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1. 02:03 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (cristalclear13)
2. 02:07 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (cristalclear13)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Tuesday evening flight video (pj.ladd)
4. 04:51 AM - Re: Tuesday evening flight video (Thom Riddle)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money (pj.ladd)
6. 06:29 AM - Xtra wing incidence (Vic)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Xtra wing incidence (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
8. 07:46 AM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 08:07 AM - Re: Xtra wing incidence (Mike Welch)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Beauford T)
11. 12:52 PM - another picture (b young)
12. 02:13 PM - FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up (Jack B. Hart)
13. 03:24 PM - Re: another picture (TheWanderingWench)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: another picture (russ kinne)
15. 05:19 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Richard Pike)
16. 05:49 PM - Re: Kolb List- another picture (william sullivan)
17. 05:53 PM - Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up (Herb)
18. 06:22 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (zeprep251@AOL.COM)
19. 07:23 PM - Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in (Sky Biker Richardson)
20. 09:48 PM - really bad flick (robert bean)
21. 10:29 PM - Re: really bad flick (Richard Girard)
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Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
Thanks all! Yes, her nosecone is quick duckish! [Laughing]
We are having cake and ice cream at Waycross airport tomorrow afternoon 1-4pm ET
if anyone is close enough to stop by please do!
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
typing this at 5am after having woke up at 2:30....meant to type "quite" not "quick"
:D I corrected it, but it could be a sign I should not drive an hour and
half to work today...oh well, here I go. Wish they had a landing strip in our
parking lot...too many lightpoles and cars though. :)
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
Have you ever flown through a forest fire smoke plume? I did it once and it
was pretty much what you would expect. A thermal with an aroma.>>
Hi Thom,
not quite a forest fire but I did get into the thick smoke from a stubble
burn off while flying my glider many years ago. My Club was doing a 300k
triangle on a super day but I was lagging when I arrived at the first turn
point. On track and about 30 miles away I saw the glint of sun on turning
wings marking a thermal at a gliding club I knew.
I had quite a hot ship, a 19 mtre span Jantar, so I decided to go for the
distant thermal. I pulled the flap lever which distorted the trailing edge
so that it was into negative reflex, stuffed the nose down and romped off at
a shade short of 100 knots. I passed the rest of the fleet at a run,
trading height for speed and feeling pretty pleased with myself.
Pride comes before a fall, I arrived at my target to find the the thermal
had died. However I could see the smoke from a stubble fire a few miles
away. I flew to it sure that the fire would kick off a thermal. There was
not a trace of lift. Not a tickle. I worked the smoke frantically until
finally I had lost so much height that I had to land, which I did in the
field next to the fire.
Not a particularly good landing because as usual I had left the decision too
late, but safely down and breathing a sigh of relief I noticed 2 men working
frantically to stop the fire breaking through the hedge between their field
and the field I had landed in. They failed and the fire swept through the
gap. There was me with several thousand pounds worth of plasticery about to
be melted into a shapeless nob of ex flying machine.
I leaped out and yelled and the 2 men gave up their hopeless fight against
the fire and the three of us grabbed the plane and hurriedly pushed it
through a gate and across a road.
There I could relax and wait for my trailer team to turn up meanwhile
grinding my teeth as the rest of the competitors floated serenely over my
head.
You win some and....
cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
I'm glad my Slingshot has an engine, Pat. Glider/sailplane flying is too much excitement
for me, though I admire those who find it fun. With my stubby wings,
if I lose power I don't have to worry about looking for a good landing place
because it is pretty much right below me, thermals or no.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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Subject: | Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money |
Always wondered about penny-farthing braking, but assumed you'd feel
you were nosediving & let up on the pedal.>>
Hi Russ,
you had to be pretty quick I think. You were sitting only just behind the
tipping point and I would have thought that the problems with getting that
big wheel tracking straight meant that braking was uneven with a `grab and
let go` motion.
The pedals of course were direct drive to the axle of the main wheel so if
you tried to backpedal the inertia would probably lift you off the saddle.
I have a nephew who rides these old bikes, boneshakers and `penny
farthings`. I must ask him.
I think I will pass on the Bermuda run thanks very much although I did get
to helm a bl--y great catamaran in the Bay of Islands and a square rigged
threemaster, in Sydney. A nice run from the Heads back towards the Sydney
Bridge.
Nice flight from Kerikeri to Cape Rienga in a small Australian built 8
seater. Flew up 90 mile beach at 500feet. very nice. Pilot wouldn`t let me
have a go though. Shame.
Wendy and I hired a couple of Segways in Pahia. The guy running the place
was very excited when he found out I old I was. `Never had an octegenarian
hire one before` he said. Apparently I beat the previous oldest by ten years
so they want me to send a photo for advertising purposes. Fame at last.
Getting my plane rady for its C of A yesterday I was kneeling for a time
putting the battery in. I stood and twisted round for something and my left
knee went out. A bit painful but after seeing the osteopath I am now limping
around with a stick. No C of A next week so another week before |I can get
back into the air. Damn.!
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Xtra wing incidence |
All,
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering
leading edge),
for lower stall?
If so, do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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Subject: | Re: Xtra wing incidence |
Vic/All
I heard that Kolb recommends that the leading edge be lowered on MKIII C
& X when you install the longer gear legs. I wasn't exactly sure why.
Figured it was to retain Homer's design philosophy of not being able to
take off till you had good flying speed.
I talked to Barnaby Wilifan the year they introduced the Xtra (he did
the Xtra design). He seemed to think the nose was flying a bit low.
Lowering the leading edge would raise the nose in flight. It might be a
bit faster?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: Vic
To: Kolb list
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
All,
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing
(lowering leading edge),
for lower stall?
If so, do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Gary/All Florida Kolbs
The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing
changes I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout
is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at
Wachula,10A.M.-4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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Subject: | Xtra wing incidence |
Vic=2C
I have done extensive research on this subject=2C since I have not only a
dded the taller steel gear legs=2C I've also converted my airplane from the
MkIII C to be a MkIII X.
Two years ago=2C I talked to Brian (@TNK)=2C and said that when the very
first Xtra was test flown=2C the wedge-shaped nosecone created a significan
t "nose down" tendency. To alleviate this unfavorable flight characteristi
c=2C the lowered the leading edge of the mounting point if the horizontal s
tabilizer. This new hor. stabilizer incidence seemed to work well=2C provi
ding the Xtra retained the shorter=2C aluminum landing gear.
However=2C if you change the Xtra's landing gear to the longer=2C steel g
ear legs=2C the main wing's incidence becomes way too steep to allow for pr
oper take-off and landing techniques=2C so the next modification requires t
he front of the wing to be lowered. This process allows for the main wing
to cut through the air (in the T/O & landing mode) at a more desirable inci
dence angle.
If a person has an Xtra=2C and they have installed the steel gear legs=2C
the digital angles of incidence are to be the following=3B (I just did
all this about three weeks ago!!)
A) First=2C level the motor mount=2C both left/right & forward/back direct
ions. Check main wing crosstube to verify cage is level side to side.
B) Boom tube SHOULD be -6.1 degrees (mine was within .05 degrees)
C) Now=2C set the front mount for the hor. stabilizer to make the hor. sta
bilizer be -4.8 degrees
D) Move on to the main wings.....the factory says the incidence is to be 3
.4 degrees=2C and there is to be 1.6 degrees dihedral.
It is important to point out you absolutely MUST use a digital level. A
bubble level will NOT be as accurate in matching one wing to the opposite w
ing.
Since I already had my wings and tailfeathers mounted a long time ago (as
a MkIIIC)=2C I already have my wing struts made. In my case=2C rather tha
n cut down the length of the struts=2C to give the stated 1.6 deg dihedral
=2C I left them alone! This essentially had the effect of giving me 2.6 de
g dihedral=2C rather then 1.6 deg. (from what I have been told=2C this is
not a bad thing=2C having a little bit more dihedral=2C that is)
In resetting my main wing's incidence angles=2C the rear mount has no adj
ustment=2C the unchanged strut has no adjustment=2C so if you lower the lea
ding edge=2C the wingtip rises as the incidence is reduced. Just a fact...
..
After it was all said and done=2C it was NO easy feat=2C either=2C my ang
les turned out to be EXACT!!! It was a LOT of work!! I should have taken
care of this step long before I finished the Poly Fiber!! Oops.
As far as the old incidences go=2C I'm sure I have them in a spreadsheet.
I can send them to you if you want.
Hope this is a little help to you.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
From: vicsv@myfairpoint.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
All=2C
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering le
ading edge)=2C
for lower stall?
If so=2C do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Rick and other Florida folks:
Just got off the phone with Brother Alexander... He allows that he
intends to go tomorrow...
as will I, if nothing falls off my machine this afternoon... George
said that there were
several other airplanes from the Venice area and one from Waumauma
likely to go as well...
Wauchula could be a right busy place tomorrow...
The Blues are flying here at the MacDill AFB Airfest tomorrow....
mebbe we could get them
to divert for 3 minutes and make a low pass at Wauchula just to
agitate the UL traffic pattern...
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
Gary/All Florida Kolbs
The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing
changes I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and
cookout is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at
Wachula,10A.M.-4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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One more picture from my last flight
Do not archive
Boyd Young
MkIII
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Subject: | FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up |
FireFlyer's,
Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I
asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower
pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced
pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship
next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit.
I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: another picture |
Boyd -
The two pics you sent are stupendous. Thanks for sharing them on the list.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
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=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
From: b young <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: another picture
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOne more picture from my last
flight =0A=0A-Do not archive =0A=0A-Boyd Young =0A=0A-MkIII =0A=0A
- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: another picture |
Boyd, your pic is awesome. And excellent. And inspiring.
That's why lots of us fly -- and go beyond the airport boundaries.
Thanx
Russ K
do not archive.
On Mar 19, 2010, at 3:50 PM, b young wrote:
> One more picture from my last flight
> Do not archive
> Boyd Young
> MkIII
>
> <image001.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
You guys have fun. Beauford - say hello to George for me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Kolb List- another picture |
- Boyd- great photos, thanks.- We have nothing like that in New England
.- Keep sending.
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do not archive
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- Bill Sullivan
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- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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- FS 447
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Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up |
Jack
I went through something like that with IVO blades...I have two
sets of three blades...One set was built for 503's and 582's. I
bought them with an in air electrically adjustable hub. The other
set is standard UL blades ,, made for 447 and below.. Naturally I
thought they were the same...A call to Ivo cleared the confusion up
for me... Herb
At 05:11 PM 3/19/2010, you wrote:
>
>FireFlyer's,
>
>Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I
>asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower
>pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced
>pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship
>next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit.
>
>I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Rick,
Plan to leave Blackwater about 9:00 A.M.for KCHN
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
Gary/All Florida Kolbs
The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing change
s I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is
a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M
.-4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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Subject: | Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Gary I wish I was flying up to Wachula also. I am replacing the windshield
in mine being it broke returning from Arcadia. I liked your center gap seal
to the windshield that I made a mold and laying up the fiber glass now. No
w that the mold has been pulled I can replace the windshield and a couple o
ther mod's I'll see you all soon again. I plan to fly up to Sun-Fun....Ross
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Subject: | really bad flick |
Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam turned
on until after the first departure.
Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like I'm
in a crab. I'll take it down after a
few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw
BB
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Subject: | Re: really bad flick |
Bob, I don't agree with your assessment. mediocre, maybe, but not bad. And
sitting here in the middle of the night, listening to the wind howl, waiting
on a snow storm to usher in springtime, it makes me think of how much I
enjoy flying my Kolb and how much I'm going to enjoy flying it when the
weather gets back to being in accord with the season. That alone makes it
good. I'd leave it up.
Rick Girard
PS That Suzuki sure is nice and quiet
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:47 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam
> turned on until after the first departure.
> Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like
> I'm in a crab. I'll take it down after a
> few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw
>
> BB
>
>
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