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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning ()
2. 12:39 AM - 447 (lhaggerty)
3. 01:25 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Denny Rowe)
4. 02:23 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Richard Girard)
5. 02:36 AM - New Camera Mount (Richard Girard)
6. 05:05 AM - Re: check list (Thom Riddle)
7. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: check list (Brett Janaway)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: check list (cristalclear13)
9. 07:24 AM - Recalled Spot GPS messenger returned (frank.goodnight)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
11. 07:43 AM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: check list (russ kinne)
13. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: check list (Brett Janaway)
14. 09:38 AM - Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (Ducati SS)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: 447 (Herb)
16. 11:48 AM - Sport Aviation Photo (John Hauck)
17. 01:10 PM - Re: Sport Aviation Photo (Mike Welch)
18. 02:21 PM - Re: Sport Aviation Photo (Richard Pike)
19. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (b young)
20. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (Jim Kmet)
21. 03:00 PM - Re: 447 (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
22. 03:02 PM - Re: 447 (jerb)
23. 03:54 PM - Re: 447 (henry.voris)
24. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (John Hauck)
25. 05:53 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Denny Rowe)
26. 05:54 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Denny Rowe)
27. 05:56 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Denny Rowe)
28. 06:09 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (Denny Rowe)
29. 06:11 PM - Re: 447 (Herb)
30. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (Jim Kmet)
31. 06:19 PM - Re: Emergency Procedures (John Hauck)
32. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (John Hauck)
33. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (Herb)
34. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: 447 (Larry Johnson)
35. 07:46 PM - Redundant Trim Cable (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
Outboard motors { two stroke ones } recommend decarboning this way.
They of course sell there own stuff in a spray can.
I have used this and had good results without any spark plug problems. I
would of course change plugs after a bit of ground running in the Kolb
..I am braver on the water than in the air .My biggest concern would be
what was going into the exhaust system and would it stay there and maybe
cause a partial blockage
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning
It used to be the start of a tune-up on older automobiles to
warm up the engine and spray water or a light oil like ATF into the
carb. I have tried the water, and the steam will blow all the carbon
loose. It's done at a high idle, and then you make a couple of high RPM
runs and watch the flaming carbon go out the tailpipe. I almost set a
corn field on fire doing this- big chunks of carbon throwing sparks. It
also gets carbon all over the plugs, which then have to be
cleaned/changed. I do not know if a Rotax will put up with this.
Supposedly the oils also work (including Marvel Mystery Oil), but I
haven't tried them. Newer cars have a catalytic converter, and any oil
could ruin the converter.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447
engine. Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
John,
Are you refering to the continuous cable that goes from the stick, to
the up elevator horn and back forward to the elevator trim lever? If
so, how does Kolb do it now?
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
Boyd/Gang:
That wasn't an original idea. Kolb used redundant cables, then
decided it was overkill and eliminated them.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Larry Born had an idea where he ran the elevator trim cable all the
way back and attached on the elevator horn. That way if the elevator
cable broke,,, pull the elevator trim to max and use forward pressure
on the stick for neutral and down elevator. This way the trim cable
holds the normal flight loads. And the elevator cable only the movement
loads, where it is much less likely to break or even stretch.
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
About 15 years ago Kolb added a tab for the trim connection to the side of
the elevator bell crank. The problem with running the cable all the way from
front to rear is that when you use the trim, the elevator cables go slack.
That was how my airplane was rigged when I bought it, I added the tab and
the problem went away.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Denny Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
> John,
> Are you refering to the continuous cable that goes from the stick, to the
> up elevator horn and back forward to the elevator trim lever? If so, how
> does Kolb do it now?
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
>
> Boyd/Gang:
>
> That wasn't an original idea. Kolb used redundant cables, then decided it
> was overkill and eliminated them.
>
> john hauck
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> Larry Born had an idea where he ran the elevator trim cable all the way
> back and attached on the elevator horn. That way if the elevator cable
> broke,,, pull the elevator trim to max and use forward pressure on the
> stick for neutral and down elevator. This way the trim cable holds the
> normal flight loads. And the elevator cable only the movement loads, where
> it is much less likely to break or even stretch.
>
>
> Boyd Young
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| Subject: | New Camera Mount |
Seems to work okay. Between the rubber pads on the Adel clamps and the
neoprene washer I put between the camera and the mount the vibration seems
to be manageable.
Rick Girard
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Sometimes folks get really religious about check lists. As long as you are checking
everything before flight that could get you killed if not right, then you
are doing a good check list.
That said, I would add the following comments about your list.
1) Checking the fuel level before flight is more important than checking it before
landing.
2) I didn't see a mag check in the pre-take-off check.
3) During your take-off roll make sure you are developing normal RPM, if not ABORT.
Do not get airborne if your engine is not developing normal RPM.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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Here is the list I use. it is a good size when printed for on my knee board;
There is also a 2nd sheet where I jot the basics of each flight down as
i do them.
It is in Excel so you can modify it for your own use.
Brett
On 03/03/2010 14:04, Thom Riddle wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle"<riddletr@gmail.com>
>
> Sometimes folks get really religious about check lists. As long as you are checking
everything before flight that could get you killed if not right, then you
are doing a good check list.
>
> That said, I would add the following comments about your list.
> 1) Checking the fuel level before flight is more important than checking it before
landing.
> 2) I didn't see a mag check in the pre-take-off check.
> 3) During your take-off roll make sure you are developing normal RPM, if not
ABORT. Do not get airborne if your engine is not developing normal RPM.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
> - Friedrich Engels
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289033#289033
>
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Thom Riddle wrote:
> Sometimes folks get really religious about check lists. As long as you are checking
everything before flight that could get you killed if not right, then you
are doing a good check list.
>
> That said, I would add the following comments about your list.
> 1) Checking the fuel level before flight is more important than checking it before
landing.
> 2) I didn't see a mag check in the pre-take-off check.
> 3) During your take-off roll make sure you are developing normal RPM, if not
ABORT. Do not get airborne if your engine is not developing normal RPM.
1.) That is in my pre-flight checklist which I didn't include here because I didn't
think Pete was asking for that, but do follow religiously because the one
time I didn't use it I got lucky but sure learned my lesson.
I haven't used this checklist I attached very much because my plane is so simple
this is really in my head. But I will probably start using it because there
are times when I forget about my ELT and one time I left the master on and my
battery was dead next time I came out.
2.) I don't do a mag check because I have single ignition.
3.) That would be in a takeoff checklist which I also did not include here. If
anything is not normal I would abort takeoff. I've only aborted one time when
my ASI wasn't reading anything. Oh ya, and another time when my controls felt
"funny", but it ended up being a good crosswind had kicked up.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Recalled Spot GPS messenger returned |
Spot GPS MESSENGER
Received my spot that had been recalled today. Ran a test , worked OK.
I was glad to get it back before the M.V. trip . I hope anyone else
that bought one has the same results , apparently everything is ok.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville , TX
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Rick G/Gang:
Standard factory Kolb MKIII's never used redundant up elevator cables.
The forward elevator bell crank located at the forward end of the
tailboom has not changed since serial number M3-001.
If Rick's MKIII had a redundant cable that ran to the elevator control
mechanism at the aft end of the tailboom, it was a mod done by the
builder.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
About 15 years ago Kolb added a tab for the trim connection to the
side of the elevator bell crank. The problem with running the cable all
the way from front to rear is that when you use the trim, the elevator
cables go slack. That was how my airplane was rigged when I bought it, I
added the tab and the problem went away.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Denny R/Gang:
The two Kolb aircraft I am not very familiar with are the Twinstar and
MKII. It may have been the Twinstar that had, at one time, a redundant
up elevator cable that ran from the from the stick/cockpit to the
elevator control mechanism at tail end of the tailboom and back to the
up elevator trim lever. If Dennis Souder is reading this, he can
straighten me out.
MKIII owners/pilots will find that 1/8" up elevator cable will increase
control authority over the 3/32" cable that will stretch, especially
when flying two up.
This is an easy, inexpensive way to improve positive control of your
MKIII.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
John,
Are you refering to the continuous cable that goes from the stick, to
the up elevator horn and back forward to the elevator trim lever? If
so, how does Kolb do it now?
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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Seen on a few checklists, but not all, is "check controls for freedom
of movement"
Good idea.
When lined up on the runway for takeoff, the last thing I do is to
push the stick to all four corners to make sure it moves freely and
isn't hung up somewhere.
There was a fatal DC-9 crash once, when a rock blew up into the
elevator hinge, during engine runup, and jammed them full up.
On Mar 3, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Brett Janaway wrote:
>
> Here is the list I use. it is a good size when printed for on my
> knee board;
>
> There is also a 2nd sheet where I jot the basics of each flight
> down as i do them.
>
> It is in Excel so you can modify it for your own use.
>
> Brett
>
>
> On 03/03/2010 14:04, Thom Riddle wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle"<riddletr@gmail.com>
>>
>> Sometimes folks get really religious about check lists. As long as
>> you are checking everything before flight that could get you
>> killed if not right, then you are doing a good check list.
>>
>> That said, I would add the following comments about your list.
>> 1) Checking the fuel level before flight is more important than
>> checking it before landing.
>> 2) I didn't see a mag check in the pre-take-off check.
>> 3) During your take-off roll make sure you are developing normal
>> RPM, if not ABORT. Do not get airborne if your engine is not
>> developing normal RPM.
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>> Buffalo, NY
>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>>
>>
>> An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
>> - Friedrich Engels
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289033#289033
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> <CheckList.xls>
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Yep, that's on that list. About half way down. Pretty much the most
important one to me. I can fly without an engine, but if the control
jams in the corner you're stuffed. Eeeeek
In case people didn't spot it, when you open the Excel sheet you need to
switch to Sheet 1 for the list
On 03/03/2010 16:54, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Seen on a few checklists, but not all, is "check controls for freedom
> of movement"
> Good idea.
> When lined up on the runway for takeoff, the last thing I do is to
> push the stick to all four corners to make sure it moves freely and
> isn't hung up somewhere.
> There was a fatal DC-9 crash once, when a rock blew up into the
> elevator hinge, during engine runup, and jammed them full up.
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Brett Janaway wrote:
>
>>
>> Here is the list I use. it is a good size when printed for on my knee
>> board;
>>
>> There is also a 2nd sheet where I jot the basics of each flight down
>> as i do them.
>>
>> It is in Excel so you can modify it for your own use.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/03/2010 14:04, Thom Riddle wrote:
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle"<riddletr@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Sometimes folks get really religious about check lists. As long as
>>> you are checking everything before flight that could get you killed
>>> if not right, then you are doing a good check list.
>>>
>>> That said, I would add the following comments about your list.
>>> 1) Checking the fuel level before flight is more important than
>>> checking it before landing.
>>> 2) I didn't see a mag check in the pre-take-off check.
>>> 3) During your take-off roll make sure you are developing normal
>>> RPM, if not ABORT. Do not get airborne if your engine is not
>>> developing normal RPM.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Thom Riddle
>>> Buffalo, NY
>>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>>> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>>> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>>>
>>>
>>> An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
>>> - Friedrich Engels
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289033#289033
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <CheckList.xls>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
I would not use this method for the following reasons. As your post lists a 447
I will assume we are talking 2 strokes though some points apply to four strokes.
The use of oil rather than water would eliminate the danger of some of the
following but the risk of hydro lock would remain. Head removal on a two stroke
is so easy I would not risk any short cuts.
1 Auto engines have more cylinders and much larger intake/plenum area to distribute
the liquid. You would be risking hydro lock and a bent rod.
2 Thermal stresses, any volume of liquid will draw away alot of heat fast.
3 In a two stroke whatever liquid you use must first enter the crankcase , not
a good place for water.
4 If you are steaming carbon off of the piston and head then you are also steaming
oil off of the cylinder.
5 This is probably of least concern but you have no control over where all those
bits of carbon go. Remember that as the piston moves up the bore rising gas
pressure forces the rings out to seal against the cylinder. Driving bits of
carbon between the piston and rings could stick a ring.
The first shop I worked in was a Kawasaki Sno Jet dealership. One of my co workers
( an otherwise good mechanic but must of been totally brain dead that day)
tried to kick over an H2 that was hydro locked and bent a rod like a pretzel.
Imagine what would happen with all the inertia of the prop and gear box fed
back into the crank in a hydro lock situation.
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Points ignition has ignition coils stacked at the pull start end
of the engine...Herb
At 02:39 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447
>engine. Pete
>
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation Photo |
Hi Folks:
Darn "mail mule" is getting slower ever year. When I moved up here in the
woods 34 years ago, he was a heck of a lot quicker. Well, I guess I was
too. I still have not received my March issure of Sport Aviation, but I did
get an email from EAA with the electronic version of the mag.
If you want to read the mag, go here:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201003#pg1
The Alaska photo is on page 130. Left click on the photo and it will
increase in size. The EAA folks did a good job:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201003#pg130
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation Photo |
John=2C
My EAA Sport Aviation magazine arrived yesterday. If I'm not mistaken=2C
you are about two days of mule travel from me.
You'll probably see it in tomorrow's mail.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Aviation Photo
> Date: Wed=2C 3 Mar 2010 12:06:33 -0600
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Darn "mail mule" is getting slower ever year. When I moved up here in the
> woods 34 years ago=2C he was a heck of a lot quicker. Well=2C I guess I w
as
> too. I still have not received my March issure of Sport Aviation=2C but I
did
> get an email from EAA with the electronic version of the mag.
>
> If you want to read the mag=2C go here:
>
> http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201003#pg1
>
> The Alaska photo is on page 130. Left click on the photo and it will
> increase in size. The EAA folks did a good job:
>
> http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201003#pg130
>
> john hauck
> mkIII
> Titus=2C Alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
I saw that picture today and thought "That would be a great picture to add to my
Screen Saver folder!" For whatever reason, the EAA page won't let you just right
click it and save it. But there are still ways...
Enjoy, guys, you ought to be able to right click and save this one.
Great picture John, thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
The first shop I worked in was a Kawasaki Sno Jet dealership. One of my
co workers ( an otherwise good mechanic but must of been totally brain dead
that day) tried to kick over an H2 that was hydro locked and bent a rod like
a pretzel. Imagine what would happen with all the inertia of the prop and
gear box fed back into the crank in a hydro lock situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kolb group:
Seems I remember reading spraying in a mist while the engine was running at
a fast idle. A mist should not create a hydro lock.
Or did I miss something?
Then if you run the engine up to temps before shutdown, any residual
moisture will be driven out.
An old mechanic friend told me that he would be hesitant to introduce any
cold water mist into a warm / hot engine, he said to wrap a copper line
around an exhaust stack then meter the liquid into the copper line, this
would pre heat it or turn it to steam before dumping it into the carb.
Boyd Young MkIII
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
Got my Copy Today.
I`m impressed,
I`m inspired,
Most of all,
I`m jealous.......
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3C
Cookeville, TN
Making a 2010 long x-c in a Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sport Aviation Photo
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> I saw that picture today and thought "That would be a great picture to add
> to my Screen Saver folder!" For whatever reason, the EAA page won't let
> you just right click it and save it. But there are still ways...
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> Enjoy, guys, you ought to be able to right click and save this one.
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> Great picture John, thanks
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Pete,
The points 447 has two separate external ignition coils mounted on the
side of the engine and also has an ignition damping box mounted onto the pull
start assembly housing. The CDI Ducati ignition 447 only has one external
ignition coil feeding both plugs.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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In a message dated 3/3/2010 3:39:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lhagg
erty@tampabay.rr.com writes:
How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447 engine.
Pete
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Herb, stacked at one end compared to what?
At 09:52 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>Points ignition has ignition coils stacked at the pull start end
>of the engine...Herb
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>At 02:39 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>>How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447
>>engine. Pete
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How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447 engine. Pete
03feb10
Pete,
Attached is a photo of my thundering 447 w/ Ducatti electrics...
Aloha,
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
Jim Kmet
912 MK-3C
Cookeville, TN
Making a 2010 long x-c in a Kolb
Jim K/Gang:
Share your planned flight with us.
Lakeland would be a good warmup flight in April. Several Kolbers will be
flying in and camping:
Me
Rick Neilsen
Kip Laurie
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
John,
Better check that one, my plans most surely have the continuous cable as
stated in my last reply to ya. No mention in there of connecting the
trim to the front bell crank.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
Rick G/Gang:
Standard factory Kolb MKIII's never used redundant up elevator cables.
The forward elevator bell crank located at the forward end of the
tailboom has not changed since serial number M3-001.
If Rick's MKIII had a redundant cable that ran to the elevator control
mechanism at the aft end of the tailboom, it was a mod done by the
builder.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
About 15 years ago Kolb added a tab for the trim connection to the
side of the elevator bell crank. The problem with running the cable all
the way from front to rear is that when you use the trim, the elevator
cables go slack. That was how my airplane was rigged when I bought it, I
added the tab and the problem went away.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
John,
My Mk-3 kit was produced in 91 but I did not buy it from the original
owner until the late 90s and only finished it in 2003. Per the plans I
rigged the continuous cable on the elevator and trim. 3/32"
I'll keep an eye on the feel of the cable but so far so good, my planes
pretty light, (470 pounds) and only 70 hp and still has low hours. I
have had passengers up to 270 pounds along and had plenty of elevator,
even touching down at idle.
I was not aware they ever changed the elevator rigging. Or maybe I
forgot hearing about it. :-)
Later,
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
Denny R/Gang:
The two Kolb aircraft I am not very familiar with are the Twinstar and
MKII. It may have been the Twinstar that had, at one time, a redundant
up elevator cable that ran from the from the stick/cockpit to the
elevator control mechanism at tail end of the tailboom and back to the
up elevator trim lever. If Dennis Souder is reading this, he can
straighten me out.
MKIII owners/pilots will find that 1/8" up elevator cable will
increase control authority over the 3/32" cable that will stretch,
especially when flying two up.
This is an easy, inexpensive way to improve positive control of your
MKIII.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
John,
Are you refering to the continuous cable that goes from the stick,
to the up elevator horn and back forward to the elevator trim lever? If
so, how does Kolb do it now?
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Rick,
I have not noticed any slack in the elevator in flight, I hope I
remember to check this if our two feet of snow ever melts before
November!
Denny
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From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
About 15 years ago Kolb added a tab for the trim connection to the
side of the elevator bell crank. The problem with running the cable all
the way from front to rear is that when you use the trim, the elevator
cables go slack. That was how my airplane was rigged when I bought it, I
added the tab and the problem went away.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
John,
Better check that one, my plans most surely have the continuous cable as
stated in my last reply to ya. No mention in there of connecting the
trim to the front bell crank.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Emergency Procedures
Rick G/Gang:
Standard factory Kolb MKIII's never used redundant up elevator cables.
The forward elevator bell crank located at the forward end of the
tailboom has not changed since serial number M3-001.
If Rick's MKIII had a redundant cable that ran to the elevator control
mechanism at the aft end of the tailboom, it was a mod done by the
builder.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
About 15 years ago Kolb added a tab for the trim connection to the
side of the elevator bell crank. The problem with running the cable all
the way from front to rear is that when you use the trim, the elevator
cables go slack. That was how my airplane was rigged when I bought it, I
added the tab and the problem went away.
Rick Girard
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Compared to a single ign coil with both wires coming out that is
below the carb area ...Herb
At 03:14 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>Herb, stacked at one end compared to what?
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>At 09:52 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>
>>Points ignition has ignition coils stacked at the pull start end
>>of the engine...Herb
>>
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>>At 02:39 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>How can I tell if I am looking at a point breaker 447 or a SDI 447
>>>engine. Pete
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>03/03/10 07:34:00
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
John, gang,
My Twin Daughters graduate college May 8th & 13th. 1st opportunity will be
later that month, will advise. My best friend lives in Western ,NY. I
haven`t thrown any back with him since OSH 2007. Miss`em., and I`m gettin`
thirsty. It will be nice to suprise the guys. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sport Aviation Photo
>
>
> Jim Kmet
> 912 MK-3C
> Cookeville, TN
> Making a 2010 long x-c in a Kolb
>
>
> Jim K/Gang:
>
> Share your planned flight with us.
>
> Lakeland would be a good warmup flight in April. Several Kolbers will be
> flying in and camping:
>
> Me
> Rick Neilsen
> Kip Laurie
>
> john hauck
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Procedures |
Could be suffering from CRS.
Wouldn't be the first time.
I'll look at my plans and instruction book and see what I can find.
Been a long time since I have been in them.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Better check that one, my plans most surely have the continuous cable
as stated in my last reply to ya. No mention in there of connecting the
trim to the front bell crank.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
Western ,NY. Jim
Jim K/Gang:
Be a nice flight to and through Western NY. Done it a few times myself.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Photo |
Print Key 2000 lets one draw a rectangle around any thing that can be
displayed and then saved on the hard drive...I use it for protected
photos and text all the time...Herb
http://download.cnet.com/PrintKey-Pro/3000-2191_4-10820437.html
At 04:20 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote:
>
>I saw that picture today and thought "That would be a great picture
>to add to my Screen Saver folder!" For whatever reason, the EAA page
>won't let you just right click it and save it. But there are still ways...
>
>Enjoy, guys, you ought to be able to right click and save this one.
>
>Great picture John, thanks
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289099#289099
>
>
>Attachments:
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>http://forums.matronics.com//files/jhinak_861.jpg
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>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>03/03/10 07:34:00
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| Subject: | Redundant Trim Cable |
Folks:
I stand corrected.
I checked my dusty, cob webbed mkIII plans, builders manual, and the little
book of plan sheets. Sure enough, in the builders manual and the little
book of plan sheets there are instructions for installing redundant up
elevator cable to operate the pitch trim.
I have not had a chance to check with Brother Jim who has a memory like an
elephant. Fuzzily I am remembering we fabricated our own elevator pivot
control with two horns to attach cable clevises for the pitch trim, but I
could be wrong again.
Learn something everyday.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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