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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Pantene can (Eric Marenyi)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: Reinforcing the tip rib (Thom Riddle)
3. 05:32 PM - pull start (lhaggerty)
4. 06:00 PM - Re: pull start (Dana Hague)
5. 06:43 PM - Re: pull start (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
6. 07:34 PM - Re: pull start (Larry Cottrell)
7. 07:47 PM - Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC (John T. Schmidt)
8. 08:20 PM - Re: Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC (Mike Welch)
9. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:07 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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I saw the pictures but I am wondering why you need to put it in something?
Is it not possible to directly mount the strobe, which makes it necessary?
It seems redundant to me. I am not asking as if you are wrong, I am trying
to learn.
Eric Marenyi
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| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
Richard wrote:
....My thinking is (and I reserve the right to be wrong) that the spar can absorb
WAY more abuse than the rest of the wing without damage....
When I flipped my early FS one wing was undamaged but the tip of the other was
damaged a bit worse than what you showed in the photos with the deformed 5/16"
tubes and separation from the main spar end plate. On mine, those tubes were
bent a good bit more as the bow tip tube was crumpled and some of the loads were
transfered to the end of the main spar resulting in a small bit of the tip
of the spar bending inwards. No cracks or anything like that and only the end
of the spar tube was affected an only a little. I replaced the end rib and all
the tip tubes and angles, a couple false ribs and spliced in about 18" of new
leading edge tube after pounding out the slight indention in the tip of the main
spar.
My point is that the loads did transmit to the main spar with very minor damage
to it and only on the very tip which was easy enough to repair. As someone said,
crumpling metal absorbs energy before it gets to our fragile flesh and blood
bodies and THAT is important for surviving crashes.
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I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
Observations/recommendations please. Pete
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At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
>I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
>Observations/recommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit and
save the starter weight?
-Dana
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I added an electric Starter to my 447 on My Old Firestar and it was instal
led behind the Pull starter and I was able to install my Manual starter ba
ck over the top of it even though I never had to use the manual starter
I thought it was a nice back up to have on board I am the kind of guy th
at likes to have all the bells and whistles on my stuff with-in reason
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447. Observations/r
ecommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit and
save the starter weight?
-Dana
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I also added the same kind of starter to my 447, since I was not able to
start my engine from the pilots seat. A word of warning however if any
of the bolts come loose it will crack portions of the engine case with
the normal wear and tear of the vibrations caused when the motor is
running. I got that type of starter because I was worried that if the
battery went dead I would need to be able to start it with the pull
rope. Knowing what I do now, Hand propping will work as well, I would
not have done that. Go for it, its only money!
Larry C
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From: Ellery Batchelder Jr
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
I added an electric Starter to my 447 on My Old Firestar and it was
installed behind the Pull starter and I was able to install my Manual
starter back over the top of it even though I never had to use the
manual starter I thought it was a nice back up to have on board I am
the kind of guy that likes to have all the bells and whistles on my
stuff with-in reason
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
Observations/recommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit
and save the starter weight?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
Gentlemen: I am sadden to report the following it is from todays news from JZI
Charleston SC
The Aircraft was a Mark III Xtra and John was a member of the local EAA Chapter
and I last spoke with him a month ago, I will send more info when I get some,
may he rest in peace.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
JOHNS ISLAND, SC (WCSC) - Rescue crews from Charleston city and Charleston County
responded to a small plane crash on Johns Island late Thursday morning.
Charleston Aviation Authority spokesperson Becky Beaman said the FAA has arrived
on scene and the body has been removed from the crash site.
The Charleston County Coroner's office has not identified the pilot yet, but a
spokesperson with the FAA identified the pilot as 70-year-old John Ratcliffe of
Johns Island.
The Federal Aviation Administration says the kit-built fixed wing single-engine
Kolb Mark II Xtra was reported down around noon Thursday at the Charleston Executive
Airport on Johns Island, southwest of downtown Charleston.
Rescue personnel are reporting that the plane was an ultralight. It reportedly
took off from the Executive Airport and crashed into the marsh shortly after.
The cause of this crash now under investigation.
Beaman said the airport reopened at 5:30 p.m. Thursday
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| Subject: | Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
Now this truly saddens me. John Ratcliffe and I had extensive off-list cor
responces. I am at a loss of words=2C and wish the best for his family!
It is always a horrible loss when this happens to a member of our little gr
oup. John will be missed!
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III xtra down=2C one fatality=2C JZI Johns Is=2C
SC
> From: adlerflug1@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu=2C 1 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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> Gentlemen: I am sadden to report the following it is from todays news fro
m JZI Charleston SC
> The Aircraft was a Mark III Xtra and John was a member of the local EAA C
hapter and I last spoke with him a month ago=2C I will send more info when
I get some=2C may he rest in peace.
>
> Sincerely=2C
> John T. Schmidt=2C CFI
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> JOHNS ISLAND=2C SC (WCSC) - Rescue crews from Charleston city and Charles
ton County responded to a small plane crash on Johns Island late Thursday m
orning.
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> Charleston Aviation Authority spokesperson Becky Beaman said the FAA has
arrived on scene and the body has been removed from the crash site.
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> The Charleston County Coroner's office has not identified the pilot yet
=2C but a spokesperson with the FAA identified the pilot as 70-year-old Joh
n Ratcliffe of Johns Island.
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> The Federal Aviation Administration says the kit-built fixed wing single-
engine Kolb Mark II Xtra was reported down around noon Thursday at the Char
leston Executive Airport on Johns Island=2C southwest of downtown Charlesto
n.
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> Rescue personnel are reporting that the plane was an ultralight. It repor
tedly took off from the Executive Airport and crashed into the marsh shortl
y after.
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> The cause of this crash now under investigation.
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> Beaman said the airport reopened at 5:30 p.m. Thursday
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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