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1. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard)
2. 05:47 AM - FW: Hauck's Old Web Page (Beauford Tuton)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (william sullivan)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (william sullivan)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Thom Riddle)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Mike Welch)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Ducati SS)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (John Hauck)
10. 07:23 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (chris davis)
13. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard)
14. 12:03 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Kirkds)
15. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck)
16. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (John Hauck)
17. 02:39 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 05/06/10 (Bob Green)
18. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Dana Hague)
19. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck)
20. 03:24 PM - Fw: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck)
21. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Dana Hague)
22. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne)
23. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Firestar (russ kinne)
24. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne)
25. 04:48 PM - Fw: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne)
26. 04:48 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Beauford Tuton)
27. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard)
28. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (chris davis)
29. 08:19 PM - Kolb Related Web Sites (John Hauck)
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months
of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up
3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most wanted auto
pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple
wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford
to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going
somewhere instead of actual time in the air.
So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night.
Jerry
SE Missouri
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Subject: | Hauck's Old Web Page |
Brother John:
Some highly enjoyable reading... Thanks for putting it up on the List...
After this inspiration=2C hell=2C I might even plan an EIGHTY mile XC in th
e Kleenex Kolb...
...will need to lay-in some MRE's and stash some gas along the route first.
..
beauford
FF-076
Brandon=2C FL
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> For those that have not seen this before=2C and may be interested in cros
s
> country flights in Kolb aircraft=2C my Son=2C Mike=2C has initially uploa
ded this
> old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg
to
> Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay=2C Alaska.
> >
>>
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
- Jerry- Congratulations.- Details on the plane?
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do not archive
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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---------------------original 5 r
ib Firestar, 447
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
- Beauford:- MRE's- Stay away from the tuna casserole.
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do not archive
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
Jerry,
That sounds familiar.
At the airport I just moved from, there is a very old flying club that currently
owns 4 airplanes, a Cherokee 140, an Archer, a C172 and a Cherokee Six. Most
stay fairly busy during the summer except for the Cherokee Six which is for sale
for that reason. Over the last few years a couple guys proposed over and over
that they replace one of the gas guzzlers with a used LSA but the "management"
won't hear of it. And yet they want to sell the Six because "nobody can afford
to fly it".
For several years (before the big fuel cost increase a couple years ago) they had
a waiting list for membership. Now they have several openings but are primarily
looking for student pilots who tend to fly more than already certificated
pilots.
In this part of the world there seems to be a mindset among existing pilots adamantly
against LSA for reasons beyond my ability to understand. And yet, at this
very same airport there is an active flight school with two C172s and a Navigator
600 (SLSA from Poland). Guess which airplane gets the most use by student
pilots? You guessed it, the SLSA. But the flying club remains deaf, dumb and
blind.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently
to reason incorrectly.
- Michel de Montaigne
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
Jerry=2C
What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton=2C just slightly south of
Lake of the Ozarks.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> From: flypoker@windstream.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
> Date: Fri=2C 7 May 2010 07:33:20 -0500
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> At my local airport=2C they/we are trying to start a flying club. After m
onths
> of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up
> 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy=2C most wanted
auto
> pilot=2C min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple
> wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually affo
rd
> to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were goi
ng
> somewhere instead of actual time in the air.
>
> So I took my investment and bought a Firestar=2C just got it home last ni
ght.
>
> Jerry
> SE Missouri
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
I used to have a C 150 that I kept tied down at a local airport. At times I would
stop to talk to a teacher who hangered his plane at the same airport. This
teacher also did light contracting work summers. He made two comments that seem
to be a national trend with young people. The first was that he had given up
trying to hire students as they would only show up a for day or two. The second
was that he has taken more kids for rides in his Skipper than he could number.
When the ride was over the kids would be all excited and ask what they needed
to do to become pilots. When he outlined the process that would be the end
of it.
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
I am near Poplar Bluff. I have 1200' strip at home.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
Jerry,
What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south
of Lake of the Ozarks.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> From: flypoker@windstream.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:33:20 -0500
>
<flypoker@windstream.net>
>
> At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club.
After months
> of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to
put up
> 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most
wanted auto
> pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a
couple
> wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually
afford
> to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they
were going
> somewhere instead of actual time in the air.
>
> So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last
night.
>
> Jerry
> SE Missouri >
>
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of
Lake of the Ozarks.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
Mike W/Gang:
For the past 4 years, returning from the Rock House, Oregon, I have spent
the last night out at Neosho Airport, MO, 119 miles SW of Camdenton. In
fact, last year I spent two nights at Neosho because of weather.
A great little airport and manager.
There is another good airport 23 miles south of Camdenton, at Lebanon. I
spent the night there on the way to Alaska in 2001. They have a daily
covered dish lunch each day. Let me sleep in the FBO.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
Some highly enjoyable reading... Thanks for putting it up on the List...
After this inspiration, hell, I might even plan an EIGHTY mile XC in the
Kleenex Kolb...
...will need to lay-in some MRE's and stash some gas along the route
first...
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
Beauford T/Gang:
Glad you enjoyed the article.
How many MRE's do you think it will take to make an 80 mile cross country?
I need to find some fresh ones. Do you know if the Commissary still sells
them?
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, AL
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
I bet some of those close
to you think you are a bad boy. Keep it up . You serve as a inspiration to
the young uns considering taking up our sport .
Downunder
MK111c
Fair winds to all . Regards Tony
Thanks, Tony:
My family tried to talk me out of every Alaska flight, but knew what the
outcome was going to be.
At 71, they are not real excited about me making the annual flight West, but
realize I will continue to do them as long as they continue to be fun. When
the fun flying is gone, I'll find another way to get out West.
Yes, we have a good little airplane, one of the reasons I chose to make my
long flights in a Kolb. Will never forget the guy at an airport somewhere
in South Carolina, where I landed to get fuel. This was during the 1994
flight around the country, and I had about three days of flying left before
I got back to Alabama. I taxied up to the gas pump and got out. He came up
to the airplane and asked where I was from. I told him Alabama. He said,
"You flew that thing all the way from there?" My reply was yes, I had flown
it all the way from Alabama, but I did not tell him about the other 38 days
and 16,000+ miles I had flown getting from Alabama to South Carolina.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
--- Jerry, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own Ko
lb and the aircraft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did you ge
t single place or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on this list
are full of information and experience and a bunch of intelligent good men
and women. CChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c
rash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: Jerry Deckard <flypoker@windstream.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pil
eam.net>=0A=0AAt my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying clu
b. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were wil
ling to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy,
- most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walke
d.- Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we c
ould actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking
like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air.=0A=0ASo
I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night.=0A
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
John,
Leavine Neosho on your way to AL, you are probably getting near me. I
am on MO/AR state line, near the bootheel of MO.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly
south of Lake of the Ozarks.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
Mike W/Gang:
For the past 4 years, returning from the Rock House, Oregon, I have
spent the last night out at Neosho Airport, MO, 119 miles SW of
Camdenton. In fact, last year I spent two nights at Neosho because of
weather.
A great little airport and manager.
There is another good airport 23 miles south of Camdenton, at Lebanon.
I spent the night there on the way to Alaska in 2001. They have a
daily covered dish lunch each day. Let me sleep in the FBO.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
If I recall correctly didn't you fly your ultrastar around the perimeter of the
lower 48 John? Great reading about your Alaska trip by the way.
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
If I recall correctly didn't you fly your ultrastar around the perimeter of
the lower 48 John? Great reading about your Alaska trip by the way.
Hi Kirk S/Gang:
That would have been one hell'uva flight. No, never did that. Longest
flight in the Ultrastar was 600 miles round trip, and a hand full of 500
mile round trips.
Flew in all the States east of the Mississippi in the Firestar and a few
states west of the Big Muddy, for a total of 32, or it may have been 36.
Can not remember for sure now. Been more than 20 years ago.
The MKIII has flown in 49 States, most of Canada, and across the Mexican
Border without landing.
Thinking about those flights makes me tired. ;-)
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
Leavine Neosho on your way to AL, you are probably getting near me. I am
on MO/AR state line, near the bootheel of MO.
Jerry
Jerry D/Gang:
Nearest I get to Poplar Bluff, MO, is near Bald Knob, AR, 116 miles.
Neosho is in the SW corner and you are located in the SE corner of Missouri.
Is a beautiful flight from Neosho, MO, to Tunica, MS, just south of Memphis,
TN. Nice green mountainous area. Makes me want to come back with my dirt
bike and ATV.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 05/06/10 |
Where can I read John Hauck's story? I missed that. Concerning VW conversions...
Rick is the expert there. I talked a week or so ago with Steve at Great
Plains Engines and he was in contact with Travis about a VW conversion package.
Sorry I gave the impression my bird is flying. Not yet, but I am committed to
the GPAS VW engine.
Thanks all.
Bob
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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Hauck's Old web Page (william sullivan)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old web Page (John Hauck)
3. 04:24 AM - Re: Firestar (Thom Riddle)
4. 04:45 AM - Re: Firestar (william sullivan)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Thom Riddle)
6. 05:01 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (william sullivan)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Firestar (b young)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (Bob Green)
9. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (Mike Welch)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jack B. Hart)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Thom Riddle)
12. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Richard Girard)
13. 11:07 AM - Re: Firestar (John Hauck)
14. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (robert bean)
15. 11:35 AM - Re: Firestar (william sullivan)
16. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Firestar (lhaggerty)
17. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Larry Cottrell)
18. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (chris davis)
19. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (PATRICK LADD)
20. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (robert bean)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (chris davis)
22. 11:25 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page ()
23. 11:33 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots ()
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 03:39:38 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old web Page
- John- I just finished reading your story and loved it.- Never saw it
before, just references to it.- Thank you.
-
do not archive
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---------------- Bill Sullivan
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---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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---------------- FS 447
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 03:58:40 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old web Page
John- I just finished reading your story and loved it. Never saw it
before, just references to it. Thank you.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
Bill S/Gang:
Thanks.
Glad you liked it.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 04:24:20 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Bill,
Not covering the pod is easier, of course. Why not just fly it for awhile without
a pod covering. If you don't like it that way then add whatever covering you
think suits you. Incremental change is the easiest and safest path to flying
satisfaction.
I've owned two Firestars and one Slingshot. All had/have full enclosures and I
never got too hot flying in yankee-land. I removed the upper part of the fabric
covering aft of the pilot on both Firestars for easier access to that area but
won't do that with the Slingshot due to higher speeds.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently
to reason incorrectly.
- Michel de Montaigne
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Time: 04:45:40 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
Thom- After reading everyone's comments,-I think I am going to do as you
suggest.- I will just put the nose cone back on, and add a half length wi
ndshield.- I rode a motorcycle for years without a windshield, including
2 full years of commuting 15 miles one way- rain, shine, and snow.--I w
ouldn't recommend it.- I do have a lot of trouble with circulation in my
hands, and cold or damp wind will bother me.- I also like the idea of eas
e of service, until I see if I have any problems with the fuel system.- M
aybe I can deflect enough air to make a difference.- Kip had a video wher
e the camera was mounted on a wing strut, pointed at him.- The wind didn'
t seem to disturb his clothes too bad.- He has a shield that is about 3/4
, if I remember, and no pod cover.- The walk-around video that Travis sen
t showed a 1/2 pod cover, and I could easily do it in stages.
-
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------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
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ndsor Locks, Ct.
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------------------------ FS
447
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Time: 04:47:36 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Related to this I think is the preponderance of fuel guzzling type certificated
GA aircraft which are too expensive to fly and maintain for many of us.
I just moved to a different airport last month. My Slingshot is one of only two
experimental aircraft on the field with at least 40, maybe 50 aircraft that call
this airport home. The other experimental is a 582 powered weight shift and
I've never seen it fly, probably due to the perpetual high wind conditions here.
Can't imagine anyone flying a weigh-shift here except near dawn or dusk.
Walking through the community (open interior) T-hangar I see several airplanes
with flat tires and covered in dust.... long ago out of annual.
The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to do
with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is $4.90/gallon.
Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is $65/hr.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently
to reason incorrectly.
- Michel de Montaigne
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 05:01:33 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
- It's a sad day when the hourly rate for an A&P mechanic is cheaper than
the local auto repair shop.- And the A&P is a road call, too.- I just
got quoted $900 to $1,500 to change the heater core on a 1998 Jeep Cherokee
.- The core costs $60.- Guess which quote I'm going with.- I also thi
nk the comments about kids and video games are correct.- On the other han
d, we do need pilots for the Predator and Reaper drones.
-
do not archive
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--------------- Bill Sullivan
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--------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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--------------- FS 447
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 07:52:24 AM PST US
From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar
I need some opinions. I have not decided whether or not to cover the pod
on the Firestar. I know Kip just went with a mid-length windscreen, and his
videos don't show any problems with the airflow bothering the pilot. Jack
has a covered pod, and a short screen. Dana just hangs out in the open with
the Ultrastar. Visibility has to be great. My limited experience with a
full enclosure tells me that it can be awful hot. Any opinions as to
advantages or disadvantages would be appreciated, because the weather is
starting to look good for outdoor Stits work.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
When I drove motorcycles without a wind faring. There was always the wind
in your face and the experience that goes with that, when I put on a
faring it was still breezy, and I never missed getting smacked by the bugs,
etc. it also extended the season I could ride comfortably by a few weeks.
With the full enclosure on the mkIII I can fly all winter long, I have
taken off with temps in the 20's and had an hour flight. Going into the sun
was warmer than when flying away. To keep from getting too hot in summer
I cut some vents in the side windows , just ahead and above my knees, when
they are open it blows directly on me and eliminates the green house
effect. Were I to build again it would be another full enclosure.
Boyd Young
MKIII
Utah
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 08:43:31 AM PST US
From: Bob Green <bgreen@bimi.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they
stick to the designs put out by Homer. Personally I got tired of seeing adds
about a $100K plane built in China.
The people at Kolb are a butch of nice people for sure.
Bob
MKIIIX
N830PB
Great Plains VW Re-drive
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 09:02:39 AM PST US
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
> Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it
if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure.
> Bob
> MKIIIX
> N830PB
> Great Plains VW Re-drive
Bob=2C
Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about your VW engine s
etup? If I'm not mistaken=2C I though I heard Travis mention something abo
ut a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra.
I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW engines
on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.
Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project=2C or whether or not
it is out the window due to the latest developments.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:23:32 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to
do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is
$4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is
$65/hr.
>
>--------
Thom,
Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't
see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a
C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and
made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money
does."
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 10:32:04 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Jack,
That is one way to look at it. Another way is that lack of money is what keeps
an airplane down. Same same. Not a cheap hobby even when burning auto fuel, but
I can't imagine not flying, no matter the cost. For me, it is an addiction like
drugs or smokes are for some, and I can't wait until my next fix. I'm Jonesing
for some decent flying weather.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently
to reason incorrectly.
- Michel de Montaigne
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 10:47:02 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
No bucks, no Buck Rogers. "The Right Stuff".
Rick Girard
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>wrote:
>
> At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something
> to
> do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is
> $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is
> $65/hr.
> >
> >--------
>
> Thom,
>
> Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't
> see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a
> C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and
> made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money
> does."
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 11:07:06 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar
Were I to build again it would be another full enclosure.
Boyd Young
MKIII
Utah
I built US, FS, and MKIII.
I am with Boyd. If I built again, I'd go full enclosure.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 11:12:25 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
The irony is the $$$ that have been pumped into the sleepy little airports so they
could have
5000' runways and the flying population has diminished to nearly invisible. I
doubt it will ever return
to what it was. The south is doing better than the north in hanging on to the
sport.
There are only a handful of my old flying friends still doing it. -and if you
mention any of the
kit planes they mutter under their breath. I have one neighbor who flew and owned
all sorts of good
general av aircraft and decided, after various health issues, to get a flightstar.
Smart guy.
BB
do not archive
On 6, May 2010, at 2:23 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
> At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to
> do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is
> $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is
> $65/hr.
>>
>> --------
>
> Thom,
>
> Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't
> see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a
> C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and
> made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money
> does."
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 11:35:37 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
- I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with the basi
cs and go from there.- I am still trimming weight to get as close to a 10
3 spec as I can.- There is no extended flying planned for the time being,
due to my deteriorating physical condition.- Nothing to do with the cras
h, but I am in the final stages of degenerative disc disease plus a host of
other problems.- Up, around, and down- maybe an hour out and back.- Le
arn first, then fun as I can get it.- I am now about 3 years past my "nev
er walk again" date.
-
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----------------- Bill Sullivan
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----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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----------------- FS 447
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 01:00:49 PM PST US
From: "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
The best of Irish luck ta ya. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with
the basics and go from there. I am still trimming weight to get as
close to a 103 spec as I can. There is no extended flying planned for
the time being, due to my deteriorating physical condition. Nothing to
do with the crash, but I am in the final stages of degenerative disc
disease plus a host of other problems. Up, around, and down- maybe an
hour out and back. Learn first, then fun as I can get it. I am now
about 3 years past my "never walk again" date.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 02:06:40 PM PST US
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
I know for me it was the money. I tried, (read checked) several times
into getting a pilots certificate, and could never afford it. Finally
the "UL"s" got good enough to make it interesting, and I borrowed money
from my 401 K to buy a Firestar II. It still took me 10 years and 6
months to get my Sport Pilot certificate. It is just too costly for a
regular working guy to get into it. Quite frankly the cost of some of
these Light Sport planes (100 K ) is such that if I had that kind of
money I would buy a go fast GA plane.
Larry
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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 02:27:20 PM PST US
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
Mike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make a go of it-Brian and t
he gang should stick with the Homer designs but --- IMHO they should go aft
er the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with all the modifications the
John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his MKIII and all the-obviou
s success he has had and all the fans that miss pfer and John have I think
that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very marketable and a flock of those
would do a lot for our longevity.I personally dont care for the MKIII extra
"they dont glide worth a sh-t-"Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pi
lot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0AFrom: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-Li
st: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10=0A=0A> Had not heard of the co
mpany change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they stick to the des
igns put out by Homer.sure. =0A> Bob=0A> MKIIIX=0A> N830PB=0A> Great Plains
VW Re-drive=0A=0ABob,=0A-=0A- Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft con
tacted you about your VW engine setup?- If I'm not mistaken, I though I
-heard Travis mention something about a VW-based engine for the next comp
any built Xtra.=0A- I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are run
ning the VW engines on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.=0A-
Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project, or whether-or not i
t is out the window due to the latest developments.=0A-=0AMike Welch=0AMk
III-=0A=0A________________________________=0AThe New Busy think 9 to 5 is
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 02:43:42 PM PST US
From: PATRICK LADD <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
--- On Thu, 6/5/10, Ralph B <ul15@juno.com> wrote:
From: Ralph B <ul15@juno.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young guys are mor
e into video games and computers. If they want to fly, there is a game or s
imulation that would satisfy that desire without having to spend money on a
plane or lessons. Cell phones and ipods seem to satisfy everything they ne
ed.
Ralph
--------
Visiting my old gliding club recently the CFI told me that they now have to
sit any prospective member down and explain to him that he could hurt hims
elf gliding. Good grief! We have a generation who have never fallen from a
tree and boken an arm or even grazed a knee or an elbow. Playgrounds are co
vered in rubber not asphalt. They are not allowed in a canoe whithout a lif
ejacket
. A youngster on TV the other day said ``If I fall over my Mum rushes up an
d says Are you hurt darling , are you sure you are alright. My Gran says `G
et up`.
Cheers
Pat.
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________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 03:04:43 PM PST US
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
Not many kit planes, Kolbs included, are good gliders. That's not what
we bought them for. The bare bones simplicity
and ability to fly safely in a well designed airplane is what lures Kolb
builders and buyers. My original aim was for a FSII
but the opportunity cropped up for a wrecked MKIII so I "settled for"
that. No regrets.
I think the xtra is an attractive modification to the MKIII design. I
doubt if the flying qualities have been compromised.
The best Kolb can do is continue their excellent support of the fleet as
it is. I have an order for parts coming in the mail now.
If nobody buys stuff from them they will evaporate.
There is always room for a new and innovative airplane. Perhaps they
can do some design work in their spare time. Another P 103 UL?
BB
do not archive
On 6, May 2010, at 5:25 PM, chris davis wrote:
> Mike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make a go of it Brian
and the gang should stick with the Homer designs but --- IMHO they
should go after the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with all the
modifications the John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his MKIII
and all the obvious success he has had and all the fans that miss pfer
and John have I think that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very
marketable and a flock of those would do a lot for our longevity.I
personally dont care for the MKIII extra "they dont glide worth a sh-t "
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
>
> > Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go
of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure.
> > Bob
> > MKIIIX
> > N830PB
> > Great Plains VW Re-drive
>
> Bob,
>
> Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about your VW
engine setup? If I'm not mistaken, I though I heard Travis mention
something about a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra.
> I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW
engines on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.
> Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project, or whether or
not it is out the window due to the latest developments.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars
with Hotmail. Get busy.
> =================
>
>
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 04:04:37 PM PST US
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10
Robert , I was making a Joke about them gliding as the one I crashed in did
nt make it to the runway after the engine quit-. Sorry if I offended-an
yone ,I am still and always will be a Kolb lover and as soon as I finish bu
ilding once again I will be--a Kolb flyer I just really prefer missPfer
to the Xtra!Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c
rash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Thu, May 6, 2010 6:04:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Diges
t: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10=0A=0ANot many kit planes, Kolbs included, are good gl
iders. -That's not what we bought them for. -The bare bones simplicity
=0Aand ability to fly safely in a well designed airplane is what lures Kolb
builders and buyers. -My original aim was for a FSII=0Abut the opportuni
ty cropped up for a wrecked MKIII so I "settled for" that. -No regrets.
=0A=0AI think the xtra is an attractive modification to the MKIII design.
-I doubt if the flying qualities have been compromised.=0AThe best Kolb c
an do is continue their excellent support of the fleet as it is. -I have
an order for parts coming in the mail now.=0AIf nobody buys stuff from them
they will evaporate.=0A=0AThere is always room for a new and innovative ai
rplane. -Perhaps they can do some design work in their spare time.-Anot
her P 103 UL? -=0ABB=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn 6, May 2010, at 5:25 PM,
chris davis wrote:=0A=0AMike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make
a go of it-Brian and the gang should stick with the Homer designs but --
- IMHO they should go after the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with
all the modifications the John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his M
KIII and all the-obvious success he has had and all the fans that miss pf
er and John have I think that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very marketa
ble and a flock of those would do a lot for our longevity.I personally dont
care for the MKIII extra "they dont glide worth a sh-t-"Chris Davis=0A>K
XP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly =0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-Mike Welch <m
dnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0A>To:-kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent:-Thu, Ma
y 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM=0A>Subject:-RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22
Msgs - 05/05/10=0A>=0A>> Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb ca
n make a better go of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure
.-=0A>> Bob=0A>> MKIIIX=0A>> N830PB=0A>> Great Plains VW Re-drive=0A>=0A>
Bob,=0A>-=0A>- Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about
your VW engine setup?- If I'm not mistaken, I though I-heard Travis me
ntion something about a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra.=0A
>- I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW engin
es on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.=0A>- Maybe Travis co
uld update us on this latest project, or whether-or not it is out the win
dow due to the latest developments.=0A>-=0A>Mike Welch=0A>MkIII-=0A>=0A
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________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 11:25:12 PM PST US
From: <aoldman@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page
Thanks for the entertainment. You could charge for this . Its a great read ,
Its also gives some insight into the capability of the little planes we fly.
They are much more capable than many would think,also much safer than many
give them credit for .
The MK111c is a very good flying machine that most of us do not fly close to
its limitations. My own limitations are far less than the MK111s . You have
a great way with words,never over stating a situation but giving enough
information so others that have enjoyed the same environment can visualize
some of the situations you found yourself in and appreciate the skill that
goes with the safe out come of your adventures. I bet some of those close
to you think you are a bad boy. Keep it up . You serve as a inspiration to
the young uns considering taking up our sport .
Downunder
MK111c
Fair winds to all . Regards Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> For those that have not seen this before, and may be interested in cross
> country flights in Kolb aircraft, my Son, Mike, has initially uploaded
> this
> old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg
> to
> Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.
>
> This is a copy of the articles in the EAA Experimenter Mag, May, June,
> July,
> August 1995. The magazine articles are available to read on line at the
> EAA
> web site.
>
> This web page is not completely without a few bugs.
>
> This is the first page:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94.htm
>
> The four URLs at the bottom of the first page work. The others do not.
>
> Below are the four URLs for each of four parts.
>
>
> This is Part 1:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94a.htm
>
> Part 2:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94b.htm
>
> Part 3:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94c.htm
>
> Part 4:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94d.htm
>
>
> john hauck
> MKIII
> Titus, AL
>
>
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 11:33:14 PM PST US
From: <aoldman@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
We are paying $9.44 US a gallon for our fuel down here . We still manage to
convert lots of it into smily faces .
But I know what you are talking about, fuel has simply become a easy cash
cow for our govements.Tax Tax Tax
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
>
> Related to this I think is the preponderance of fuel guzzling type
> certificated GA aircraft which are too expensive to fly and maintain for
> many of us.
>
> I just moved to a different airport last month. My Slingshot is one of
> only two experimental aircraft on the field with at least 40, maybe 50
> aircraft that call this airport home. The other experimental is a 582
> powered weight shift and I've never seen it fly, probably due to the
> perpetual high wind conditions here. Can't imagine anyone flying a
> weigh-shift here except near dawn or dusk. Walking through the community
> (open interior) T-hangar I see several airplanes with flat tires and
> covered in dust.... long ago out of annual.
>
> The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something
> to do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is
> $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P
> is $65/hr.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated
> sufficiently to reason incorrectly.
> - Michel de Montaigne
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296914#296914
>
>
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At 04:09 PM 5/7/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>The MKIII has flown in 49 States...
All that's left is to ship it to Hawaii... next year maybe? :)
-Dana
--
"Calvin, we will not have an anatomically correct snowman!"
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All that's left is to ship it to Hawaii... next year maybe? :)
-Dana
Dana/Gang:
Way back in 1984, when I built and started flying my Ultrastar, I made
myself a commitment to fly my airplanes. That is what I have done for the
past 26 years. I get that question at every flyin, "Did you trailer your
airplane here?" My standard answer is, "No, I built it to fly, not
trailer." The only time it gets trailered is when I break it bad enough to
require taking it home to repair.
Flyin in the 50th State is out of the question because I can not get enough
range to make it to Hawaii. ;-(
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Folks:
For Bob Green and those that did not get a copy of this one the first time
around.
john hauck
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Hauck's Old Web Page
Hi Folks:
For those that have not seen this before, and may be interested in cross
country flights in Kolb aircraft, my Son, Mike, has initially uploaded this
old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg to
Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.
This is a copy of the articles in the EAA Experimenter Mag, May, June, July,
August 1995. The magazine articles are available to read on line at the EAA
web site.
This web page is not completely without a few bugs.
This is the first page:
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94.htm
The four URLs at the bottom of the first page work. The others do not.
Below are the four URLs for each of four parts.
This is Part 1:
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94a.htm
Part 2:
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94b.htm
Part 3:
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94c.htm
Part 4:
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94d.htm
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, AL
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Subject: | Re: Hauck's Old Web Page |
At 06:18 PM 5/7/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>...The only time it gets trailered is when I break it...
I wish I could say the same. Perhaps when I'm retired...
But thanks for posting the story. One of the best flying reads I've seen
in awhile.
-Dana
--
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark.
Professionals built the Titanic.
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
GOOD ON YOU, DANIEL! -- AND YOUR BUDS.
On May 5, 2010, at 9:43 PM, daniel myers wrote:
> Guys, here in central Florida, there are many young pilots. I went
> to highschool where I met 4 other aviation enthusiasts. All 5 of us
> obtained our pilots licenses by our senior year. As for me, I am
> only 20 years old and have owned two aircraft. My first plane was a
> FSII amphib and my current is a SeaRey amphibian. In the last 2
> years, I have gone from student pilot, to SeaRey Technical
> Administrator, to an aircraft owner, to an aircraft broker
> specializing in amphibious aircraft. As for my friends, we still
> "hang out" and fly on a daily and weekly basis. The SeaRey
> community loves us youngsters (I think). Anyways, maybe we need to
> send some youngsters your way!
> Regards,
> Daniel Myers
>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
> > From: ul15@juno.com
> > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:17:21 -0700
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young
> guys are more into video games and computers. If they want to fly,
> there is a game or simulation that would satisfy that desire
> without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones
> and ipods seem to satisfy everything they need.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > --------
> > Ralph B
> > Original Firestar 447
> > N91493 E-AB
> > 1000 hours
> > 23 years flying it
> > Kolbra 912UL
> > N20386
> > 2 years flying it
> > 120 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296885#296885
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
> inbox. Get started.
>
>
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Bill, I had no idea. You looked pretty spry when last we met.
The very best of luck
Fair winds,
Russ
do not archive
On May 6, 2010, at 3:56 PM, lhaggerty wrote:
> The best of Irish luck ta ya. Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: william sullivan
> To: kolb list
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar
>
> I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with
> the basics and go from there. I am still trimming weight to get as
> close to a 103 spec as I can. There is no extended flying planned
> for the time being, due to my deteriorating physical condition.
> Nothing to do with the crash, but I am in the final stages of
> degenerative disc disease plus a host of other problems. Up,
> around, and down- maybe an hour out and back. Learn first, then
> fun as I can get it. I am now about 3 years past my "never walk
> again" date.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
What an interesting election you're having !!
Fair winds,
Russ
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
My apologies List, meant for Pat alone --
Begin forwarded message:
> From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
> Date: May 7, 2010 7:46:35 PM EDT
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
>
> What an interesting election you're having !!
> Fair winds,
> Russ
>
>
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Subject: | Hauck's Old Web Page |
Brother John....
I would reckon about two MRE's a day... they are close to 3=2C000 calories
per=2C you know... in the Kleenex Kolb=2C that would mean six rations for t
he 160 mile round trip... plus the gin.... and the stogies... and the 40
gallons of gas... the tents...the TV=2C fridge=2C cots and the generator.
.. might take two support vehicles...
Yes =2C the commissary still sells MRE's... was in there at MacDill this af
ternoon...they are $7.12 a ration.
Most of the good ones were picked over...luckily=2C plenty of tuna casserol
e left=2C though... Maxwell ought to have a good selection...
do not archive
beauford
FF-076
Brandon=2C FL
Glad you enjoyed the article.
How many MRE's do you think it will take to make an 80 mile cross country?
I need to find some fresh ones. Do you know if the Commissary still sells
them?
john hauck
mkIII
Titus=2C AL
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
It is a single, however I think the frame is two place, it has the 7 rib
wing. I have firestar 1 kit that I picked about 4 years ago that I
never got around to building. There a couple extra tubes on this one. It
has the 503 on it. I bought it from the widow of Leman Neeper, in TX.
He may have been on the list in the past?
In the past I have had a quicksilver MXL and a Challenger clip wing II.
I am looking forward to flying again. I have been out of it for about 3
years.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
Jerry, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own
Kolb and the aircraft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did
you get single place or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on
this list are full of information and experience and a bunch of
intelligent good men and women. C
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Jerry Deckard <flypoker@windstream.net>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots
<flypoker@windstream.net>
At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After
months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing
to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy,
most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I
walked. Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so
that we could actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more
interested in looking like they were going somewhere instead of actual
time in the air.
So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just
go========================
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Subject: | Re: Lack of pilots |
Jerry , If you have never flown a Kolb but have flown a Quicksilver and a
-Challenger HOLD ON because flying -a Kolb is a hole-nuther world =0A
from what you have flown . Have fun!!!!-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AG
lider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0AFrom: Jerry Deckard <flypoker@windstream.net>=0AT
o: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, May 7, 2010 9:33:32 PM=0ASubject: R
e: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots=0A=0A=0AIt is a single, however I think th
e frame is two place, it has the 7 rib wing.- I have firestar 1-kit tha
t I picked about 4 years ago that I never got around to building. There a c
ouple extra tubes on this one. It has the 503 on it.- I bought it from th
e widow of Leman Neeper, in TX.- He may have been on the list in the past
?=0A-=0AIn the past I have had a quicksilver MXL- and a Challenger clip
wing II. I am looking forward to flying again. I have been out of it for a
bout 3 years. =0A-=0AJerry=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: chris
davis =0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:25
PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots=0A>=0A>=0A>--- Jerr
y, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own Kolb and the air
craft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did you get single place
or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on this list are full of i
nformation and experience and a bunch of intelligent good men and women. CC
hris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash buildi
ng Firefly =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Jerry Deckard <flypoker@windstream.net>=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>S
ent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pil
tream.net>=0A>=0A>At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying
club. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were
willing to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to bu
y,- most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I wal
ked.- Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we
could actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looki
ng like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air.=0A>=0A
>So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just go======
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forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http
==0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Kolb Related Web Sites |
Hi Folks:
Thanks to George Alexander, my web page is working better. He has all the
url's working and will get some of the other problems sorted soon.
http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/
This is the url for George's web page. He has gone to a lot of work to come
up with some good information about Kolbs and Kolb activities.
http://www.oh2fly.net
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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