---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/11/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Insurance (Watkinsdw) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: Prop clearance (Jason Omelchuck) 3. 07:37 AM - Re: 912 installation (icrashrc) 4. 07:45 AM - We're getting closer... (icrashrc) 5. 11:10 AM - Re: Prop clearance (Ralph B) 6. 12:40 PM - Flight regulations at Airventure (dutrac) 7. 12:56 PM - Re: Insurance (John Hauck) 8. 01:04 PM - Re: Ultrastar Aileron Gap Seal (John Hauck) 9. 01:11 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (John Hauck) 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: 912 installation (John Hauck) 11. 01:16 PM - Exhaust pipe coating (Bob Kravis) 12. 03:01 PM - Re: We're getting closer... (cspoke) 13. 03:48 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (Duane Ransdell) 14. 04:00 PM - Re: Exhaust pipe coating (Richard Pike) 15. 04:05 PM - Re: Ultrastar Aileron Gap Seal (carl tosh) 16. 04:06 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (John Hauck) 17. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: 912 installation (chris davis) 18. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: 912 installation (John Hauck) 19. 04:57 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (chris davis) 20. 05:24 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (John Hauck) 21. 05:37 PM - Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (Ralph B) 22. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Flight regulations at Airventure (John Hauck) 23. 07:22 PM - Re: 912 installation (albertakolbmk3) 24. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Firestar (Greg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Insurance From: "Watkinsdw" Greetings, fellow Kolbers, Not sure how many of us insure our birds, but if you do, my recent experience may be useful. When Jeff and I bought our MK3-C last May, we had no taildragger time, and got about 5 hours of excellent instruction from a gentleman in Tennessee we all know, Jim Kmet. We're both private pilots, with about about 150 and 400 hours total time respectively. Throw in my instrument rating, and we got the best deal we could find through EAA-recommended Falcon insurance (using U.S. Specialty Insur.) for hull coverage and standard liability coverage. The price? $1700. When renewal time came up, we were expecting a substantial discount, since we now have about 40 hours each in our Kolb. The discount was 1%... Despite our efforts to get Falcon to shop a more affordable policy, they said this was the only deal out there. Even when I told them that Jeff was not going to be renewing, leaving only one pilot to cover, no joy. I then checked out another agency that advertises in AOPA Flight Training magazine. The company is Aircraft Insurance Resources (www.air-pros.com). and they found me a policy w/ comparable coverage for $1130. The guy I talked to is Joe Cacho, and the # is 877-247-7767. Good price, good service- moral of the story, the EAA-recommended company isn't necessarily the best. Good luck, and may we never have any claims! Dave MK3-C w/ Rotax 912ULS KPMP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297343#297343 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearance From: "Jason Omelchuck" Hello Greg, I would recommend that you get some dual in a ultralight style aircraft before you fly the Kolb. That 250 hours in a GA airplane will have trained your muscles in habits that will cause you problems landing a Kolb. If you choose not to get training, I would suggest your first few landings you do with lots of power and then back off the power as you gain experience. When I say lots of power, I mean 2/3 throttle all the way down approach until you touch down. It may lengthen your ground roll to 700' on pavement :) Be safe Jason Kolb MKIII Yamaha Powered Portland, OR gtaylor35918(at)roadrunne wrote: > Ralph, > Thanks for the info, and I was planning on doing the engine run up that > you referred to to verify that the engine is i good standing. I am a private > pilot with about 250 hrs and an IFR rating but I can see that I will have a > lot to learn with this Kolb, but it looks like it will be a blast. By the > way can you tell me if there is a good place to get a good prop at a > reaonable price? > > Greg > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297352#297352 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation From: "icrashrc" I can't answer all your questions at the moment but here's a few pictures. http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/EngineInstallation.htm 68" 3 blade Warp, 4" extension from Saber. I don't remember the measurement but there's plenty of boom clearance for a 70" prop. Seems like John H. had a 72" Warp on for a while. Johns is a Mark 3 while mine is a Mark 3 Xtra. -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297353#297353 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: We're getting closer... From: "icrashrc" Paul and I are hoping to have the plane @ Airventure this year but there's still much to be done. -------- Scott www.ill-EagleAviation.com do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297354#297354 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3x_build_1713_658.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearance From: "Ralph B" Greg, Jason's comments are right on. You should get some dual in a light aircraft before flying the Kolb. Your first landings should be with power on at about 4000 RPM with the 377. Most ultralight-like aircraft are so light, they tend to lose speed fast. The Firestar stall speed is about 25 mph and cruises at 60 mph, 5800 RPM with the 377. GA pilots that transition to a Kolb w/o any training usually tend to flare early on landing and bend the aluminum landing gear. This is very common and it doesn't need to happen. There isn't much of a flare with the lighter Kolbs. Heavier ones will have more of a flare such as my Kolbra. Have fun and be safe ... Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297367#297367 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure From: "dutrac" Hey all, I'm sure I could research this out, but thought I would ask the group first and see what I can glean from your experience. I have given some thought to trailering into Oshkosh with my Kolb MKII with the hope that I could perhaps fly around the patch like they do there. Just wondering how much red tape you have to go through to actually do that. Any input is appreciated. Thanks, Duane Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297376#297376 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:12 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Insurance I then checked out another agency that advertises in AOPA Flight Training magazine. The company is Aircraft Insurance Resources (www.air-pros.com). and they found me a policy w/ comparable coverage for $1130. The guy I talked to is Joe Cacho, and the # is 877-247-7767. Good price, good service- moral of the story, the EAA-recommended company isn't necessarily the best. Good luck, and may we never have any claims! Dave MK3-C w/ Rotax 912ULS KPMP Hi Dave W/Gang: Just renewed with Falcon for 1,200.00. Been with them for about 6 or 7 years. My premium is down from 1,500.00 when I first started with them. Just renewed a couple months ago. Will keep Joe Cacho's number and give him a call next year to see if he can beat what I have. Thanks for the info. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:44 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Aileron Gap Seal When do you attach the ailerons and the gap seal and is the gap seal just tape as used on the rest of the covering job? What I am asking is if you attach the gap seal with poly brush or poly tack then you have to have the hinges and ailerons on before spraying polyspray and paint. Thanks,Carl Tosh Carl T/Gang: After completion of wing and aileron construction, fit and predrill the aileron hinges. Cover and process both pieces through polybrush. Attach gap seal with polytak. Process gap seal with polybrush. Attach hinges. Shoot the polyspray and finish paint. This process is more difficult than attaching bookbinding tape for gap seal after finish paint and attachment of hinges. The right wing of my MKIII is original. Gap seal was attached 18 years and 3,000+ hours ago. It is still serviceable. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure Just wondering how much red tape you have to go through to actually do that. Any input is appreciated. Thanks, Duane Duane/Gang: Not too much red tape. When you get to the Oshkosh UL area, go to the red barn, UL Hq. Register your aircraft. Sit in on the next fixed wing briefing at UL flight ops. You are good to go. Based on slow times in the UL area at Oshkosh the last couple years that I did not attend, I feel they will welcome your presence. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:07 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation 68" 3 blade Warp, 4" extension from Saber. I don't remember the measurement but there's plenty of boom clearance for a 70" prop. Seems like John H. had a 72" Warp on for a while. Johns is a Mark 3 while mine is a Mark 3 Xtra. -------- Scott Scott/Gang: I had 3/4" prop tip to boom clearance running the 72" WD. Running a 71" now. Main thing I take into consideration is to get the engine as low in the mount as I can and still maintain sufficient clearance between the oil return banjo fitting and the root tube of the airframe. CG is not a problem. Recently replaced the 12 lb Maule Tundra Tailwheel with a 6 lb Maule solid rubber tailwheel. Did not do a weight and balance, but there was no significant difference in the handling of the mkIII between the two configurations. Biggest difference was transmission of rough field and pavement cracks between the 6" solid and the 8" pneumatic tailwheels. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Exhaust pipe coating From: Bob Kravis As my firefly was reviewed and inspected, I asked my mechanic friend if he thought ceramic coating the exhaust system was a good idea. The engine has less than 2 hrs. on it and no visible rust or soot build up so it seemed like the ideal time to do it. He suggested that I get feedback from the group before making a decision. I have seen that nearly all exhaust pipes on 447 and 503 Rotax engines get pretty rusty. I also noted that replacement parts are very expensive ($500+, no surprise). At $160 ceramic coating will keep it looking good but will it truly lengthen the life? Has anybody decided fore or against coating? What was your reasoning? bk ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: We're getting closer... From: "cspoke" Looks good Scott. I'm going to try to be at Airventure. Hope to see you guys there. -------- Craig Spoke Mark 111 Xtra VW Redrive Lillian, AL cspoke@gulftel.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297415#297415 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure From: Duane Ransdell Do you have to show your license or any of that? I should have it, but it will be close. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > Just wondering how much red tape you have to go through to actually do > that. Any input is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Duane > > > Duane/Gang: > > Not too much red tape. > > When you get to the Oshkosh UL area, go to the red barn, UL Hq. > > Register your aircraft. > > Sit in on the next fixed wing briefing at UL flight ops. > > You are good to go. > > Based on slow times in the UL area at Oshkosh the last couple years that I > did not attend, I feel they will welcome your presence. > > john hauck > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -- Sincerely, Duane www.amateurradiobluebook.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Exhaust pipe coating From: "Richard Pike" Ceramic coating is probably good, haven't tried it, no opinion. I use John Deere high temp exhaust paint, it is good for about three years, then I sand blast the exhaust system and recoat it. So far, so good. Oh yeah, a tennis ball crammed into the muffler socket opening is a real snug fit, a bit of duct tape seals it tight, plus more duct tape on the exhaust end. Sand in the muffler interacting with the 582's pulses would not be a good thing. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297421#297421 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:53 PM PST US From: carl tosh Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Aileron Gap Seal Thanks a million for some input John, that cleared a lot up for me . ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------------------- Carl Tos h-- carl.tosh@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 5/11/10, John Hauck wrote: From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar Aileron Gap Seal When do you attach the ailerons and the gap seal and is the gap seal just tape as used on the rest of the covering job? What I am asking is if you attach the gap seal with poly brush or poly tack then you have to have the hinges and ailerons on before spraying polyspray and paint. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks,Carl Tosh Carl T/Gang: After completion of wing and aileron construction, fit and predrill the aileron hinges. Cover and process both pieces through polybrush. Attach gap seal with polytak. Process gap seal with polybrush. Attach hinges. Shoot the polyspray and finish paint. This process is more difficult than attaching bookbinding tape for gap seal after finish paint and attachment of hinges.- The right wing of my MKIII is original.- Gap seal was attached 18 years and 3,000+ hours ago.- It is still serviceable. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:51 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure ----- Original Message ----- From: Duane Ransdell Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure Do you have to show your license or any of that? I should have it, but it will be close. Only if they ask for it.john hauckmkIIITitus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:05 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation John , just my wondering mind . Why the change havent you-been using the 12-lb for a while successfully? just better weight?=0A-Chris Davis=0AKX P 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:09:31 A M=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A68" 3 blade Warp, 4 " extension from Saber. I don't remember the measurement =0Abut there's ple nty of boom clearance for a 70" prop.=0ASeems like John H. had a 72" Warp o n for a while. Johns is a Mark 3 while =0Amine is a Mark 3 Xtra.=0A=0A----- ---=0AScott=0A=0A=0AScott/Gang:=0A=0AI had 3/4" prop tip to boom clearance running the 72" WD.=0A=0ARunning a 71" now.=0A=0AMain thing I take into con sideration is to get the engine as low in the =0Amount as I can and still m aintain sufficient clearance between the oil =0Areturn banjo fitting and th e root tube of the airframe.=0A=0ACG is not a problem.=0A=0ARecently replac ed the 12 lb Maule Tundra Tailwheel with a 6 lb Maule solid =0Arubber tailw heel.- Did not do a weight and balance, but there was no =0Asignificant d ifference in the handling of the mkIII between the two =0Aconfigurations. - Biggest difference was transmission of rough field and =0Apavement crac ks between the 6" solid and the 8" pneumatic tailwheels.=0A=0Ajohn hauck=0A =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation John , just my wondering mind . Why the change havent you been using the 12 lb for a while successfully? just better weight? Chris Davis Chris D/Gang: I have flown the Maule 8" Tundra Tailwheel for six years. Two reasons I changed back to the 6" solid Maule: -I wore out the bearings, pivot and wheel, in the 8". -Thought maybe...I could get a little better cruise with the much smaller 6". Results after the change - NONE. Like I have advocated for many years, Kolbs have very wide CG ranges. Sometimes numbers are not quite honest. Not telling anyone to do anything other than what the Kolb Factory plans and instruction indicate for building and flying Kolb aircraft, but I find them much better performers in the air than on paper. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:56 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure John , Will you be there this year ? bECKY AND i WERE VERY DISAPOINTED LAST YEAR- VERY FEW ULTRALIGHTS AND VERY FEW LIGHT SORT AIRCRAFT FLYING THAT IS . cHRIS=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled fro m crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASen t: Tue, May 11, 2010 3:55:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulation elmore.rr.com>=0A=0A=0AJust wondering how much red tape you have to go thro ugh to actually do =0Athat. Any input is appreciated.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ADua ne=0A=0A=0A=0ADuane/Gang:=0A=0ANot too much red tape.=0A=0AWhen you get to the Oshkosh UL area, go to the red barn, UL Hq.=0A=0ARegister your aircraft .=0A=0ASit in on the next fixed wing briefing at UL flight ops.=0A=0AYou ar e good to go.=0A=0ABased on slow times in the UL area at Oshkosh the last c ouple years that I =0Adid not attend, I feel they will welcome your presenc -======================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:44 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight regulations at Airventure John , Will you be there this year ? bECKY AND i WERE VERY DISAPOINTED LAST YEAR VERY FEW ULTRALIGHTS AND VERY FEW LIGHT SORT AIRCRAFT FLYING THAT IS . cHRIS Chris Davis Chris D/Gang: No plans until after I finish up my flight out West. Have moved my departure up to Sunday. That will give me 4.5 days instead of my normal 2.5 days to arrive by noon Thursday. The 2.5 day flight required two 8 hour and one 4 hour day, without any time for weather. Extending my time by two days will allow me to fly shorter days, take it easy if I get tired, or if I have to wait out winds and weather. Anxious to get to Monument Valley and see my old friends and make some new ones. Wish everyone could make this flyin. It is the best. john hauck mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight regulations at Airventure From: "Ralph B" As far as I know, EAA doesn't check for licenses. A couple of years ago, there were two exact Firestars sitting side by side. One had numbers and the other a fat ultralight w/o numbers. The EAA didn't do anything that I was aware of. The UL pilot flew it from the St Louis area without a GPS using pilotage and sectionals. They do look over your plane and if they see something wrong with it (like a missing bolt), they will ground it. They will also ground the pilot if you cross the runway w/o permission (must go the long way around along the sides). Attend the morning briefing and you should be good to go. They want you to call the red barn before flying in. Should you have a rough landing or damage anything upon landing, the FAA will be called on the spot. Be aware and keep your eyes open and stay at 300' in and out. The EAA has a good video on their website showing the pattern/route in and out of the convention for LSA's/UL's. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297440#297440 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:32 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight regulations at Airventure Check it out, Oskosh 2010 UL/Lightplane NOTAM: http://www.airventure.org/flying/ul.html john hauck mkIII - 3,008.5 hours 912ULS - 440.0 hours US - 385.0 hours FS - 1,135.0 hours Total: 4,825.5 The above is time in my Kolbs. Took 26 years to get that time in my Kolbs. That averages to 185.6 hours per year overall. However, there were approximately 7 years of down time due to building, rebuilding, and overhauling, all three aircraft. For the years my airplanes were actually flying, I averaged 254.0 hours per year. Since my last flight to Alaska, 2004, I have flown very little, other than my annual flight West which takes about 75.0 flight hours. Does not include hours in other Kolbs, GA, and military aircraft. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 installation From: "albertakolbmk3" Thanks for the info and pics. What is your measurement from the rear lord mount holes to the face of the prop flange. Just looking for a measurement so I know how far back to mount it on the lord mounts. Thanks, Tony -------- Tony B. Kolb MKIII C Rotax 582 C Gearbox 3.00:1 WD 66" 3 Blade Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297447#297447 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:57 PM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Bill, Could I get those plans also? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:01 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Bill Sullivan (Old) Kolb Co distributed a plan years ago on how to make a Lexan & Aluminum center section for the FireStars. This replaced the original Fabric & Zipper cover. If you provide me your mailing address I will send you a copy of it. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 5/10/2010 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: I am undecided as to whether or not to put a gap seal on it for now. 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