Kolb-List Digest Archive

Tue 05/18/10


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     1. 07:47 AM - Flap control detent (Richard Girard)
     2. 08:33 AM - Video of playing low level over some fields (Jason Omelchuck)
     3. 08:49 AM - Fw: Fw: Allison birthday flyin (EmailUser greg)
     4. 08:55 AM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (robert bean)
     5. 09:35 AM - Re: Flap control detent (ces308)
     6. 09:35 AM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Mike Welch)
     7. 10:41 AM - Re: Flap control detent (clrprop)
     8. 11:01 AM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Larry Cottrell)
     9. 11:21 AM - Re: Flap control detent (ces308)
    10. 11:58 AM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Mike Welch)
    11. 01:54 PM - Re: Flap control detent (b young)
    12. 02:01 PM - vidio of playing low lever over some fields (lhaggerty)
    13. 02:07 PM - Fw: Allison birthday flyin (EmailUser greg)
    14. 02:11 PM - Fw: Allison birthday flyin (EmailUser greg)
    15. 02:14 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Larry Cottrell)
    16. 02:57 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (lhaggerty)
    17. 03:06 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Ralph B)
    18. 05:19 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Mike Welch)
    19. 05:46 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (Jason Omelchuck)
    20. 06:12 PM - Re: Flap control detent (Richard Pike)
    21. 06:20 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (russ kinne)
    22. 06:54 PM - Re: Video of playing low level over some fields (robert bean)
    23. 08:46 PM - Monument Valley (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:47:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Flap control detent
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Now that I've seriously started using the flaps on my Mk III I've just about worn the detents on the track away and there are divots in the plate on the flap handle, too. They won't stay in the up position on the ground but air pressure holds them up in flight and last night the handle popped off the full flap detent twice. Mine is an early aircraft and the track and the plate on the flap handle are just .063" steel with no hardening or wear prevention. Any changes to new models? Fixes? I'm thinking of two ways to go, adapt an emergency brake handle out of a car and mount it down between the seats so the release button can be operated by a pilot of normal dexterity, or go with a 12V linear actuator. Either would give more adjustment than just the half and full settings (which I have no trouble with and am unsure of the value of more than that). Rick Girard


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    Time: 08:33:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Video of playing low level over some fields
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    Hello All, Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly in grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there and play around at low level. Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 Jason MKIII Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072


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    Time: 08:49:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Fwd: Allison birthday flyin
    From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com>
    ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com> Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: Fwd: Allison birthday flyin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com> Date: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Allison birthday flyin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <Candyandtylern@aol.com> Subject: Re: Allison birthday flyin i got the e-mail of your. In a message dated 3/16/2010 8:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@skyelink.com writes: Some people had problems opening last email maybe this one will work sorry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com> Subject: Allison birthday flyin Your invited to my second annual birthday fun fly weekend. Located at Ace Airfields in Farnham Va. Camping under the wing fun with food ,music & great fun with other pilots like yourselves. The fun starts on July 9-10. My airfield is located at GPS 76*36.071w & 37*56.500n close to the bay. The runway is a north< south orientation it is a 2000 ft grass strip with a line of trees on the west side of the field. When you approach from the north use left traffic from the south use right traffic. Stay over the trees on the west side of the field.I will be useing craf ch#12300 to help if needed. If you choose to drive use GPS king ln farnham va or give me a call (GREG) (804)450-6200 Hope you can attend. * *


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    Time: 08:55:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons. BB On 18, May 2010, at 11:31 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > Hello All, > > Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly in grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there and play around at low level. Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 > > Jason > MKIII > Portland, OR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:35:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap control detent
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Rick... I attached a spring to hold it in the detent...it works well...I will take a picture and post to see.... chris ambrose M3X/Jab 128.4 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298078#298078


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    Time: 09:35:34 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Bob=2C Old=2C or bold=2C but not old & bold. :-) Mike Welch > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields > From: slyck@frontiernet.net > Date: Tue=2C 18 May 2010 11:54:39 -0400 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons. > BB > > On 18=2C May 2010=2C at 11:31 AM=2C Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > > > > > Hello All=2C > > > > Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly i n grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there and play around a t low level. Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 > > > > Jason > > MKIII > > Portland=2C OR > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox . http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3


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    Time: 10:41:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap control detent
    From: "clrprop" <ktony@windstream.net>
    The plate on my handle is in good shape but the detents were worn. I cut out a new one and riveted it on top of the original. Keath T MkIII C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298084#298084


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    Time: 11:01:06 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    How old do you have to be to qualify? Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields Bob, Old, or bold, but not old & bold. :-) Mike Welch > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields > From: slyck@frontiernet.net > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:54:39 -0400 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons. > BB > > On 18, May 2010, at 11:31 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > <jason@trek-tech.com> > > > > Hello All, > > > > Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly in grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there and play around at low level. Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 > > > > Jason > > MKIII > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.


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    Time: 11:21:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap control detent
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    the spring works great...holds it tight to the detent and doesn't rattle around wearing it out....for what it's worth... As Roseanne Roseanna Danna says,"It just goes to show you,it's always something !" chris ambrose m3x/jab n327cs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298089#298089 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0074_190.jpg


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    Time: 11:58:16 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Larry=2C How old? It's an "always adjustable" age. It's just slightly older than me. Actually=2C if a guy insist on "bold" flying manuevers=2C he'll find out that the "old" comes a lot sooner than he thought!! After having done more than my share of stupid stunts=2C I am very lucky to still have all my fingers and toes=2C and eyes. I have=2C though=2C spe nt way too much time "recuperating". If I haven't learned much before now=2C I'd hope that I've learned not to underestimate flying=2C and especially stupid mistakes while flying. (PS. I haven't seen Jason's video yet=2C and in NO way am I referring to w hatever he did as stupid. I was just throwing in the old expression....old =2C bold=2C but not both) Mike Welch From: lcottrell@fmtcblue.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields How old do you have to be to qualify? Larry Note: If you forward this email=2C please delete the forwarding history=2C which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Tuesday=2C May 18=2C 2010 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields Bob=2C Old=2C or bold=2C but not old & bold. :-) Mike Welch > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields > From: slyck@frontiernet.net > Date: Tue=2C 18 May 2010 11:54:39 -0400 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons. > BB > > On 18=2C May 2010=2C at 11:31 AM=2C Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > > > > > Hello All=2C > > > > Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly i n grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there and play around a t low level. Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 > > > > Jason > > MKIII > > Portland=2C OR > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============= > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox . Get started. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hot mail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4


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    Time: 01:54:39 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Flap control detent
    Now that I've seriously started using the flaps on my Mk III I've just about worn the detents on the track away and there are divots in the plate on the flap handle, too. They won't stay in the up position on the ground but air pressure holds them up in flight and last night the handle popped off the full flap detent twice. Mine is an early aircraft and the track and the plate on the flap handle are just .063" steel with no hardening or wear prevention. Any changes to new models? Fixes? I'm thinking of two ways to go, adapt an emergency brake handle out of a car and mount it down between the seats so the release button can be operated by a pilot of normal dexterity, or go with a 12V linear actuator. Either would give more adjustment than just the half and full settings (which I have no trouble with and am unsure of the value of more than that). Rick Girard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Years ago I visited my brother and we visited some of his flying friends, they were using power window motors for flap actuators. When I put my mkiii together, I cut the bottom of the square detents with an angle cut up and toward the left. and cut the flap handle to match, this way the more pressure on the flaps pulls the flap handle into the notch tighter. Boyd Young MKIII Ps The weather guessers are forecasting the Weather for MV as ok, not stellar, but ok , northern utah a bit iffy to get out. My flying choices are rain or wind or I could drive down. I will be checking the weather close. Do not archive.


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    Time: 02:01:05 PM PST US
    From: "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: vidio of playing low lever over some fields
    Reminds me of my days in Kansas chasing coyotes around the fields. Pete


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    Time: 02:07:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Fwd: Allison birthday flyin
    From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com>
    ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <Candyandtylern@aol.com> Subject: Re: Allison birthday flyin i got the e-mail of your. In a message dated 3/16/2010 8:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@skyelink.com writes: Some people had problems opening last email maybe this one will work sorry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com> Subject: Allison birthday flyin Your invited to my second annual birthday fun fly weekend. Located at Ace Airfields in Farnham Va. Camping under the wing fun with food ,music & great fun with other pilots like yourselves. The fun starts on July 9-10. My airfield is located at GPS 76*36.071w & 37*56.500n close to the bay. The runway is a north< south orientation it is a 2000 ft grass strip with a line of trees on the west side of the field. When you approach from the north use left traffic from the south use right traffic. Stay over the trees on the west side of the field.I will be useing craf ch#12300 to help if needed. If you choose to drive use GPS king ln farnham va or give me a call (GREG) (804)450-6200 Hope you can attend.


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    Time: 02:11:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Fwd: Allison birthday flyin
    From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com>
    ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <Candyandtylern@aol.com> Subject: Re: Allison birthday flyin i got the e-mail of your. In a message dated 3/16/2010 8:04:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@skyelink.com writes: Some people had problems opening last email maybe this one will work sorry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EmailUser greg <greg@skyelink.com> Subject: Allison birthday flyin Your invited to my second annual birthday fun fly weekend. Located at Ace Airfields in Farnham Va. Camping under the wing fun with food ,music & great fun with other pilots like yourselves. The fun starts on July 9-10. My airfield is located at GPS 76*36.071w & 37*56.500n close to the bay. The runway is a north< south orientation it is a 2000 ft grass strip with a line of trees on the west side of the field. When you approach from the north use left traffic from the south use right traffic. Stay over the trees on the west side of the field.I will be useing craf ch#12300 to help if needed. If you choose to drive use GPS king ln farnham va or give me a call (GREG) (804)450-6200 Hope you can attend.


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    Time: 02:14:18 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    First let me give a disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to get under anyone's skin, or belittle any ones thoughts. However I think there is a bit of misconception at work here, as follows - Most of the things that we use as a guide to flying Kolbs are actually very valid when applied to Spam Cans. That same video, if flown in a Cessna150 would very well qualify as more than a bit reckless, when flown in a Kolb is only exhilarating. I would classify all of that terrain as a great landing area. His only "challenge" would be to get the nose down when the engine quit so that he didn't stall. For him to actually glide to a road or other suitable "recognized" landing area, he would have to be somewhere around 1500 to 1000 feet, if not more. My point is that the glide ratio of our planes is only going to serve as a delaying tactic at best. In most cases, at least where I fly, any more altitude than that required to set up to best glide is only prolonging the suspense. A GA plane's purpose is to go places fast. What ever fun and excitement that you can achieve with that is its only reward. Kolbs however, are designed to be fun to fly, low and slow (comparatively). Their purpose is not in long distance, however there are always over achievers in any sport, right John? Their purpose is in the exhilaration of flight, and as such what would be carelessness in a 150 is merely exciting in a Kolb. Now I of course realize the danger in flying where there are no landing areas. I still look for the best spot even so, but if there are none, and that bothers you, stay in the pattern at the airport. I have to admit that I am an adrenalin junky, and some day you may read that I am no longer among you. I accept that, there is a cost for everything that is worth while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSiJGg4FhM Now this video, would qualify for the "Old Bold" statement. However, even had I been at less than 5000 feet agl, I still would end up in a Sage bush somewhere, it would just take longer to get there. Larry, semi old! Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields Larry, How old? It's an "always adjustable" age. It's just slightly older than me. Actually, if a guy insist on "bold" flying manuevers, he'll find out that the "old" comes a lot sooner than he thought!! After having done more than my share of stupid stunts, I am very lucky to still have all my fingers and toes, and eyes. I have, though, spent way too much time "recuperating". If I haven't learned much before now, I'd hope that I've learned not to underestimate flying, and especially stupid mistakes while flying. (PS. I haven't seen Jason's video yet, and in NO way am I referring to whatever he did as stupid. I was just throwing in the old expression....old, bold, but not both) Mike Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----


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    Time: 02:57:29 PM PST US
    From: "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Thanks, very nice ultralight flying, the kind I enjoy. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields First let me give a disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to get under anyone's skin, or belittle any ones thoughts. However I think there is a bit of misconception at work here, as follows - Most of the things that we use as a guide to flying Kolbs are actually very valid when applied to Spam Cans. That same video, if flown in a Cessna150 would very well qualify as more than a bit reckless, when flown in a Kolb is only exhilarating. I would classify all of that terrain as a great landing area. His only "challenge" would be to get the nose down when the engine quit so that he didn't stall. For him to actually glide to a road or other suitable "recognized" landing area, he would have to be somewhere around 1500 to 1000 feet, if not more. My point is that the glide ratio of our planes is only going to serve as a delaying tactic at best. In most cases, at least where I fly, any more altitude than that required to set up to best glide is only prolonging the suspense. A GA plane's purpose is to go places fast. What ever fun and excitement that you can achieve with that is its only reward. Kolbs however, are designed to be fun to fly, low and slow (comparatively). Their purpose is not in long distance, however there are always over achievers in any sport, right John? Their purpose is in the exhilaration of flight, and as such what would be carelessness in a 150 is merely exciting in a Kolb. Now I of course realize the danger in flying where there are no landing areas. I still look for the best spot even so, but if there are none, and that bothers you, stay in the pattern at the airport. I have to admit that I am an adrenalin junky, and some day you may read that I am no longer among you. I accept that, there is a cost for everything that is worth while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSiJGg4FhM Now this video, would qualify for the "Old Bold" statement. However, even had I been at less than 5000 feet agl, I still would end up in a Sage bush somewhere, it would just take longer to get there. Larry, semi old! Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields Larry, How old? It's an "always adjustable" age. It's just slightly older than me. Actually, if a guy insist on "bold" flying manuevers, he'll find out that the "old" comes a lot sooner than he thought!! After having done more than my share of stupid stunts, I am very lucky to still have all my fingers and toes, and eyes. I have, though, spent way too much time "recuperating". If I haven't learned much before now, I'd hope that I've learned not to underestimate flying, and especially stupid mistakes while flying. (PS. I haven't seen Jason's video yet, and in NO way am I referring to whatever he did as stupid. I was just throwing in the old expression....old, bold, but not both) Mike Welch ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---


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    Time: 03:06:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    From: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com>
    This is the kind of flying I do during the winter over frozen lakes. I don't worry about powerlines over frozen lakes. During the summer months, there are towers and and other objects to be concerned with over land areas. It is true that slower aircraft have time to react to such things. PPC pilots fly low all the time, but there have been a few that have hit lines. I know of one that flew over an electrical substation and the backup generator exhaust just happened to kick in as he was flying over and deflated his chute. He ended up in the substation and luckily he wasn't electrocuted. Another danger in flying low is forgetting about your wings. In a bank, a wing could catch on something and cause the plane to cartwheel. Isn't this what happened to John Williamson? Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298107#298107


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    Time: 05:19:04 PM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Larry=2C guys=2C After I posted my last post=2C I went and watched Jason's video. Persona lly=2C I wouldn't classify his flying as "bold". At least=2C it's not=2C in my opinion. I'd call it more like a "heckava good time". I did somethi ng almost identical to his low-level flying with an instructor in a Flight Star (me flying=2C and quite a bit lower). At any rate=2C it was fun!!!! Being in COMPLETE control of an airplane=2C even if by some standards as risky=2C doesn't mean it is entirely unsafe. If Jason were to lose engine power=2C at most=2C he'd probably just destr oy his plane. For my understanding of "bold"=2C I'd say it includes most acts that coul d usually be described as "stupid"........after the fact. Best regards=2C Mike Welch From: lcottrell@fmtcblue.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields First let me give a disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to get under anyo ne's skin=2C or belittle any ones thoughts. However I think there is a bit of misconception at work here=2C as follows - Most of the things that we use as a guide to flying Kolbs are actually very valid when applied to Spam Cans. That same video=2C if flown in a Cessna15 0 would very well qualify as more than a bit reckless=2C when flown in a Ko lb is only exhilarating. I would classify all of that terrain as a great l anding area. His only "challenge" would be to get the nose down when the en gine quit so that he didn't stall. For him to actually glide to a road or o ther suitable "recognized" landing area=2C he would have to be somewhere ar ound 1500 to 1000 feet=2C if not more. My point is that the glide ratio of our planes is only going to serve as a delaying tactic at best. In most ca ses=2C at least where I fly=2C any more altitude than that required to set up to best glide is only prolonging the suspense. A GA plane's purpose is to go places fast. What ever fun and excitement tha t you can achieve with that is its only reward. Kolbs however=2C are design ed to be fun to fly=2C low and slow (comparatively). Their purpose is not i n long distance=2C however there are always over achievers in any sport=2C right John? Their purpose is in the exhilaration of flight=2C and as such w hat would be carelessness in a 150 is merely exciting in a Kolb. Now I of course realize the danger in flying where there are no landing are as. I still look for the best spot even so=2C but if there are none=2C and that bothers you=2C stay in the pattern at the airport. I have to admit tha t I am an adrenalin junky=2C and some day you may read that I am no longer among you. I accept that=2C there is a cost for everything that is worth wh ile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSiJGg4FhM Now this video=2C would qualify for the "Old Bold" statement. However=2C even had I been at less t han 5000 feet agl=2C I still would end up in a Sage bush somewhere=2C it wo uld just take longer to get there. Larry=2C semi old! Note: If you forward this email=2C please delete the forwarding history=2C which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Tuesday=2C May 18=2C 2010 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields Larry=2C How old? It's an "always adjustable" age. It's just slightly older than me. Actually=2C if a guy insist on "bold" flying manuevers=2C he'll find out that the "old" comes a lot sooner than he thought!! After having done more than my share of stupid stunts=2C I am very lucky to still have all my fingers and toes=2C and eyes. I have=2C though=2C spe nt way too much time "recuperating". If I haven't learned much before now=2C I'd hope that I've learned not to underestimate flying=2C and especially stupid mistakes while flying. (PS. I haven't seen Jason's video yet=2C and in NO way am I referring to w hatever he did as stupid. I was just throwing in the old expression....old =2C bold=2C but not both) Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


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    Time: 05:46:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    Hello All, We have a pretty wide river here and it is lined on both sides by trees. Last year I was feeling my oats and decided to fly down it at low level. I did that for about 1/2 mile and it dawned on me that if the engine quit, I would loose everything I have worked for for 15 years (thats how long it took me to build my airplane). I do not have the means to replace it and I immediately climbed out from between the trees and went over to play in my nice safe field. Not Bold Jason MKIII Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298124#298124


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    Time: 06:12:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap control detent
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    As long as you are modifying the handle, here is an alternative, gives you as many options for flap positions as you want to drill holes, and that roll pin will last longer than either one of us... http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg3.htm Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298126#298126


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    Time: 06:20:25 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Larry, I think it's being non-bold that counts the most. Russ do not archive On May 18, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > How old do you have to be to qualify? > Larry > > Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding > history, which includes my email address. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Welch > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:32 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields > > Bob, > > Old, or bold, but not old & bold. :-) > > Mike Welch > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of playing low level over some fields > > From: slyck@frontiernet.net > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:54:39 -0400 > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > > > > More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons. > > BB > > > > On 18, May 2010, at 11:31 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > > tech.com> > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted > mostly in grass or other grass like crops. I love to go out there > and play around at low level. Below is a link to a video for your > viewing pleasure. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4 > > > > > > Jason > > > MKIII > > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============= > > > > > > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Get started. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > >


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    Time: 06:54:40 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields
    Like a buddy of mine said when we were doing hover practice in the Hughes 269, "just a sneeze away from disaster" :) BB do not archive On 18, May 2010, at 8:16 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > Larry, guys, > > After I posted my last post, I went and watched Jason's video. Personally, I wouldn't classify his flying as "bold". At least, it's not, in my opinion. I'd call it more like a "heckava good time". I did something almost identical to his low-level flying with an instructor in a Flight Star (me flying, and quite a bit lower). At any rate, it was fun!!!! > Being in COMPLETE control of an airplane, even if by some standards as risky, doesn't mean it is entirely unsafe. > If Jason were to lose engine power, at most, he'd probably just destroy his plane. > > For my understanding of "bold", I'd say it includes most acts that could usually be described as "stupid"........after the fact. > > Best regards, > Mike Welch


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    Time: 08:46:00 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Monument Valley
    Well Karen and I are out the door early tomorrow for MV. Driving in case you are wondering. You all still have time to make it. See you there, Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.




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