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Fri 03/19/10


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 02:03 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (cristalclear13)
     2. 02:07 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (cristalclear13)
     3. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Tuesday evening flight video (pj.ladd)
     4. 04:51 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (Thom Riddle)
     5. 04:54 AM - Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money (pj.ladd)
     6. 06:29 AM - Xtra wing incidence (Vic)
     7. 07:18 AM - Re: Xtra wing incidence (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     8. 07:46 AM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
     9. 08:07 AM - Re: Xtra wing incidence (Mike Welch)
    10. 09:12 AM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Beauford T)
    11. 12:52 PM - another picture (b young)
    12. 02:13 PM - FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up (Jack B. Hart)
    13. 03:24 PM - Re: another picture (TheWanderingWench)
    14. 03:36 PM - Re: another picture (russ kinne)
    15. 05:19 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Richard Pike)
    16. 05:49 PM - Re: Kolb List- another picture (william sullivan)
    17. 05:53 PM - Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up (Herb)
    18. 06:22 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (zeprep251@AOL.COM)
    19. 07:23 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Sky Biker Richardson)
    20. 09:48 PM - really bad flick (robert bean)
    21. 10:29 PM - Re: really bad flick (Richard Girard)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:03:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tuesday evening flight video
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    Thanks all! Yes, her nosecone is quick duckish! [Laughing] We are having cake and ice cream at Waycross airport tomorrow afternoon 1-4pm ET if anyone is close enough to stop by please do! -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290850#290850


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    Time: 02:07:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tuesday evening flight video
    From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@gmail.com>
    typing this at 5am after having woke up at 2:30....meant to type "quite" not "quick" :D I corrected it, but it could be a sign I should not drive an hour and half to work today...oh well, here I go. Wish they had a landing strip in our parking lot...too many lightpoles and cars though. :) -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290851#290851


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    Time: 04:19:08 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Tuesday evening flight video
    Have you ever flown through a forest fire smoke plume? I did it once and it was pretty much what you would expect. A thermal with an aroma.>> Hi Thom, not quite a forest fire but I did get into the thick smoke from a stubble burn off while flying my glider many years ago. My Club was doing a 300k triangle on a super day but I was lagging when I arrived at the first turn point. On track and about 30 miles away I saw the glint of sun on turning wings marking a thermal at a gliding club I knew. I had quite a hot ship, a 19 mtre span Jantar, so I decided to go for the distant thermal. I pulled the flap lever which distorted the trailing edge so that it was into negative reflex, stuffed the nose down and romped off at a shade short of 100 knots. I passed the rest of the fleet at a run, trading height for speed and feeling pretty pleased with myself. Pride comes before a fall, I arrived at my target to find the the thermal had died. However I could see the smoke from a stubble fire a few miles away. I flew to it sure that the fire would kick off a thermal. There was not a trace of lift. Not a tickle. I worked the smoke frantically until finally I had lost so much height that I had to land, which I did in the field next to the fire. Not a particularly good landing because as usual I had left the decision too late, but safely down and breathing a sigh of relief I noticed 2 men working frantically to stop the fire breaking through the hedge between their field and the field I had landed in. They failed and the fire swept through the gap. There was me with several thousand pounds worth of plasticery about to be melted into a shapeless nob of ex flying machine. I leaped out and yelled and the 2 men gave up their hopeless fight against the fire and the three of us grabbed the plane and hurriedly pushed it through a gate and across a road. There I could relax and wait for my trailer team to turn up meanwhile grinding my teeth as the rest of the competitors floated serenely over my head. You win some and.... cheers Pat


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    Time: 04:51:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tuesday evening flight video
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    I'm glad my Slingshot has an engine, Pat. Glider/sailplane flying is too much excitement for me, though I admire those who find it fun. With my stubby wings, if I lose power I don't have to worry about looking for a good landing place because it is pretty much right below me, thermals or no. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory. - Friedrich Engels Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290868#290868


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    Time: 04:54:38 AM PST US
    From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money
    Always wondered about penny-farthing braking, but assumed you'd feel you were nosediving & let up on the pedal.>> Hi Russ, you had to be pretty quick I think. You were sitting only just behind the tipping point and I would have thought that the problems with getting that big wheel tracking straight meant that braking was uneven with a `grab and let go` motion. The pedals of course were direct drive to the axle of the main wheel so if you tried to backpedal the inertia would probably lift you off the saddle. I have a nephew who rides these old bikes, boneshakers and `penny farthings`. I must ask him. I think I will pass on the Bermuda run thanks very much although I did get to helm a bl--y great catamaran in the Bay of Islands and a square rigged threemaster, in Sydney. A nice run from the Heads back towards the Sydney Bridge. Nice flight from Kerikeri to Cape Rienga in a small Australian built 8 seater. Flew up 90 mile beach at 500feet. very nice. Pilot wouldn`t let me have a go though. Shame. Wendy and I hired a couple of Segways in Pahia. The guy running the place was very excited when he found out I old I was. `Never had an octegenarian hire one before` he said. Apparently I beat the previous oldest by ten years so they want me to send a photo for advertising purposes. Fame at last. Getting my plane rady for its C of A yesterday I was kneeling for a time putting the battery in. I stood and twisted round for something and my left knee went out. A bit painful but after seeing the osteopath I am now limping around with a stick. No C of A next week so another week before |I can get back into the air. Damn.! Cheers Pat


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    Time: 06:29:38 AM PST US
    From: "Vic" <vicsv@myfairpoint.net>
    Subject: Xtra wing incidence
    All, Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering leading edge), for lower stall? If so, do you have any before and after numbers/ Vic 912 Xtra


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    Time: 07:18:28 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Xtra wing incidence
    Vic/All I heard that Kolb recommends that the leading edge be lowered on MKIII C & X when you install the longer gear legs. I wasn't exactly sure why. Figured it was to retain Homer's design philosophy of not being able to take off till you had good flying speed. I talked to Barnaby Wilifan the year they introduced the Xtra (he did the Xtra design). He seemed to think the nose was flying a bit low. Lowering the leading edge would raise the nose in flight. It might be a bit faster? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic To: Kolb list Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence All, Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering leading edge), for lower stall? If so, do you have any before and after numbers/ Vic 912 Xtra


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    Time: 07:46:45 AM PST US
    From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
    Gary/All Florida Kolbs The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing changes I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots, Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M.-4 P.M. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru


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    Time: 08:07:17 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Xtra wing incidence
    Vic=2C I have done extensive research on this subject=2C since I have not only a dded the taller steel gear legs=2C I've also converted my airplane from the MkIII C to be a MkIII X. Two years ago=2C I talked to Brian (@TNK)=2C and said that when the very first Xtra was test flown=2C the wedge-shaped nosecone created a significan t "nose down" tendency. To alleviate this unfavorable flight characteristi c=2C the lowered the leading edge of the mounting point if the horizontal s tabilizer. This new hor. stabilizer incidence seemed to work well=2C provi ding the Xtra retained the shorter=2C aluminum landing gear. However=2C if you change the Xtra's landing gear to the longer=2C steel g ear legs=2C the main wing's incidence becomes way too steep to allow for pr oper take-off and landing techniques=2C so the next modification requires t he front of the wing to be lowered. This process allows for the main wing to cut through the air (in the T/O & landing mode) at a more desirable inci dence angle. If a person has an Xtra=2C and they have installed the steel gear legs=2C the digital angles of incidence are to be the following=3B (I just did all this about three weeks ago!!) A) First=2C level the motor mount=2C both left/right & forward/back direct ions. Check main wing crosstube to verify cage is level side to side. B) Boom tube SHOULD be -6.1 degrees (mine was within .05 degrees) C) Now=2C set the front mount for the hor. stabilizer to make the hor. sta bilizer be -4.8 degrees D) Move on to the main wings.....the factory says the incidence is to be 3 .4 degrees=2C and there is to be 1.6 degrees dihedral. It is important to point out you absolutely MUST use a digital level. A bubble level will NOT be as accurate in matching one wing to the opposite w ing. Since I already had my wings and tailfeathers mounted a long time ago (as a MkIIIC)=2C I already have my wing struts made. In my case=2C rather tha n cut down the length of the struts=2C to give the stated 1.6 deg dihedral =2C I left them alone! This essentially had the effect of giving me 2.6 de g dihedral=2C rather then 1.6 deg. (from what I have been told=2C this is not a bad thing=2C having a little bit more dihedral=2C that is) In resetting my main wing's incidence angles=2C the rear mount has no adj ustment=2C the unchanged strut has no adjustment=2C so if you lower the lea ding edge=2C the wingtip rises as the incidence is reduced. Just a fact... .. After it was all said and done=2C it was NO easy feat=2C either=2C my ang les turned out to be EXACT!!! It was a LOT of work!! I should have taken care of this step long before I finished the Poly Fiber!! Oops. As far as the old incidences go=2C I'm sure I have them in a spreadsheet. I can send them to you if you want. Hope this is a little help to you. Mike Welch MkIII CX From: vicsv@myfairpoint.net Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence All=2C Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering le ading edge)=2C for lower stall? If so=2C do you have any before and after numbers/ Vic 912 Xtra _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1


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    Time: 09:12:59 AM PST US
    From: "Beauford T" <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
    Rick and other Florida folks: Just got off the phone with Brother Alexander... He allows that he intends to go tomorrow... as will I, if nothing falls off my machine this afternoon... George said that there were several other airplanes from the Venice area and one from Waumauma likely to go as well... Wauchula could be a right busy place tomorrow... The Blues are flying here at the MacDill AFB Airfest tomorrow.... mebbe we could get them to divert for 3 minutes and make a low pass at Wauchula just to agitate the UL traffic pattern... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive NOTE : If you forward this e-mail, please remove my address from it before you send it . I promise to do the same for you. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in Gary/All Florida Kolbs The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing changes I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots, Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M.-4 P.M. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 12:52:46 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: another picture
    One more picture from my last flight Do not archive Boyd Young MkIII


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    Time: 02:13:16 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up
    FireFlyer's, Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit. I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 03:24:08 PM PST US
    From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: another picture
    Boyd - The two pics you sent are stupendous. Thanks for sharing them on the list. Arty TrostSandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm =0A =0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" =0A Helen Keller =0A =0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Fri, 3/19/10, b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote: From: b young <by0ung@brigham.net> Subject: Kolb-List: another picture =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOne more picture from my last flight =0A=0A-Do not archive =0A=0A-Boyd Young =0A=0A-MkIII =0A=0A - =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 03:36:14 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: another picture
    Boyd, your pic is awesome. And excellent. And inspiring. That's why lots of us fly -- and go beyond the airport boundaries. Thanx Russ K do not archive. On Mar 19, 2010, at 3:50 PM, b young wrote: > One more picture from my last flight > Do not archive > Boyd Young > MkIII > > <image001.jpg>


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    Time: 05:19:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    You guys have fun. Beauford - say hello to George for me. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290977#290977


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    Time: 05:49:30 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb List- another picture
    - Boyd- great photos, thanks.- We have nothing like that in New England .- Keep sending. - - do not archive - ------------------------- ------------------------- - Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- - Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- - FS 447


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    Time: 05:53:20 PM PST US
    From: Herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up
    Jack I went through something like that with IVO blades...I have two sets of three blades...One set was built for 503's and 582's. I bought them with an in air electrically adjustable hub. The other set is standard UL blades ,, made for 447 and below.. Naturally I thought they were the same...A call to Ivo cleared the confusion up for me... Herb At 05:11 PM 3/19/2010, you wrote: > >FireFlyer's, > >Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I >asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower >pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced >pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship >next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit. > >I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems. > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Winchester, IN


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    Time: 06:22:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
    From: zeprep251@AOL.COM
    Rick, Plan to leave Blackwater about 9:00 A.M.for KCHN G.Aman MK3C Jabiru -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in Gary/All Florida Kolbs The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing change s I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots, Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M .-4 P.M. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========


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    Time: 07:23:06 PM PST US
    From: Sky Biker Richardson <smlplanet@msn.com>
    Subject: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
    Gary I wish I was flying up to Wachula also. I am replacing the windshield in mine being it broke returning from Arcadia. I liked your center gap seal to the windshield that I made a mold and laying up the fiber glass now. No w that the mold has been pulled I can replace the windshield and a couple o ther mod's I'll see you all soon again. I plan to fly up to Sun-Fun....Ross


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    Time: 09:48:03 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: really bad flick
    Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam turned on until after the first departure. Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like I'm in a crab. I'll take it down after a few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw BB


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    Time: 10:29:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: really bad flick
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Bob, I don't agree with your assessment. mediocre, maybe, but not bad. And sitting here in the middle of the night, listening to the wind howl, waiting on a snow storm to usher in springtime, it makes me think of how much I enjoy flying my Kolb and how much I'm going to enjoy flying it when the weather gets back to being in accord with the season. That alone makes it good. I'd leave it up. Rick Girard PS That Suzuki sure is nice and quiet On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:47 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam > turned on until after the first departure. > Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like > I'm in a crab. I'll take it down after a > few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw > > BB > >




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