---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/18/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:07 AM - Re: VG's............... (David Lucas) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: VG's............... (Richard Girard) 3. 05:03 AM - Flying the Kolb MkIIIC, addendum (Richard Girard) 4. 05:08 AM - Re: VG's............... (zeprep251@aol.com) 5. 06:34 AM - Tuesday evening flight video (cristalclear13) 6. 06:51 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (william sullivan) 7. 07:06 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (robert bean) 8. 01:35 PM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (Thom Riddle) 9. 01:36 PM - Re: VG's............... (ces308) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VG's............... From: "David Lucas" > What do you make of that? > They're just doing their job keeping the airflow attached longer. Comes into play in different phases of flight. The aircraft I fly, a Fokker 50 twin turbo prop, even has VG's installed inside the inlet duct to the oil cooler which apparently assists in maintaining the flow volume to the cooler by eliminating dead air eddies in the duct which otherwise would have restricted the flow. Great little gadgets ! David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290723#290723 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's............... From: Richard Girard Nick, Once you start looking for them they do seem to be everywhere, they'r e a great aerodynamic fix for local flow problems. Most likely at that location they help keep the airflow attached when the flaps are extended. Rick Girard On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Hello Kolb VG users, and enablers, > > > I flew in a brand new Boeing 737 -900 a couple weeks back. I had a seat > just behind the wing. The wing had the now standard invert droop tip on t he > end, But it also had eight VG=92s spacer out on the wing ahead of the fla ps. > What do you make of that? > > > All Ears, > > > Nick Cassara > > > Palmer, Alaska > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flying the Kolb MkIIIC, addendum From: Richard Girard There was a time I thought the wind only blew north and south here on the Great Plains but no longer. I don't think I've flown more than once or twice all winter when the wind was even close to coming down the runway. It has given me lots of opportunities to test Zulu Delta's ability to slip. One thing I've learned is that no matter the flap position, when you cross the controls her nose comes up sharply. I can almost understand when the wing is clean but you'd think with the strong nose down down moment when the flaps are lowered, it would cancel out, but it doesn't. Doesn't seem to make any difference whether left or right, either. A caution when using full flaps. There appears to be some blanking of the elevator which makes the aircraft more sensitive to local turblulence from buildings and trees while slipping with flaps, but especially so with full flaps. As a result I don't slip her to the deck anymore. Cross controlling to maintain alignment with the runway in minor crosswinds it is less noticeable, but get her all crossed up and hit the torn up air behind a hangar or such and you best be on top of pitch control. There was one approach in particular when I swear that just for a moment it felt like she was going right over on her back. Got my attention PDQ. In conclusion, if you're new to the aircraft, practice slipping at altitude before you need to use it on final 'cause this ain't your daddy's Cessna. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's............... From: zeprep251@aol.com List, I finally had the chance to fly a MK3C without VG's after flying mine w/VG 's for 2 years.I ain't tak'en em off. G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 520 hrs -----Original Message----- From: Richard Girard Sent: Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's............... Nick, Once you start looking for them they do seem to be everywhere, they' re a great aerodynamic fix for local flow problems. Most likely at that lo cation they help keep the airflow attached when the flaps are extended. Rick Girard On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Nick Cassara wrote : Hello Kolb VG users, and enablers, I flew in a brand new Boeing 737 -900 a couple weeks back. Ihad a seat jus t behind the wing. The wing had the now standard invert droop tipon the en d, But it also had eight VG=99s spacer out on the wing ahead ofthe flaps. What do you make of that? All Ears, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Tuesday evening flight video From: "cristalclear13" I love the longer daylight. Now I have time to go for a quick flight after work on a nice evening, as it was Tuesday. Don't have big mountains or ocean views to fly over, but have a view of the train yard and a forest fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnNCubZA8Y :D -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290743#290743 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:36 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tuesday evening flight video Thanks, Cristal.- Keep them coming. - do not archive ------------------------- ------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tuesday evening flight video From: robert bean Very nice. A traffic jam in Waycross? BB do not archive On 18, Mar 2010, at 8:32 AM, cristalclear13 wrote: > > I love the longer daylight. Now I have time to go for a quick flight after work on a nice evening, as it was Tuesday. > > Don't have big mountains or ocean views to fly over, but have a view of the train yard and a forest fire. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnNCubZA8Y > > :D > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290743#290743 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tuesday evening flight video From: "Thom Riddle" Thanks for the excellent video, Cristal. Until seeing this video it had not register in my brain that your MkII has a duckbillish nose. Looks good and you had a smooth as silk landing. You sure have an abundance of runways there and not much wind to make a difference. Have you ever flown through a forest fire smoke plume? I did it once and it was pretty much what you would expect. A thermal with an aroma. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory. - Friedrich Engels Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290776#290776 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VG's............... From: "ces308" I'm with you Gary ! One of the best things I did to the airplane ! I have the Air Wave VG's on mine...94 on the wing and 64 on the tail. chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 105.4 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290777#290777 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.