---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/04/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:41 AM - Elevator trim fix (Richard Girard) 2. 03:18 AM - Re: Elevator trim fix (Denny Rowe) 3. 03:46 AM - Re: Elevator trim fix (Richard Girard) 4. 08:16 AM - Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (Ducati SS) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Sport Aviation Photo (chris davis) 6. 08:26 AM - Re: Hauck's picture (Ducati SS) 7. 08:34 AM - Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (william sullivan) 8. 08:41 AM - Re: Sun & Fun (Watkinsdw) 9. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning (Herb) 10. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Sun & Fun (Sky Biker Richardson) 11. 01:34 PM - Re: Sun & Fun (Watkinsdw) 12. 01:35 PM - Re: Sun & Fun (Watkinsdw) 13. 01:36 PM - Re: Sun & Fun (Watkinsdw) 14. 01:43 PM - Re: Performance of a Bose headset on a Kolb (Rotax engines) (miyer2u) 15. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Sun & Fun (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 16. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Sun & Fun (Sky Biker Richardson) 17. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Fly-in's (Beauford T) 18. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Sun & Fun (John Hauck) 19. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Fly-in's (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 20. 09:44 PM - 447 (lhaggerty) 21. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: Fly-in's (Sky Biker Richardson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Elevator trim fix From: Richard Girard Denny and John, Here's a shot of my fix for the amazing disappearing / reappearing trim tab. This change brought the bell crank up to what was being offered in 2006 when I bought a set of plans from TNK to support Zulu Delta, fuselage ser. no. 043. The tang is from a 1974 Eipper FlexiFlier 19. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Elevator trim fix Thanks Rick, I'll leave mine alone for now but will definitly be checking for slack in the elevator when I have a passenger and a lot of trim pulled in. I like the idea of having the back up elevator cable on the trim lever. Dennny do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Elevator trim fix Denny and John, Here's a shot of my fix for the amazing disappearing / reappearing trim tab. This change brought the bell crank up to what was being offered in 2006 when I bought a set of plans from TNK to support Zulu Delta, fuselage ser. no. 043. The tang is from a 1974 Eipper FlexiFlier 19. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Elevator trim fix From: Richard Girard Denny, You won't feel it, at least I didn't. I saw it when I had the plane in the hangar for some work. I got to wondering what that piece of cable was doing lying on the floor of the boom tube. Turned out to be the rudder cable made slack by the trim cable. I checked the plans and found the difference. When I inquired here, no one could recall the long trim cable, then. The tang solution was just waiting to be found in the scrap drawer. Anyway, I don't know what it got me other than compliance with the current state of the design. Rick Girard On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Denny Rowe wrote: > Thanks Rick, > I'll leave mine alone for now but will definitly be checking for slack in > the elevator when I have a passenger and a lot of trim pulled in. I like > the idea of having the back up elevator cable on the trim lever. > Dennny > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:37 AM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Elevator trim fix > > Denny and John, Here's a shot of my fix for the amazing disappearing / > reappearing trim tab. This change brought the bell crank up to what was > being offered in 2006 when I bought a set of plans from TNK to support Zulu > Delta, fuselage ser. no. 043. The tang is from a 1974 Eipper FlexiFlier 19. > > Rick Girard > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning From: "Ducati SS" No one including myself has all the answers re guarding issues on this list. In the end these are all opinions. In the case of engines I do however believe that I have more experience than average to base my opinions on. Some background - I am 53 and have worked as a mechanic most of my life. I worked for many years as a motorcycle snowmobile mechanic. I have tuned , repaired, rebuilt and modified 2 and 4 strokes. Including porting, piston mods. single cylinder crank rebuilding and such. I now employed as a fleet mechanic working on everything from 4 cyl. cars to bucket trucks, back hoes and cranes. 8 ASE certs. I have also raced mx, road raced motorcycles and currently compete in time attack with my car, all of which requires endless maintenance. I can not begin to estimate how many 2 stroke motors I have opened up, how many modes of failure I have seen nor how many cases of corrosion damage. It can be surprisingly difficult to drive moisture from an engine. the entire engine not just the cylinder and head need to exceed the boiling point and remain at that level for some time to drive moisture out. On a two stroke cool mixture constantly enteres the crankcase cooling it. If you have ever monitored the temp. of the cases during warm up or on a cool day this is very noticable. The crank bearings are exposed to anything the engine injests. If you introduce water mist into the air fuel mix on a 2 stroke it will go to and thru the main and rod bearings. Also the intake side piston skirt will be directly contacted and scrubed by the water. Again, you would be steaming the lube off the upper cylinder walls . We are all free to maintain our engines at the level we are comfortable with. We all weigh the cost and complexity of maintenance before we decide what approach to use. My self I will never pour or spray anything into an engine that care about in an effort to shortcut carbon removal, nor can I recall any manufacturer or tech. rep endorsing this procedure. Now if my daily driver, an older car with little value, starts to ping due to excess carbon buildup I might consider a shortcut of this type. We fly with these engines, parts are expensive, 2 stroke carbon removal is fairly simple, I will do it the right way. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289203#289203 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:42 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sport Aviation Photo Oh thats the picture everyone is talking- about .I made that my screensav er a few years ago the first time John posted it . Nice pic thanks John! Gl ad the EAA thought it-way as good as I do!=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: Richard Pike =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, March 3, 2010 5:20:17 PM=0ASubj ect: Kolb-List: Re: Sport Aviation Photo=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" =0A=0AI saw that picture today and thought "That would be a great picture to add to my Screen Saver folder!" For whatever reason, the EAA page won't let you just right click it and sav e it. But there are still ways...=0A=0AEnjoy, guys, you ought to be able to right click and save this one. =0A=0AGreat picture John, thanks=0A=0ARicha rd Pike=0AMKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online her e:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289099#289099=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/jhinak_861.j ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's picture From: "Ducati SS" Absolutely beautiful photo. Will soon be hanging on my shop wall. Hope the Firefly will not bee jealous. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289210#289210 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:05 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning - Not sure, but I believe major manufacturers dropped the water spray dec arboning sometime in the early 1950's.- I have heard that the procedure w as in the "T" and "A" Ford-maintenance manuals.- Like you, I wouldn't u se the procedure unless it was on a clunker.- Because of the reasons give n, I wouldn't use it on a Rotax.- The carbon has to go somewhere, and may cause other problems.- ATF may not encourage rust, but the hot carbon ma y also end up putting holes in the Stits. - ------------------------- ---------------------- Bill Sul livan ------------------------- ---------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- -----------------------FS 447 ------------------------- ---------------------- 48 degre es and nice out - ------------------------- --------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun From: "Watkinsdw" We are re-thinking our plan to drive. Having been to S&F many times by car, wishing we were "up there, instead of down here," we may fly if the weather and mechanical gods cooperate. Any advice from the 'old hands' here? We already checked out the S&F web site and notam for arrival info. We'll probably fly in on Thursday AM and depart Saturday. How's the field at Paradise city? P.S., If one of us drives the "chase car," does he have to pay at the gate each day, or will the Kolb's registration fee cover us both? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289215#289215 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:46 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning Theoretically, water of other elixirs could be introduced into the exhaust port...and not do damage to bearings or rings...Herb At 10:29 AM 3/4/2010, you wrote: > Not sure, but I believe major manufacturers dropped the water > spray decarboning sometime in the early 1950's. I have heard that > the procedure was in the "T" and "A" Ford maintenance > manuals. Like you, I wouldn't use the procedure unless it was on a > clunker. Because of the reasons given, I wouldn't use it on a > Rotax. The carbon has to go somewhere, and may cause other > problems. ATF may not encourage rust, but the hot carbon may also > end up putting holes in the Stits. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447 > 48 degrees and nice out > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:05 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun When you say down here=2C are you in so. Fl.? > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun > From: david.watkins0@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 4 Mar 2010 08:41:14 -0800 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > We are re-thinking our plan to drive. Having been to S&F many times by ca r=2C wishing we were "up there=2C instead of down here=2C" we may fly if th e weather and mechanical gods cooperate. Any advice from the 'old hands' he re? We already checked out the S&F web site and notam for arrival info. > We'll probably fly in on Thursday AM and depart Saturday. > How's the field at Paradise city? > > P.S.=2C If one of us drives the "chase car=2C" does he have to pay at the gate each day=2C or will the Kolb's registration fee cover us both? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289215#289215 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:38 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun From: "Watkinsdw" I meant "down here" on the ground. For anyone who hasn't had their Kolb very long, you remember what that was like-looking longingly at the aircraft as they fly the circuit at Paradise City. That being said, yes, we are in South Florida. We're based at Pompano Beach (KPMP.) What about you? Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289247#289247 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun From: "Watkinsdw" I meant "down here" on the ground. For anyone who hasn't had their Kolb very long, you remember what that was like-looking longingly at the aircraft as they fly the circuit at Paradise City. That being said, yes, we are in South Florida. We're based at Pompano Beach (KPMP.) What about you? Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289248#289248 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun From: "Watkinsdw" Crap. did it again. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289249#289249 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Performance of a Bose headset on a Kolb (Rotax engines) From: "miyer2u" Thank you Kolbers for all your feedback It was good to understand your experiences and I have decided to stick to my light speed and save the money to meet John Hauk and the Kolb team and fly with you all at Monument Valley! :P best regards, Mahesh Iyer Kolb FS2 - Oregon " The Joy of flight...Nothing comes closer...Its a romance for life!" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289252#289252 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:03 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun David I just looked at the SNF arrival procedures again. When landing at the UL/LSA strip it looks like it will be no big deal just come in from the south and stay below 500' AGL. I haven't landed at SNF before but have landed at Oshkosh many times and this is much better. John H can tell you more but hasn't checked in on the subject yet. I know they did have a run in with a out of line FAA guy once and John W quickly put him in his place. For self preservation I would stay 500 AGL for at least 20 miles out and watch for traffic. The biggest problem you will have is seeing land marks being this low. Check the photos posted for the GA guys before you head in and make sure you don't go north or east of the UL/LSA strip. See you there. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watkinsdw" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun > > We are re-thinking our plan to drive. Having been to S&F many times by > car, wishing we were "up there, instead of down here," we may fly if the > weather and mechanical gods cooperate. Any advice from the 'old hands' > here? We already checked out the S&F web site and notam for arrival info. > We'll probably fly in on Thursday AM and depart Saturday. > How's the field at Paradise city? > > P.S., If one of us drives the "chase car," does he have to pay at the gate > each day, or will the Kolb's registration fee cover us both? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289215#289215 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:15 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun I am between Clewiston and LaBelle Fl. west of you. When I fly over your di rection I fly around the south end of the lake Okeechobee. It's been awhile but use to fly over for breakfast or lunch. > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun > From: david.watkins0@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 4 Mar 2010 13:34:26 -0800 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I meant "down here" on the ground. For anyone who hasn't had their Kolb v ery long=2C you remember what that was like-looking longingly at the aircra ft as they fly the circuit at Paradise City. > > That being said=2C yes=2C we are in South Florida. We're based at Pompano Beach (KPMP.) What about you? > > Dave > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289247#289247 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:57 PM PST US From: "Beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Looks like about 70 miles... shouldn't have to stop for fuel but twice on the way down... Count me in... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Gary, George, Other Florida Kolbs We have been rained out most of the winter. Gary A and I have discussed starting our own Flyin Saturday March 6th at Arcadia, FL. How about it anyone interested????? This is totally dependant on weather. We will check on Friday and give a go/no go. We can reschedule as necessary but lets get together. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Fly-in's Rick, Sounds like a plan to me.I'll confirm on Friday in case of any change. See you then! G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tue, Mar 2, 2010 11:59 am Subject: Re: Fly-in's Gary I don't see anything this Saturday. May be we should create one? How about Arcadia? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: Fly-in's Rick, Looks like a flyable Saturday may happen this week.Any events anywhere? G.Aman ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:57 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun How's the field at Paradise city? P.S., If one of us drives the "chase car," does he have to pay at the gate each day, or will the Kolb's registration fee cover us both? **************** Gang: Field at Paradise City is an east/west grass strip 1,500 feet long. Easy in and out. Read the NOTAM and familiarize yourself with the attached chart. Adhere to it and have fun. I haven't looked at this years NOTAM, so I assume there is a chart attached for our flying area and restricted areas as well as minimum and maximum altitude. Be aware of when the airshow starts and stops. During the airshow, not props turn. If you miss the window to get into Paradise City, you can hang out at at South Lakeland, X49, until the airshow is over. Camping area for aircraft is in the NE corner of the airstrip. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:59 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's All right Bill we have our selves a FLY.... IN...... That's Me, Gary A, Bill T, Pete, Maybe Chuck X. So far looks like one the best flying days of the winter. How about some of you other south Florida flyers like Dave W, Mr. Richardson, Mike B I will check in with Arcadia X06 tomorrow for logistics for food and fuel. I have a set and a half or tie downs (5) and I will load up my aux tank (6 gallons) with mid grade (premium if you ask) auto fuel for anyone that needs some. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Beauford T To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Looks like about 70 miles... shouldn't have to stop for fuel but twice on the way down... Count me in... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Gary, George, Other Florida Kolbs We have been rained out most of the winter. Gary A and I have discussed starting our own Flyin Saturday March 6th at Arcadia, FL. How about it anyone interested????? This is totally dependant on weather. We will check on Friday and give a go/no go. We can reschedule as necessary but lets get together. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Fly-in's Rick, Sounds like a plan to me.I'll confirm on Friday in case of any change. See you then! G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tue, Mar 2, 2010 11:59 am Subject: Re: Fly-in's Gary I don't see anything this Saturday. May be we should create one? How about Arcadia? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: NeilsenRM@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: Fly-in's Rick, Looks like a flyable Saturday may happen this week.Any events anywhere? G.Aman href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:40 PM PST US From: "lhaggerty" Subject: Kolb-List: 447 I can't get spark to my electronic ingnition plugs any suggestions before I spend big bucks hireing someone to look at it? Pete ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:08 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's I just seen where some are going to try and fly in Arcadia on the 6th. What time are they shooting for? I am about 60+ mi south east. There are member s of the Low & Slow Club that live up there and may help with fuel. P.S. Don't call me MR. I am retired and not a banker or lawyer! From: beauford173@verizon.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Looks like about 70 miles... shouldn't have to stop for fuel but twice on t he way down... Count me in... beauford FF-076 Brandon=2C FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Tuesday=2C March 02=2C 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in's Gary=2C George=2C Other Florida Kolbs We have been rained out most of the winter. Gary A and I have discussed sta rting our own Flyin Saturday March 6th at Arcadia=2C FL. How about it anyo ne interested????? This is totally dependant on weather. We will check on F riday and give a go/no go. We can reschedule as necessary but lets get toge ther. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tuesday=2C March 02=2C 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Fly-in's Rick=2C Sounds like a plan to me.I'll confirm on Friday in case of any change. See you then! G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Tue=2C Mar 2=2C 2010 11:59 am Subject: Re: Fly-in's Gary I don't see anything this Saturday. May be we should create one? How about Arcadia? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Tuesday=2C March 02=2C 2010 7:56 AM Subject: Fly-in's Rick=2C Looks like a flyable Saturday may happen this week.Any events anywhere? 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