---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/01/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:51 AM - Now that I've stopped shaking (Richard Girard) 2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. (John Hauck) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Now that I've stopped shaking (robert bean) 4. 06:47 AM - rotor fly in at brigham city (b young) 5. 09:23 AM - Cuyuna engine failure (mark.shimei) 6. 10:25 AM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (b young) 7. 10:42 AM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (Robert Laird) 8. 11:07 AM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (John Hauck) 9. 11:37 AM - Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. (Jason Omelchuck) 10. 11:43 AM - Middle Tennessee Home with Airstrip (Ratherfly) 11. 11:43 AM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (lhaggerty) 12. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. (frank goodnight) 13. 02:40 PM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (Carlos) 14. 03:34 PM - Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. (Ralph B) 15. 04:03 PM - Adriel Heisey Plane Just listed on Barnstormers (Eugene Zimmerman) 16. 04:25 PM - Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. (ces308) 17. 05:12 PM - up-sizing tires and wheels (Bob Kravis) 18. 05:39 PM - Re: up-sizing tires and wheels (Richard Girard) 19. 07:02 PM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (Larry Cottrell) 20. 09:02 PM - Anyone going to Oshkosh? (dutrac) 21. 09:11 PM - Re: Cuyuna engine failure (Mrikio) 22. 09:21 PM - Re: Monument Valley Trip blog (Duane Ransdell) 23. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 24. 11:07 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Now that I've stopped shaking From: Richard Girard Yesterday as I was departing a local fly in my Kolb Mk III, Zulu Delta, probably saved my life. Without the great visibility and fast response to control inputs I would have been tee boned by an idiot GA pilot making a blind side high speed fly by. It happened like this. It was mid afternoon and over half the aircraft had already departed. Each departing aircraft had made a fly by, some in the direction of the pattern (we were taking off on 17) but some of the early departures had come in for a low pass from the south flying back toward the crowd. It was a pretty diverse collection of planes, the Stearmans, 172's, a Bonanza, the Luscombes, a Cessna 140, and a full size Fokker DR 1 replica had already gone. The departure end of 17 is blocked from view to the west by hangars located close to the runway's edge. There was a lull in the take offs as a gyroplane driver made preparations to load his busted Benson (broken prerotor casting) on its trailer on the apron of the most southerly hangar. I was parked just south of him so I decided to leave then to give him room to turn around once he was loaded up. I back taxied to the end, as had everyone else who parked along the runway, to make sure I didn't hit the large puddle in the middle of the runway. I made my normal half flap take off and was off the ground just beyond the end of the hangars. I started the homesick angel climb that makes the Mk III so much fun and was just about to raise the flaps when I saw the 150 approaching from the west (my right) about 30 to 40 degrees off the runway heading. Full forward stick took me right back to the deck, although I didn't touch the mains on the ground, and I resumed the take off almost immediately. I didn't have time to see if the 150 driver made any evasive action, the encounter was over so quickly, and I was too busy flying to track him. I'd estimate he came within 100 feet of causing a mid air collision. So thanks Homer and all the fine folks who designed and developed such a neat little airplane. It surely got me out of a jam yesterday. Rick Girard PS The webbing has bite marks and stains that can't be removed, so I guess I'll have to make a new pilot's seat now rather than waiting for winter. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:34 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. > I hope you get back in the air soon John. Your Kolb is indeed very fast, > both mine and the other MK III here in Miami cruise at 70 MPH. It just > feels really good there, I could do 75, but after that I just hit a wall > and am burning so much more gas to and almost full power to hit 80. I > am very happy with 70 MPH at less than 4 GPH and 4200 RPM cruise, it feels > perfect. The other Kolb, Fat albert has an 80 HP 912, and cruises at > almost the exact same speed as mine. > > Mike mike b/gang: Thanks to you and all the other Kolbers who have expressed your concern about my recent unfortune. Wonder what the difference is? Right now I know four other MKIIIc's that fly like mine: Gary Haley, 912ULS John Bickham, 912UL Bruce Chaisson, 912ULS Steven Green, 912ULS john h ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:04 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Now that I've stopped shaking Thom R and I met at D52 (geneseo) elevation 560, runway length 4695', grass. Lovely calm, sunny sunday. A champ and a citabria doing circuits. Departed for the breakfast at 01G (Perry-Warsaw) elev 1500 only a few miles uphill away. By the time we got there I had reached pattern altitude doing 57mph all the way, Thom patiently cruising off my left. All the traffic was mannerly and observed proper direction including the one low fly by from a red Waco. Good day, no unscheduled landings :) BB MkIII, suzuki On 1, Jun 2010, at 8:36 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Yesterday as I was departing a local fly in my Kolb Mk III, Zulu Delta, probably saved my life. Without the great visibility and fast response to control inputs I would have been tee boned by an idiot GA pilot making a blind side high speed fly by. > It happened like this. It was mid afternoon and over half the aircraft had already departed. Each departing aircraft had made a fly by, some in the direction of the pattern (we were taking off on 17) but some of the early departures had come in for a low pass from the south flying back toward the crowd. It was a pretty diverse collection of planes, the Stearmans, 172's, a Bonanza, the Luscombes, a Cessna 140, and a full size Fokker DR 1 replica had already gone. The departure end of 17 is blocked from view to the west by hangars located close to the runway's edge. There was a lull in the take offs as a gyroplane driver made preparations to load his busted Benson (broken prerotor casting) on its trailer on the apron of the most southerly hangar. I was parked just south of him so I decided to leave then to give him room to turn around once he was loaded up. I back taxied to the end, as had everyone else who parked along the runway, to make sure I didn't hit the large puddle in the middle of the runway. I made my normal half flap take off and was off the ground just beyond the end of the hangars. I started the homesick angel climb that makes the Mk III so much fun and was just about to raise the flaps when I saw the 150 approaching from the west (my right) about 30 to 40 degrees off the runway heading. Full forward stick took me right back to the deck, although I didn't touch the mains on the ground, and I resumed the take off almost immediately. I didn't have time to see if the 150 driver made any evasive action, the encounter was over so quickly, and I was too busy flying to track him. I'd estimate he came within 100 feet of causing a mid air collision. > So thanks Homer and all the fine folks who designed and developed such a neat little airplane. It surely got me out of a jam yesterday. > > Rick Girard > > PS The webbing has bite marks and stains that can't be removed, so I guess I'll have to make a new pilot's seat now rather than waiting for winter. > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:42 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: rotor fly in at brigham city there will be a "rotors over the Rockies 2010" fly in June 10 - 12 with early bird camping starting Tuesday. I have been asked by the event organizer to make sure I am around with my Kolb. in addition to the rotor craft fly in. Saturday is an airport appreciation day and open house. all are welcome,,,, if anyone has interest I have more details. Boyd Young MKIII do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:38 AM PST US From: "mark.shimei" Subject: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:22 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long after shutoff did you check for carb ice. If it were more than a couple minuets. It may have already melted. Not sure why lower rpm in next takeoff, you said egt temps was normal on landing were rpm's ok ???? Had you drained float bowls before next takeoff? You said the temp was 74 deg f and humidity???? You said front was 70 deg hotter than rear. Was the front 70 deg hotter than normal??? or was the rear 70 deg colder than normal??? Boyd Young MMIII ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure From: Robert Laird I had similar symptoms with a Rotax 447... After suffering with it for a fe w weeks, decided it was a fuel delivery problem (even though all other tests, as yours, looked okay). Once I simplified and replaced my fuel lines, the problem went away. I also got rid of anything with check valves in it (except for the Facet). -- Robert On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, b young wrote: > Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has > had a Cuyuna. > > > I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it > happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months .. > > > Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to > idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to > hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. > > > Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. > > > Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. > > > Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take > off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 > difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? > > > I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this > engine running for MANY hours. > > > Im up for ANY type of info/theories > > > Mark in Florida > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > How long after shutoff did you check for carb ice. If it were more than a > couple minuets. It may have already melted. > > > Not sure why lower rpm in next takeoff, you said egt temps was normal on > landing were rpm=92s ok ???? > > > Had you drained float bowls before next takeoff? > > > You said the temp was 74 deg f and humidity???? > > > You said front was 70 deg hotter than rear. Was the front 70 deg hott er > than normal??? or was the rear 70 deg colder than normal??? > > > Boyd Young > > MMIII > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure MessageMark/Gang: If it was me, I'd pull the engine down and insure the rings are not stuck or trying to stick, and/or a piston was not scored or scuffed. Two strokes are experts at suckering us into believing they are healthy, just prior to seizure. I have been suckered several times over the years. There are many other things that could be your engines problems. john h ----- Original Message ----- From: mark.shimei To: Kolb List Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. From: "Jason Omelchuck" Hello all, I would be very interested in how fast people are able to cruise in their Kolbs. State the model of Kolb, engine, RPM, airspeed and any other notes you may feel are revelant. I guess John has gone first, so I will go second. MKIII, Yamaha Vector, 7000rpm, 70MPH. My engine does not have a published RPM so I cruise between 7000 and 7300RPM at 70mph to 75mph. If I fly faster than 75, my right door dimples in. Jason John Hauck wrote: > > > I hope you get back in the air soon John. Your Kolb is indeed very fast, > > both mine and the other MK III here in Miami cruise at 70 MPH. It just > > feels really good there, I could do 75, but after that I just hit a wall > > and am burning so much more gas to and almost full power to hit 80. I > > am very happy with 70 MPH at less than 4 GPH and 4200 RPM cruise, it feels > > perfect. The other Kolb, Fat albert has an 80 HP 912, and cruises at > > almost the exact same speed as mine. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > mike b/gang: > > Thanks to you and all the other Kolbers who have expressed your concern > about my recent unfortune. > > Wonder what the difference is? > > Right now I know four other MKIIIc's that fly like mine: > > Gary Haley, 912ULS > John Bickham, 912UL > Bruce Chaisson, 912ULS > Steven Green, 912ULS > > john h Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299600#299600 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Middle Tennessee Home with Airstrip From: "Ratherfly" Always trying to play to a new crowd, I got to thinking. Who would be interested (besides every day Cessna Pilots) in living in a home with it's own airstrip. Dawned on me that someone who BUILD aircraft would love this place even more. HUGE 60X90 hangar, attached to a 3000 sf contemporary home. One could tinker and work on their airplane at all hours. If you are interested in learning more, I have built a website for my friends to showcase this property. It is, for sale by owner. $539,000 for the home/hangar/airstrip that includes 21.15 acres of pristine pilot paradise. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299603#299603 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/26_167.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:51 AM PST US From: "lhaggerty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure MessageFuel pump rebuild kit is a goo idea. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: mark.shimei To: Kolb List Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:17 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:44 PM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. Hi All, Firestar2-- no cover on cage , no windscreen, no nose bowl. HKS700 engine Gross 750lbs -- 50 mph @ 5000 rpm about 2.8 gal per hr. Frank Goodnight Brownsville , TX ________________________________ From: Jason Omelchuck Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 1:36:45 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. Hello all, I would be very interested in how fast people are able to cruise in their Kolbs. State the model of Kolb, engine, RPM, airspeed and any other notes you may feel are revelant. I guess John has gone first, so I will go second. MKIII, Yamaha Vector, 7000rpm, 70MPH. My engine does not have a published RPM so I cruise between 7000 and 7300RPM at 70mph to 75mph. If I fly faster than 75, my right door dimples in. Jason John Hauck wrote: > > > I hope you get back in the air soon John. Your Kolb is indeed very fast, > > both mine and the other MK III here in Miami cruise at 70 MPH. It just > > feels really good there, I could do 75, but after that I just hit a wall > > and am burning so much more gas to and almost full power to hit 80. I > > am very happy with 70 MPH at less than 4 GPH and 4200 RPM cruise, it feels > > perfect. The other Kolb, Fat albert has an 80 HP 912, and cruises at > > almost the exact same speed as mine. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > mike b/gang: > > Thanks to you and all the other Kolbers who have expressed your concern > about my recent unfortune. > > Wonder what the difference is? > > Right now I know four other MKIIIc's that fly like mine: > > Gary Haley, 912ULS > John Bickham, 912UL > Bruce Chaisson, 912ULS > Steven Green, 912ULS > > john h Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299600#299600 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:42 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure MessageHi Mark, The first thing I would check is the compression of each cylinder. They should be pretty close to the same amount, within 5 to 10 psi of each other. Should the values be beyond those then there is a possibility of a scored cylinder or stuck or broken rings. The rings can be checked by removing the exhaust to expose the pistons and you can carefully prod/poke each ring with a popsicle stick to check that they are floating and not stuck. The exhaust side of the rings are the most vulnerable due to the heat they are exposed to. If your engine is okay then you start check for fuel issues and or air leaks/ fuel leaks that could restrict power output. Good luck with your engine and please tell us what you found/ and the solution(s) to your engine problem. Best Regards, Carlos G AKA BaronVonEvil. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark.shimei To: Kolb List Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. From: "Ralph B" Jason Omelchuck > Hello all, > > I would be very interested in how fast people are able to cruise in their Kolbs. State the model of Kolb, engine, RPM, airspeed and any other notes you may feel are revelant. I guess John has gone first, so I will go second. > > MKIII, Yamaha Vector, 7000rpm, 70MPH. My engine does not have a published RPM so I cruise between 7000 and 7300RPM at 70mph to 75mph. If I fly faster than 75, my right door dimples in. > > Jason The Kolbra cruises 80mph 5000 RPM 80hp 912 The Firestar cruises 60mph 5000 RPM 40hp 447 Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299645#299645 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Adriel Heisey Plane Just listed on Barnstormers From: "Eugene Zimmerman" KOLB TWINSTAR & TRAILER FOR SALE BY BUILDER First time on market. Unusual TwinStar customized for aerial photography during original construction. Many upgrades, extras, and unique features. This airplane has appeared in a number of publications and TV productions, including National Geographic Magazine and PBS documentaries. Includes Wells Cargo AutoWagon trailer custom-sized for the TwinStar. Full system geared for long trips to distant flying locations. SEE FULL DETAILS HERE. Contact Adriel Heisey, Owner - located Gallup, NM USA Telephone: 505-728-7495 . Posted June 1, 2010 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad View Larger Pictures http://www.n4vp.com/options.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299648#299648 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hauck Ramblings On Kolb aircraft. From: "ces308" Hello all.... M3X.. 90 mph @ 2900 rpm Jabiru A-2200 Mostly cruise @ 80 @ 2800... chris ambrose M3X ? Jabiru A-2200 85 hp 137.00hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299651#299651 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:04 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: up-sizing tires and wheels From: Bob Kravis My new Firefly has drum brakes and 11x4.00-5 Cheng Shin tires with an outside diameter of just over 10 inches. A friend with 300 hrs. in a Firestar recommended putting on larger tires at once. He felt that the small tires would be prone to snagging on rough ground and increasing the likelihood of a nose over accident. He also thought that the increased gear height would be beneficial in at rest attitude and ground handling. Any thoughts? The plane is at 280#'s with a BRS softpack and electric starter. Just a couple pounds over the allowed 278#'s. I was hoping to rig a pair of Tuff wheels 16 in. like these from Phantom Aero. http://www.phantomaero.com/ (click on Disc Brakes) but Jim there said that the 4x5/8 axles would have to be replaced with 5 in. x 1/2 in. to make it work and that didn't sound to good to me. Suggestions and advice welcomed. bk ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: up-sizing tires and wheels From: Richard Girard Why not look through the Aircraft Spruce site and see what is available for the wheels you have. You might be able to increase the diameter and try it out without committing to the expense and problems. Worked for me, I'm still running the Nerf tires I put on stock rims right after I bought my Mk III. Rick Girard On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Kravis wrote: > My new Firefly has drum brakes and 11x4.00-5 Cheng Shin tires with an > outside diameter of just over 10 inches. A friend with 300 hrs. in a > Firestar recommended putting on larger tires at once. He felt that the > small tires would be prone to snagging on rough ground and increasing the > likelihood of a nose over accident. He also thought that the increased gear > height would be beneficial in at rest attitude and ground handling. Any > thoughts? > The plane is at 280#'s with a BRS softpack and electric starter. Just a > couple pounds over the allowed 278#'s. I was hoping to rig a pair of Tuff > wheels 16 in. like these from Phantom Aero. http://www.phantomaero.com/ (click > on Disc Brakes) but Jim there said that the 4x5/8 axles would have to be > replaced with 5 in. x 1/2 in. to make it work and that didn't sound to good > to me. Suggestions and advice welcomed. > bk > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:54 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure I had some of the same problem and found that it was a brand new squeeze bulb. It would run up on the ground, but pooped out under load. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Laird To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyuna engine failure I had similar symptoms with a Rotax 447... After suffering with it for a few weeks, decided it was a fuel delivery problem (even though all other tests, as yours, looked okay). Once I simplified and replaced my fuel lines, the problem went away. I also got rid of anything with check valves in it (except for the Facet). -- Robert On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, b young wrote: Im hoping John H will chime in with a LOT of info,and whoever else has had a Cuyuna. I was flying along,4600rpm,1150EGT,260CHT, 74degree at 1500'.....when it happened........I have 80+ hours with no problems over the last 15 months. Got a slow power reduction,EGT dropped,CHT went down to 200. Engine went to idle but never quit,landed at airport. Was barely able to taxi back to hangar.Checked for ice and fuel blockage...none. Plugs were tan,both almost the same .Pulled carb off,didnt find anything. Ran it up on ground to 6000,seemed to run fine. Flew it a day later,only got 5500 instead of the usual 6000 at take off,front cylinder ran 70deg hotter than the rear(they normally run 20-30 difference max at takeoff),EGT was normal.Landed Ok,now what?? I know there is a few out there that know ins and outs on keeping this engine running for MANY hours. Im up for ANY type of info/theories Mark in Florida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long after shutoff did you check for carb ice. If it were more than a couple minuets. It may have already melted. Not sure why lower rpm in next takeoff, you said egt temps was normal on landing were rpm=92s ok ???? Had you drained float bowls before next takeoff? You said the temp was 74 deg f and humidity???? You said front was 70 deg hotter than rear. Was the front 70 deg hotter than normal??? or was the rear 70 deg colder than normal??? Boyd Young MMIII get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? From: "dutrac" Just thought I would check around and see who all was planning to go to Oshkosh this year. It seems like it should be a long way off, but actually it is already less than 2 months away. I'm kicking around the idea of taking my MKII along if I can come up with a trailer of some sort. I thought about building one out of a boat trailer, but we'll have to see how that goes. No doubt some of you have trailered or flew in. How did that go? I would be interested to know your experiences in doing so. Any thoughts on a good trailer design? Duane Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299690#299690 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cuyuna engine failure From: "Mrikio" I forgot to add the following: I pulled the exhaust,pushed on the rings,everything was the same as it was 50 hours ago.Stuck a light in the cylinder,looks great,no scoring or hot spots Fuel bulb is next,along with compression(how much?) My cylinder base gasket has been leaking a little,takes a few hours to get some residue around the flange. Dont think it is an issue,hasnt worsened in 30+hours It starts with 1-2 pulls,just using the lever choke.That hasn't changed either. -------- Mark R Kolb Modified US Cuyuna UL2 60+hrs Kolb Twinstar,503,12hrs Phantom, Kaw 440 250hrs SE-5A UL 3 hrs Eipper Quick, Chrysler power Bee 8hrs PA28-140...350hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299693#299693 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Trip blog From: Duane Ransdell I wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed reading about the MV flyin. To me it makes a lot of sense and perhaps next year I will make it out there. I doubt I will try and fly across the mountains, but maybe trailering might be possible. I mentioned this idea of an impromptu fly in to the local flying chapter and we are going to try and have one near here. Not Kolb specific or anything like that, but rather a fly in without all the legalities that go along with them. I don't know how things are going in your local flying chapters, but around here the general consensus is to lay low and try not give anyone any reason to sue you. Personally I think people are being a bit on the cautious side because there has always been the possibility that people could hurt themselves and then sue for damages. I can't fault them for feeling that way though. It is a justifiable fear. Anyways, thanks so much for posting this information and for the great idea. Duane Do not archive. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, TheWanderingWench < thewanderingwench@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Larry - > > I always enjoy reading your blog - and the one about MV especially. You'll > be laughing about it next year, but I'm sure it wasn't that entertaining > when it actually happened! > > Arty > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm > > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" > Helen Keller > > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." > > --- On *Mon, 5/24/10, Larry Cottrell * wrote: > > > From: Larry Cottrell > Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Trip blog > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:52 AM > > http://owyheeflyer.blogspot.com/ > > Here are a few pictures mostly of the area around Monument Valley and the > Kolb Drive - in. > Larry > > > Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, > which includes my email address. > > *http://www.matfollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forum========= > * > > * > > * > > -- Sincerely, Duane www.amateurradiobluebook.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:08 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kolb-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. 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