---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/07/10: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard) 2. 05:47 AM - FW: Hauck's Old Web Page (Beauford Tuton) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (william sullivan) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (william sullivan) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Thom Riddle) 6. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Mike Welch) 7. 06:43 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Ducati SS) 8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard) 9. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (John Hauck) 10. 07:23 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck) 11. 07:50 AM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck) 12. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (chris davis) 13. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard) 14. 12:03 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Kirkds) 15. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck) 16. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (John Hauck) 17. 02:39 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 05/06/10 (Bob Green) 18. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Dana Hague) 19. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck) 20. 03:24 PM - Fw: Hauck's Old Web Page (John Hauck) 21. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Dana Hague) 22. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne) 23. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Firestar (russ kinne) 24. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne) 25. 04:48 PM - Fw: Re: Lack of pilots (russ kinne) 26. 04:48 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page (Beauford Tuton) 27. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Jerry Deckard) 28. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (chris davis) 29. 08:19 PM - Kolb Related Web Sites (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:49 AM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air. So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night. Jerry SE Missouri ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:44 AM PST US From: Beauford Tuton Subject: FW: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page Brother John: Some highly enjoyable reading... Thanks for putting it up on the List... After this inspiration=2C hell=2C I might even plan an EIGHTY mile XC in th e Kleenex Kolb... ...will need to lay-in some MRE's and stash some gas along the route first. .. beauford FF-076 Brandon=2C FL > > Hi Folks: > > For those that have not seen this before=2C and may be interested in cros s > country flights in Kolb aircraft=2C my Son=2C Mike=2C has initially uploa ded this > old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg to > Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay=2C Alaska. > > >> .. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox .. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:57 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots - Jerry- Congratulations.- Details on the plane? - do not archive - ------------------------- -------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- -------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ---------------------original 5 r ib Firestar, 447 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:52 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page - Beauford:- MRE's- Stay away from the tuna casserole. - do not archive ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------------- Winds or Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------------- FS 44 7 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: "Thom Riddle" Jerry, That sounds familiar. At the airport I just moved from, there is a very old flying club that currently owns 4 airplanes, a Cherokee 140, an Archer, a C172 and a Cherokee Six. Most stay fairly busy during the summer except for the Cherokee Six which is for sale for that reason. Over the last few years a couple guys proposed over and over that they replace one of the gas guzzlers with a used LSA but the "management" won't hear of it. And yet they want to sell the Six because "nobody can afford to fly it". For several years (before the big fuel cost increase a couple years ago) they had a waiting list for membership. Now they have several openings but are primarily looking for student pilots who tend to fly more than already certificated pilots. In this part of the world there seems to be a mindset among existing pilots adamantly against LSA for reasons beyond my ability to understand. And yet, at this very same airport there is an active flight school with two C172s and a Navigator 600 (SLSA from Poland). Guess which airplane gets the most use by student pilots? You guessed it, the SLSA. But the flying club remains deaf, dumb and blind. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. - Michel de Montaigne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297027#297027 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:10 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots Jerry=2C What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton=2C just slightly south of Lake of the Ozarks. Mike Welch MkIII CX > From: flypoker@windstream.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots > Date: Fri=2C 7 May 2010 07:33:20 -0500 > > > > At my local airport=2C they/we are trying to start a flying club. After m onths > of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up > 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy=2C most wanted auto > pilot=2C min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple > wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually affo rd > to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were goi ng > somewhere instead of actual time in the air. > > So I took my investment and bought a Firestar=2C just got it home last ni ght. > > Jerry > SE Missouri > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: "Ducati SS" I used to have a C 150 that I kept tied down at a local airport. At times I would stop to talk to a teacher who hangered his plane at the same airport. This teacher also did light contracting work summers. He made two comments that seem to be a national trend with young people. The first was that he had given up trying to hire students as they would only show up a for day or two. The second was that he has taken more kids for rides in his Skipper than he could number. When the ride was over the kids would be all excited and ask what they needed to do to become pilots. When he outlined the process that would be the end of it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297029#297029 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:24 AM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots I am near Poplar Bluff. I have 1200' strip at home. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots Jerry, What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of Lake of the Ozarks. Mike Welch MkIII CX > From: flypoker@windstream.net > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:33:20 -0500 > > > At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months > of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up > 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most wanted auto > pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple > wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford > to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going > somewhere instead of actual time in the air. > > So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night. > > Jerry > SE Missouri > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:50 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of Lake of the Ozarks. Mike Welch MkIII CX Mike W/Gang: For the past 4 years, returning from the Rock House, Oregon, I have spent the last night out at Neosho Airport, MO, 119 miles SW of Camdenton. In fact, last year I spent two nights at Neosho because of weather. A great little airport and manager. There is another good airport 23 miles south of Camdenton, at Lebanon. I spent the night there on the way to Alaska in 2001. They have a daily covered dish lunch each day. Let me sleep in the FBO. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page Some highly enjoyable reading... Thanks for putting it up on the List... After this inspiration, hell, I might even plan an EIGHTY mile XC in the Kleenex Kolb... ...will need to lay-in some MRE's and stash some gas along the route first... beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Beauford T/Gang: Glad you enjoyed the article. How many MRE's do you think it will take to make an 80 mile cross country? I need to find some fresh ones. Do you know if the Commissary still sells them? john hauck mkIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page I bet some of those close to you think you are a bad boy. Keep it up . You serve as a inspiration to the young uns considering taking up our sport . Downunder MK111c Fair winds to all . Regards Tony Thanks, Tony: My family tried to talk me out of every Alaska flight, but knew what the outcome was going to be. At 71, they are not real excited about me making the annual flight West, but realize I will continue to do them as long as they continue to be fun. When the fun flying is gone, I'll find another way to get out West. Yes, we have a good little airplane, one of the reasons I chose to make my long flights in a Kolb. Will never forget the guy at an airport somewhere in South Carolina, where I landed to get fuel. This was during the 1994 flight around the country, and I had about three days of flying left before I got back to Alabama. I taxied up to the gas pump and got out. He came up to the airplane and asked where I was from. I told him Alabama. He said, "You flew that thing all the way from there?" My reply was yes, I had flown it all the way from Alabama, but I did not tell him about the other 38 days and 16,000+ miles I had flown getting from Alabama to South Carolina. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:26 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots --- Jerry, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own Ko lb and the aircraft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did you ge t single place or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on this list are full of information and experience and a bunch of intelligent good men and women. CChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c rash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro m: Jerry Deckard =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pil eam.net>=0A=0AAt my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying clu b. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were wil ling to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, - most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walke d.- Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we c ould actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air.=0A=0ASo I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night.=0A =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:54 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots John, Leavine Neosho on your way to AL, you are probably getting near me. I am on MO/AR state line, near the bootheel of MO. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots What town are at in Missouri? I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of Lake of the Ozarks. Mike Welch MkIII CX Mike W/Gang: For the past 4 years, returning from the Rock House, Oregon, I have spent the last night out at Neosho Airport, MO, 119 miles SW of Camdenton. In fact, last year I spent two nights at Neosho because of weather. A great little airport and manager. There is another good airport 23 miles south of Camdenton, at Lebanon. I spent the night there on the way to Alaska in 2001. They have a daily covered dish lunch each day. Let me sleep in the FBO. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page From: "Kirkds" If I recall correctly didn't you fly your ultrastar around the perimeter of the lower 48 John? Great reading about your Alaska trip by the way. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297063#297063 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:50 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page If I recall correctly didn't you fly your ultrastar around the perimeter of the lower 48 John? Great reading about your Alaska trip by the way. Hi Kirk S/Gang: That would have been one hell'uva flight. No, never did that. Longest flight in the Ultrastar was 600 miles round trip, and a hand full of 500 mile round trips. Flew in all the States east of the Mississippi in the Firestar and a few states west of the Big Muddy, for a total of 32, or it may have been 36. Can not remember for sure now. Been more than 20 years ago. The MKIII has flown in 49 States, most of Canada, and across the Mexican Border without landing. Thinking about those flights makes me tired. ;-) john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots Leavine Neosho on your way to AL, you are probably getting near me. I am on MO/AR state line, near the bootheel of MO. Jerry Jerry D/Gang: Nearest I get to Poplar Bluff, MO, is near Bald Knob, AR, 116 miles. Neosho is in the SW corner and you are located in the SE corner of Missouri. Is a beautiful flight from Neosho, MO, to Tunica, MS, just south of Memphis, TN. Nice green mountainous area. Makes me want to come back with my dirt bike and ATV. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:58 PM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 05/06/10 Where can I read John Hauck's story? I missed that. Concerning VW conversions... Rick is the expert there. I talked a week or so ago with Steve at Great Plains Engines and he was in contact with Travis about a VW conversion package. Sorry I gave the impression my bird is flying. Not yet, but I am committed to the GPAS VW engine. Thanks all. 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Hart) 11. 10:32 AM - Re: Lack of pilots (Thom Riddle) 12. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Richard Girard) 13. 11:07 AM - Re: Firestar (John Hauck) 14. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (robert bean) 15. 11:35 AM - Re: Firestar (william sullivan) 16. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Firestar (lhaggerty) 17. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (Larry Cottrell) 18. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (chris davis) 19. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots (PATRICK LADD) 20. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (robert bean) 21. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 (chris davis) 22. 11:25 PM - Re: Hauck's Old Web Page () 23. 11:33 PM - Re: Re: Lack of pilots () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:38 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old web Page - John- I just finished reading your story and loved it.- Never saw it before, just references to it.- Thank you. - do not archive ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ---------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:40 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old web Page John- I just finished reading your story and loved it. Never saw it before, just references to it. Thank you. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 Bill S/Gang: Thanks. Glad you liked it. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar From: "Thom Riddle" Bill, Not covering the pod is easier, of course. Why not just fly it for awhile without a pod covering. If you don't like it that way then add whatever covering you think suits you. Incremental change is the easiest and safest path to flying satisfaction. I've owned two Firestars and one Slingshot. All had/have full enclosures and I never got too hot flying in yankee-land. I removed the upper part of the fabric covering aft of the pilot on both Firestars for easier access to that area but won't do that with the Slingshot due to higher speeds. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. - Michel de Montaigne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296913#296913 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:40 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Thom- After reading everyone's comments,-I think I am going to do as you suggest.- I will just put the nose cone back on, and add a half length wi ndshield.- I rode a motorcycle for years without a windshield, including 2 full years of commuting 15 miles one way- rain, shine, and snow.--I w ouldn't recommend it.- I do have a lot of trouble with circulation in my hands, and cold or damp wind will bother me.- I also like the idea of eas e of service, until I see if I have any problems with the fuel system.- M aybe I can deflect enough air to make a difference.- Kip had a video wher e the camera was mounted on a wing strut, pointed at him.- The wind didn' t seem to disturb his clothes too bad.- He has a shield that is about 3/4 , if I remember, and no pod cover.- The walk-around video that Travis sen t showed a 1/2 pod cover, and I could easily do it in stages. - ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------ Wi ndsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------ FS 447 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: "Thom Riddle" Related to this I think is the preponderance of fuel guzzling type certificated GA aircraft which are too expensive to fly and maintain for many of us. I just moved to a different airport last month. My Slingshot is one of only two experimental aircraft on the field with at least 40, maybe 50 aircraft that call this airport home. The other experimental is a 582 powered weight shift and I've never seen it fly, probably due to the perpetual high wind conditions here. Can't imagine anyone flying a weigh-shift here except near dawn or dusk. Walking through the community (open interior) T-hangar I see several airplanes with flat tires and covered in dust.... long ago out of annual. The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is $65/hr. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. - Michel de Montaigne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296914#296914 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:33 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots - It's a sad day when the hourly rate for an A&P mechanic is cheaper than the local auto repair shop.- And the A&P is a road call, too.- I just got quoted $900 to $1,500 to change the heater core on a 1998 Jeep Cherokee .- The core costs $60.- Guess which quote I'm going with.- I also thi nk the comments about kids and video games are correct.- On the other han d, we do need pilots for the Predator and Reaper drones. - do not archive ------------------------- --------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- --------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- --------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:24 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar I need some opinions. I have not decided whether or not to cover the pod on the Firestar. I know Kip just went with a mid-length windscreen, and his videos don't show any problems with the airflow bothering the pilot. Jack has a covered pod, and a short screen. Dana just hangs out in the open with the Ultrastar. Visibility has to be great. My limited experience with a full enclosure tells me that it can be awful hot. Any opinions as to advantages or disadvantages would be appreciated, because the weather is starting to look good for outdoor Stits work. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. When I drove motorcycles without a wind faring. There was always the wind in your face and the experience that goes with that, when I put on a faring it was still breezy, and I never missed getting smacked by the bugs, etc. it also extended the season I could ride comfortably by a few weeks. With the full enclosure on the mkIII I can fly all winter long, I have taken off with temps in the 20's and had an hour flight. Going into the sun was warmer than when flying away. To keep from getting too hot in summer I cut some vents in the side windows , just ahead and above my knees, when they are open it blows directly on me and eliminates the green house effect. Were I to build again it would be another full enclosure. Boyd Young MKIII Utah ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:31 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer. Personally I got tired of seeing adds about a $100K plane built in China. The people at Kolb are a butch of nice people for sure. Bob MKIIIX N830PB Great Plains VW Re-drive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:39 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 > Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure. > Bob > MKIIIX > N830PB > Great Plains VW Re-drive Bob=2C Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about your VW engine s etup? If I'm not mistaken=2C I though I heard Travis mention something abo ut a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra. I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW engines on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co. Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project=2C or whether or not it is out the window due to the latest developments. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:32 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote: > > >The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is $65/hr. > >-------- Thom, Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money does." Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: "Thom Riddle" Jack, That is one way to look at it. Another way is that lack of money is what keeps an airplane down. Same same. Not a cheap hobby even when burning auto fuel, but I can't imagine not flying, no matter the cost. For me, it is an addiction like drugs or smokes are for some, and I can't wait until my next fix. I'm Jonesing for some decent flying weather. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. - Michel de Montaigne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296945#296945 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: Richard Girard No bucks, no Buck Rogers. "The Right Stuff". Rick Girard On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something > to > do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is > $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is > $65/hr. > > > >-------- > > Thom, > > Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't > see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a > C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and > made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money > does." > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Were I to build again it would be another full enclosure. Boyd Young MKIII Utah I built US, FS, and MKIII. I am with Boyd. If I built again, I'd go full enclosure. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots From: robert bean The irony is the $$$ that have been pumped into the sleepy little airports so they could have 5000' runways and the flying population has diminished to nearly invisible. I doubt it will ever return to what it was. The south is doing better than the north in hanging on to the sport. There are only a handful of my old flying friends still doing it. -and if you mention any of the kit planes they mutter under their breath. I have one neighbor who flew and owned all sorts of good general av aircraft and decided, after various health issues, to get a flightstar. Smart guy. BB do not archive On 6, May 2010, at 2:23 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >> The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to > do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is > $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is > $65/hr. >> >> -------- > > Thom, > > Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens. I don't > see other people at the airport but one. He is retired and purchased a > C-150 so that he could keep flyng. The other day, he was complaining and > made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money > does." > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:37 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar - I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with the basi cs and go from there.- I am still trimming weight to get as close to a 10 3 spec as I can.- There is no extended flying planned for the time being, due to my deteriorating physical condition.- Nothing to do with the cras h, but I am in the final stages of degenerative disc disease plus a host of other problems.- Up, around, and down- maybe an hour out and back.- Le arn first, then fun as I can get it.- I am now about 3 years past my "nev er walk again" date. - ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:49 PM PST US From: "lhaggerty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar The best of Irish luck ta ya. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: william sullivan To: kolb list Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with the basics and go from there. I am still trimming weight to get as close to a 103 spec as I can. There is no extended flying planned for the time being, due to my deteriorating physical condition. Nothing to do with the crash, but I am in the final stages of degenerative disc disease plus a host of other problems. Up, around, and down- maybe an hour out and back. Learn first, then fun as I can get it. I am now about 3 years past my "never walk again" date. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots I know for me it was the money. I tried, (read checked) several times into getting a pilots certificate, and could never afford it. Finally the "UL"s" got good enough to make it interesting, and I borrowed money from my 401 K to buy a Firestar II. It still took me 10 years and 6 months to get my Sport Pilot certificate. It is just too costly for a regular working guy to get into it. Quite frankly the cost of some of these Light Sport planes (100 K ) is such that if I had that kind of money I would buy a go fast GA plane. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:20 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 Mike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make a go of it-Brian and t he gang should stick with the Homer designs but --- IMHO they should go aft er the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with all the modifications the John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his MKIII and all the-obviou s success he has had and all the fans that miss pfer and John have I think that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very marketable and a flock of those would do a lot for our longevity.I personally dont care for the MKIII extra "they dont glide worth a sh-t-"Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pi lot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________ _______________=0AFrom: Mike Welch =0ATo: kolb-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-Li st: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10=0A=0A> Had not heard of the co mpany change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they stick to the des igns put out by Homer.sure. =0A> Bob=0A> MKIIIX=0A> N830PB=0A> Great Plains VW Re-drive=0A=0ABob,=0A-=0A- Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft con tacted you about your VW engine setup?- If I'm not mistaken, I though I -heard Travis mention something about a VW-based engine for the next comp any built Xtra.=0A- I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are run ning the VW engines on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.=0A- Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project, or whether-or not i t is out the window due to the latest developments.=0A-=0AMike Welch=0AMk III-=0A=0A________________________________=0AThe New Busy think 9 to 5 is ====== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:42 PM PST US From: PATRICK LADD Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots --- On Thu, 6/5/10, Ralph B wrote: From: Ralph B Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young guys are mor e into video games and computers. If they want to fly, there is a game or s imulation that would satisfy that desire without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones and ipods seem to satisfy everything they ne ed. Ralph -------- Visiting my old gliding club recently the CFI told me that they now have to sit any prospective member down and explain to him that he could hurt hims elf gliding. Good grief! We have a generation who have never fallen from a tree and boken an arm or even grazed a knee or an elbow. Playgrounds are co vered in rubber not asphalt. They are not allowed in a canoe whithout a lif ejacket . A youngster on TV the other day said ``If I fall over my Mum rushes up an d says Are you hurt darling , are you sure you are alright. My Gran says `G et up`. Cheers Pat. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296885#296885 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:43 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 Not many kit planes, Kolbs included, are good gliders. That's not what we bought them for. The bare bones simplicity and ability to fly safely in a well designed airplane is what lures Kolb builders and buyers. My original aim was for a FSII but the opportunity cropped up for a wrecked MKIII so I "settled for" that. No regrets. I think the xtra is an attractive modification to the MKIII design. I doubt if the flying qualities have been compromised. The best Kolb can do is continue their excellent support of the fleet as it is. I have an order for parts coming in the mail now. If nobody buys stuff from them they will evaporate. There is always room for a new and innovative airplane. Perhaps they can do some design work in their spare time. Another P 103 UL? BB do not archive On 6, May 2010, at 5:25 PM, chris davis wrote: > Mike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make a go of it Brian and the gang should stick with the Homer designs but --- IMHO they should go after the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with all the modifications the John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his MKIII and all the obvious success he has had and all the fans that miss pfer and John have I think that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very marketable and a flock of those would do a lot for our longevity.I personally dont care for the MKIII extra "they dont glide worth a sh-t " > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > From: Mike Welch > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 > > > Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb can make a better go of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure. > > Bob > > MKIIIX > > N830PB > > Great Plains VW Re-drive > > Bob, > > Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about your VW engine setup? If I'm not mistaken, I though I heard Travis mention something about a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra. > I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW engines on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co. > Maybe Travis could update us on this latest project, or whether or not it is out the window due to the latest developments. > > Mike Welch > MkIII > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. > ================= > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:37 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10 Robert , I was making a Joke about them gliding as the one I crashed in did nt make it to the runway after the engine quit-. Sorry if I offended-an yone ,I am still and always will be a Kolb lover and as soon as I finish bu ilding once again I will be--a Kolb flyer I just really prefer missPfer to the Xtra!Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c rash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro m: robert bean =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Thu, May 6, 2010 6:04:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Diges t: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10=0A=0ANot many kit planes, Kolbs included, are good gl iders. -That's not what we bought them for. -The bare bones simplicity =0Aand ability to fly safely in a well designed airplane is what lures Kolb builders and buyers. -My original aim was for a FSII=0Abut the opportuni ty cropped up for a wrecked MKIII so I "settled for" that. -No regrets. =0A=0AI think the xtra is an attractive modification to the MKIII design. -I doubt if the flying qualities have been compromised.=0AThe best Kolb c an do is continue their excellent support of the fleet as it is. -I have an order for parts coming in the mail now.=0AIf nobody buys stuff from them they will evaporate.=0A=0AThere is always room for a new and innovative ai rplane. -Perhaps they can do some design work in their spare time.-Anot her P 103 UL? -=0ABB=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn 6, May 2010, at 5:25 PM, chris davis wrote:=0A=0AMike/gang Thinking about what would help Kolb make a go of it-Brian and the gang should stick with the Homer designs but -- - IMHO they should go after the LSPA market with a new aircraft model with all the modifications the John Hauck and his brother Jim have done to his M KIII and all the-obvious success he has had and all the fans that miss pf er and John have I think that the "MKIII Hauck "model would be very marketa ble and a flock of those would do a lot for our longevity.I personally dont care for the MKIII extra "they dont glide worth a sh-t-"Chris Davis=0A>K XP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly =0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-Mike Welch =0A>To:-kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent:-Thu, Ma y 6, 2010 12:00:18 PM=0A>Subject:-RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 05/05/10=0A>=0A>> Had not heard of the company change. IMHO Kolb ca n make a better go of it if they stick to the designs put out by Homer.sure .-=0A>> Bob=0A>> MKIIIX=0A>> N830PB=0A>> Great Plains VW Re-drive=0A>=0A> Bob,=0A>-=0A>- Has any of the guys at Kolb Aircraft contacted you about your VW engine setup?- If I'm not mistaken, I though I-heard Travis me ntion something about a VW-based engine for the next company built Xtra.=0A >- I would imagine that the Kolb owner guys that are running the VW engin es on their Xtra's would be sought after by Kolb Co.=0A>- Maybe Travis co uld update us on this latest project, or whether-or not it is out the win dow due to the latest developments.=0A>-=0A>Mike Welch=0A>MkIII-=0A>=0A >________________________________=0AThe New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute ide a. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail.-Get busy.=0A> === ============== =0A>=0A> href="http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kol b-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com hre f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri =============== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page Thanks for the entertainment. You could charge for this . Its a great read , Its also gives some insight into the capability of the little planes we fly. They are much more capable than many would think,also much safer than many give them credit for . The MK111c is a very good flying machine that most of us do not fly close to its limitations. My own limitations are far less than the MK111s . You have a great way with words,never over stating a situation but giving enough information so others that have enjoyed the same environment can visualize some of the situations you found yourself in and appreciate the skill that goes with the safe out come of your adventures. I bet some of those close to you think you are a bad boy. Keep it up . You serve as a inspiration to the young uns considering taking up our sport . Downunder MK111c Fair winds to all . Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:12 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page > > Hi Folks: > > For those that have not seen this before, and may be interested in cross > country flights in Kolb aircraft, my Son, Mike, has initially uploaded > this > old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg > to > Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. > > This is a copy of the articles in the EAA Experimenter Mag, May, June, > July, > August 1995. The magazine articles are available to read on line at the > EAA > web site. > > This web page is not completely without a few bugs. > > This is the first page: > > http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94.htm > > The four URLs at the bottom of the first page work. The others do not. > > Below are the four URLs for each of four parts. > > > This is Part 1: > > http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94a.htm > > Part 2: > > http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94b.htm > > Part 3: > > http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94c.htm > > Part 4: > > http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94d.htm > > > john hauck > MKIII > Titus, AL > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:14 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots We are paying $9.44 US a gallon for our fuel down here . We still manage to convert lots of it into smily faces . But I know what you are talking about, fuel has simply become a easy cash cow for our govements.Tax Tax Tax Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots > > Related to this I think is the preponderance of fuel guzzling type > certificated GA aircraft which are too expensive to fly and maintain for > many of us. > > I just moved to a different airport last month. My Slingshot is one of > only two experimental aircraft on the field with at least 40, maybe 50 > aircraft that call this airport home. The other experimental is a 582 > powered weight shift and I've never seen it fly, probably due to the > perpetual high wind conditions here. Can't imagine anyone flying a > weigh-shift here except near dawn or dusk. Walking through the community > (open interior) T-hangar I see several airplanes with flat tires and > covered in dust.... long ago out of annual. > > The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something > to do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying). Local 100LL price is > $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P > is $65/hr. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated > sufficiently to reason incorrectly. > - Michel de Montaigne > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296914#296914 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:10 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page At 04:09 PM 5/7/2010, John Hauck wrote: >The MKIII has flown in 49 States... All that's left is to ship it to Hawaii... next year maybe? :) -Dana -- "Calvin, we will not have an anatomically correct snowman!" ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:29 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page All that's left is to ship it to Hawaii... next year maybe? :) -Dana Dana/Gang: Way back in 1984, when I built and started flying my Ultrastar, I made myself a commitment to fly my airplanes. That is what I have done for the past 26 years. I get that question at every flyin, "Did you trailer your airplane here?" My standard answer is, "No, I built it to fly, not trailer." The only time it gets trailered is when I break it bad enough to require taking it home to repair. Flyin in the 50th State is out of the question because I can not get enough range to make it to Hawaii. ;-( john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:29 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Hauck's Old Web Page Folks: For Bob Green and those that did not get a copy of this one the first time around. john hauck mkIII hauck's holler, alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Hauck's Old Web Page Hi Folks: For those that have not seen this before, and may be interested in cross country flights in Kolb aircraft, my Son, Mike, has initially uploaded this old web page of my 1994 flight around the border of the US with a dog leg to Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. This is a copy of the articles in the EAA Experimenter Mag, May, June, July, August 1995. The magazine articles are available to read on line at the EAA web site. This web page is not completely without a few bugs. This is the first page: http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94.htm The four URLs at the bottom of the first page work. The others do not. Below are the four URLs for each of four parts. This is Part 1: http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94a.htm Part 2: http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94b.htm Part 3: http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94c.htm Part 4: http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/hauck94d.htm john hauck MKIII Titus, AL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:45 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck's Old Web Page At 06:18 PM 5/7/2010, John Hauck wrote: >...The only time it gets trailered is when I break it... I wish I could say the same. Perhaps when I'm retired... But thanks for posting the story. One of the best flying reads I've seen in awhile. -Dana -- Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:46 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots GOOD ON YOU, DANIEL! -- AND YOUR BUDS. On May 5, 2010, at 9:43 PM, daniel myers wrote: > Guys, here in central Florida, there are many young pilots. I went > to highschool where I met 4 other aviation enthusiasts. All 5 of us > obtained our pilots licenses by our senior year. As for me, I am > only 20 years old and have owned two aircraft. My first plane was a > FSII amphib and my current is a SeaRey amphibian. In the last 2 > years, I have gone from student pilot, to SeaRey Technical > Administrator, to an aircraft owner, to an aircraft broker > specializing in amphibious aircraft. As for my friends, we still > "hang out" and fly on a daily and weekly basis. The SeaRey > community loves us youngsters (I think). Anyways, maybe we need to > send some youngsters your way! > Regards, > Daniel Myers > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots > > From: ul15@juno.com > > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:17:21 -0700 > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > > > > I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young > guys are more into video games and computers. If they want to fly, > there is a game or simulation that would satisfy that desire > without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones > and ipods seem to satisfy everything they need. > > > > Ralph > > > > -------- > > Ralph B > > Original Firestar 447 > > N91493 E-AB > > 1000 hours > > 23 years flying it > > Kolbra 912UL > > N20386 > > 2 years flying it > > 120 hrs > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296885#296885 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Get started. > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:09 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Bill, I had no idea. You looked pretty spry when last we met. The very best of luck Fair winds, Russ do not archive On May 6, 2010, at 3:56 PM, lhaggerty wrote: > The best of Irish luck ta ya. Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: william sullivan > To: kolb list > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:30 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar > > I like the full enclosure, but I think I'm going to start with > the basics and go from there. I am still trimming weight to get as > close to a 103 spec as I can. There is no extended flying planned > for the time being, due to my deteriorating physical condition. > Nothing to do with the crash, but I am in the final stages of > degenerative disc disease plus a host of other problems. Up, > around, and down- maybe an hour out and back. Learn first, then > fun as I can get it. I am now about 3 years past my "never walk > again" date. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447 > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:56 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots What an interesting election you're having !! Fair winds, Russ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:24 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots My apologies List, meant for Pat alone -- Begin forwarded message: > From: russ kinne > Date: May 7, 2010 7:46:35 PM EDT > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots > > What an interesting election you're having !! > Fair winds, > Russ > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:25 PM PST US From: Beauford Tuton Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hauck's Old Web Page Brother John.... I would reckon about two MRE's a day... they are close to 3=2C000 calories per=2C you know... in the Kleenex Kolb=2C that would mean six rations for t he 160 mile round trip... plus the gin.... and the stogies... and the 40 gallons of gas... the tents...the TV=2C fridge=2C cots and the generator. .. might take two support vehicles... Yes =2C the commissary still sells MRE's... was in there at MacDill this af ternoon...they are $7.12 a ration. Most of the good ones were picked over...luckily=2C plenty of tuna casserol e left=2C though... Maxwell ought to have a good selection... do not archive beauford FF-076 Brandon=2C FL Glad you enjoyed the article. How many MRE's do you think it will take to make an 80 mile cross country? I need to find some fresh ones. Do you know if the Commissary still sells them? john hauck mkIII Titus=2C AL _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:12 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots It is a single, however I think the frame is two place, it has the 7 rib wing. I have firestar 1 kit that I picked about 4 years ago that I never got around to building. There a couple extra tubes on this one. It has the 503 on it. I bought it from the widow of Leman Neeper, in TX. He may have been on the list in the past? In the past I have had a quicksilver MXL and a Challenger clip wing II. I am looking forward to flying again. I have been out of it for about 3 years. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: chris davis To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots Jerry, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own Kolb and the aircraft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did you get single place or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on this list are full of information and experience and a bunch of intelligent good men and women. C Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Jerry Deckard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air. So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just go======================== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:04 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots Jerry , If you have never flown a Kolb but have flown a Quicksilver and a -Challenger HOLD ON because flying -a Kolb is a hole-nuther world =0A from what you have flown . Have fun!!!!-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AG lider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: Jerry Deckard =0AT o: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, May 7, 2010 9:33:32 PM=0ASubject: R e: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots=0A=0A=0AIt is a single, however I think th e frame is two place, it has the 7 rib wing.- I have firestar 1-kit tha t I picked about 4 years ago that I never got around to building. There a c ouple extra tubes on this one. It has the 503 on it.- I bought it from th e widow of Leman Neeper, in TX.- He may have been on the list in the past ?=0A-=0AIn the past I have had a quicksilver MXL- and a Challenger clip wing II. I am looking forward to flying again. I have been out of it for a bout 3 years. =0A-=0AJerry=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: chris davis =0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pilots=0A>=0A>=0A>--- Jerr y, Welcome to the Kolbers ! You will enjoy owning your own Kolb and the air craft fly like you dreamed about ! What model Kolb did you get single place or two? Hope it all goes well for you. The guys on this list are full of i nformation and experience and a bunch of intelligent good men and women. CC hris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash buildi ng Firefly =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jerry Deckard =0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>S ent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:20 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lack of pil tream.net>=0A>=0A>At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to bu y,- most wanted auto pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I wal ked.- Only a couple wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looki ng like they were going somewhere instead of actual time in the air.=0A>=0A >So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just go====== ================== =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http ==0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:27 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Related Web Sites Hi Folks: Thanks to George Alexander, my web page is working better. He has all the url's working and will get some of the other problems sorted soon. http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/ This is the url for George's web page. 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