan to me.I'll confirm on Friday in case of any change.
See you then!
G.Aman
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From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
To: zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 2, 2010 11:59 am
Subject: Re: Fly-in's
Gary
I don't see anything this Saturday. May be we should create one? How
about Arcadia?
Rick
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From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:56 AM
Subject: Fly-in's
Rick,
Looks like a flyable Saturday may happen this week.Any events
anywhere?
G.Aman
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Sorry, the other link did not work unless you are on Facebook. This one
will take you to my Blog where the video can be viewed by anyone. It is
flying related, just not a Kolb, but it is fun.
http://owyheeflyer.blogspot.com/
As for the tumbleweeds, I am sure that I have plenty, I have done an
attempt to poison them, time will tell, but I have $200.00 invested in
herbicide. I also overhauled the tie down cables.
Larry
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I'd consider flying down with a bit more notice.
It's about 465 sm, would take me at least a day to fly down, a day at
the flyin, and a day to fly home.
Weather is always a factor, and has been terrible in the SE this winter.
Let me know your final plans and I'll see what I can work out to get
there.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
We have been rained out most of the winter. Gary A and I have
discussed starting our own Flyin Saturday March 6th at Arcadia, FL. How
about it anyone interested????? This is totally dependant on weather. We
will check on Friday and give a go/no go. We can reschedule as necessary
but lets get together.
Rick Neilsen
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Hello all...
I did post a couple of new ones if anyone is interested....
http://www.youtube.com/user/ces308
it was a nice day in Mi today..
chris ambrose
M3X/jabiru A-2200 103. HRS
n327cs
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Boyd/Gang:
That wasn't an original idea. Kolb used redundant cables, then decided
it was overkill and eliminated them.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Larry Born had an idea where he ran the elevator trim cable all the way
back and attached on the elevator horn. That way if the elevator cable
broke,,, pull the elevator trim to max and use forward pressure on
the stick for neutral and down elevator. This way the trim cable holds
the normal flight loads. And the elevator cable only the movement
loads, where it is much less likely to break or even stretch.
Boyd Young
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