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1. 05:55 AM - "Sea Foam" (Watkinsdw)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Ralph B)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (kolbdriver@mlsharp.com)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: safety pins (Ralph B)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: safety pins (John Hauck)
6. 07:34 AM - kit for sale? (daniel myers)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (robert bean)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: safety pins (Ralph B)
9. 09:36 AM - west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (Ralph B)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Dana Hague)
11. 10:28 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Richard Pike)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Arksey@aol.com)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: "Sea Foam" (william sullivan)
14. 11:38 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (william sullivan)
15. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (b young)
16. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
17. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
18. 12:37 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Jason Omelchuck)
19. 12:39 PM - Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (chris davis)
20. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
21. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (b young)
22. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
23. 01:54 PM - Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (Ralph B)
24. 02:03 PM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Richard Neilsen)
25. 02:09 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Pike)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Neilsen)
27. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
28. 05:28 PM - Re: "Sea Foam" (planecrazzzy)
29. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Greg)
30. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
31. 06:56 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Pike)
32. 07:36 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Jason Omelchuck)
33. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck)
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Greetings, Kolbers,
The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Sea Foam."
He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is "good for
the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you get at the
auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea Foam.
I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit for more
than a month or two.
Interested in your thoughts,
Dave Watkins
Rotax 912ULS
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Did someone mention "Seafoam"?
Yes it's good for the engine ...
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Ralph B
(Mr Seafoam)
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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OK,
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I have a full bowl of popcorn just waiting for the entertainment....
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:-)
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Mike
Mark III C, Zuki 1.3L
Oak Grove Mo!
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From: Watkinsdw <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam"
Greetings, Kolbers,
The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Se
a Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is "
good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you
get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea F
oam.
I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit f
or more than a month or two.
Interested in your thoughts,
Dave Watkins
Rotax 912ULS
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> from Chris Davis:
>
> Ralph, Are you going to Oshkosh this year?I would love to meet you
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
Chris, I'll be there weather permitting. I am there from Saturday to Wednesday
morning. I usually park the Kolbra on the west side of the ultralight runway and
camp on the other side of the fence in the picture. The EAA wants me to park
on the east side of the runway, but I like to camp with access to showers, toilet,
and car so we can drive into town for dinner and stay out of traffic. We
can see the afternoon airshow and sip on our drinks from that campground.
Ralph
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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> Chris, I'll be there weather permitting. I am there from Saturday to
Wednesday morning. I usually park the Kolbra on the west side of the
ultralight runway and camp on the other side of the fence in the picture.
The EAA wants me to park on the east side of the runway, but I like to camp
with access to showers, toilet, and car so we can drive into town for dinner
and stay out of traffic. We can see the afternoon airshow and sip on our
drinks from that campground.
>
> Ralph
Ralph:
That's a good looking bird.
I know exactly where you are parked.
Reminds me of the many years spent in the UL Camp with friends.
Are many people camping with their airplanes on the east side of the
airstrip since they started allowing that?
Big problem camping where spectators can see your airplane is pushing it to
your tie down spot. UL and Lt Planes aren't authorized to taxi like the
rest of the Oshkosh fleet of visiting aircraft. EAA still treats us like
bastard children way down on the south end.
john h
mkIII
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does anyone know of or have a kit for sale? looking for either a FSII=2C MK
III Classic=2C Kolbra or Xtra kit. I want to build another amphib....I have
cash=2C looking for something within driving distance to FLA
Daniel Myers
Sold FSII Amphib last year
SeaRey owner
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I'm not goin' there....
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On 8, Jun 2010, at 8:54 AM, Watkinsdw wrote:
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> Greetings, Kolbers,
> The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Sea
Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is "good
for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you get at the
auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea Foam.
> I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit for
more than a month or two.
> Interested in your thoughts,
> Dave Watkins
> Rotax 912ULS
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300503#300503
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> John Hauck:
>
> Ralph:
>
> That's a good looking bird.
>
> I know exactly where you are parked.
>
> Reminds me of the many years spent in the UL Camp with friends.
>
> Are many people camping with their airplanes on the east side of the
> airstrip since they started allowing that?
>
> Big problem camping where spectators can see your airplane is pushing it to
your tie down spot. UL and Lt Planes aren't authorized to taxi like the
> rest of the Oshkosh fleet of visiting aircraft. EAA still treats us like
> bastard children way down on the south end.
>
> john h
> mkIII
John and others,
Camping on the east side means pushing the plane and it's harder going to the strip
because it's uphill slightly. One advantage of parking there is your plane
gets more attention and you could get in an EAA video. Only a few of us park
on the west side now, but I do it for convenience. Maybe this year the EAA may
not allow me to park there.
Ralph
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh |
John and others,
I dug up a couple of pictures from Oshkosh 2007.
These were taken a year before I bought the Kolbra. Mark German flew it there.
Ralph
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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At 08:54 AM 6/8/2010, Watkinsdw wrote:
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>Greetings, Kolbers,
>The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called
>"Sea Foam." He said....
Oooooo Nooooo.....!!!!!
Here we go again....
You might search the archives...
-Dana
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Maybe they should try thinking that one through again.
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I don't think this is going to work out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyCPe0vExk&feature=related
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in
the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would
get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the
flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed
with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after
getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was
impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall
speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question
is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the
MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of
difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at
high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand
after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix?
Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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- Bob- Watch this.- I think it's applicable to the robot developments.
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam"
I don't think this is going to work out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyCPe0vExk&feature=related
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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- Sorry, List.- I was trying to spread the Sea Foam discussion into ano
ther field, and hit the wrong button on the confuser.
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Subject: | RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Jswan
Never had the oil can door problem. I suspect that the lexan was pulled
too tight from top to bottom when it was installed. When visiting in
Washington state I saw a mkIII that had an extra brace welded from the top
and bottom of door panel to hold the lexan in the proper curve.
In flying the mkIII with flaps: I have tried takeoffs with 0 20 40
deg flaps. The shortest takeoff is with 20 deg. 0 and 40 deg takeoff
were almost the same. I almost always land with 20 deg but have
practiced with 0 and 40 deg as well. 20 seems right, but I can make a
steeper approach with 40,, if I were to turn base leg too soon on a short
runway. On my flap handle and the squared off detents I cut them
with a /\ (inverted V) rather than leaving the edges square. This way
it will not be prone to coming out. Thinking that if I were ever to
rebuilt this area,,, I may add positions for 0 10 20 30 40 deg
of flaps.. by cutting the squared off detents more like the trim
handle. Which I modified the slots to look more like a saw tooth blade.
Rather than the strait in saw cuts.
Boyd Young
MKIII
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in
the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get
him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps
on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed
with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after
getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was
impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall
speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my
question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I
think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed
a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another
question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back
out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the
fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Hi Jim:
In my opinion, having flown my mkIII over 1200.0 hours powered with a
912 80 hp, that is the best overall combo for the mkIII, unless you are
going to be flying in higher elevations a lot.
At normal cruise the 80 burns 4.0 gph, 100 burns 5.0. Spark plugs last
twice as long, 200 over 100 hours, and it operates on 87 octane mogas.
Jim, this is the way I fly my mkIII:
Normally, never use flaps for takeoff, and especially climb. Flaps
degrade climb performance on the mkIII.
Rough, muddy, soft sand, tall grass and weeds, I use 20 degrees (half
flaps). Soon as wheels break ground, I slowly remove flaps.
A method that works well for me to break ground quickly is:
Start my takeoff roll clean.
At 30 mph (where my mkIII stalls in ground effect w/full flaps) I snatch
in 40 degrees (full flaps). She hops off the ground immediately.
Slowly remove flaps soon as wheels are in clear air.
Lots of difference in pitch trim between solo and two up. That is
normal.
Door glass pops in:
Lexan wasn't riveted on the door frame satisfactorily.
Not enough curvature in window.
Door doesn't fit fuselage well.
I don't know. ;-)
Flaps work extremely well during approach and landing.
Lose a lot of altitude quick while maintaining lower air speeds.
Use a good light control touch.
CAUTION:
-Full flaps at high speeds with abrupt aft stick will partially blank
out out elevator.
-Landing flare, two up, full flaps, too slow, too abrupt, may result in
running out of elevator during full stall 3 point landings.
Worth what you paid for it.
john h
mkIII
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To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying
around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip
and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did
not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I
was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912
80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at
low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it
decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought
was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps
for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912
80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from
dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops
inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of
you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Boyd:
I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp.
I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to
their original positions.
Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short
short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps.
The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time.
john h
mkIII
On my flap handle and the squared off detents I cut them with
a /\ (inverted V) rather than leaving the edges square. This way it
will not be prone to coming out. Thinking that if I were ever to
rebuilt this area,,, I may add positions for 0 10 20 30 40
deg of flaps.. by cutting the squared off detents more like the trim
handle. Which I modified the slots to look more like a saw tooth
blade. Rather than the strait in saw cuts.
Boyd Young
MKIII
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Subject: | Re: flap info for MK lll needed |
Hello Jim,
I use the first flap detent for landing, I have found that the second detent does
not lower stall, it only causes drag and not enough drag does not seem to be
a problem with my MKIII. My right door will pop in at high speed, I have not
come up with a fix but was thinking of making a bow that fits inside the door
frame that backs up the lexan in that area. My short term fix is to not fly
at high speeds. With no fine pitch trim adjustment, I have found that you can
get close with the pitch trim lever and fine tune with throttle as the higher
the power the more nose down my MKIII wants to fly. I was just messing around
with flaps on take off today and think that they would only be useful when
really trying to get off of a short/soft surface and then be retracted ASAP when
airborne.
Good luck and have fun
Jason
MKIII
Portland, OR
[quote="Arksey(at)aol.com"]Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the
firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him
lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the
trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the
plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home
I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full
flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with
full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is
the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent
with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement
from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan
pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of
you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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Subject: | Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh |
Ralph , Nice pics! Looking at the Kolbra with you? sitting in it your full
body weight is ahead of the landing gear .-I have enough hours in a Kxp w
here most of my wieght was on the landing gear and many a time had- to op
en the door and push the nose of the aircraft up off the ground I need to a
sk does that happen often to you?=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlid
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Subject: | Re: flap info for MK lll needed |
My right door will pop in at high speed,
> Jason
Jason:
Maybe you and Jim S are flying out of yaw trim.
If the door glass that is dimpling is on the up wind side, it may be causing
the problem.
Wish I could do a quick test flight to see if I could dimple my door.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
John
you popped a new tab to reset the detents to the original
positions,,,,,,,,
what positions were they before resetting?? Had they moved due to
filing or had you made some custom flap settings??
Boyd
Boyd:
I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp.
I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to
their original positions.
Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short
short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps.
The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Boyd:
New tab to return to original positions.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: b young
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
John
you popped a new tab to reset the detents to the original
positions,,,,,,,,
what positions were they before resetting?? Had they moved due to
filing or had you made some custom flap settings??
Boyd
Boyd:
I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp.
I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to
their original positions.
Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short
short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps.
The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh |
Chris, the Kolbra has a lot of weight on the tail and there would be little chance
for a noseover even with a lot of braking. The Original Firestar is another
story. It has very little tail weight and yes I have nosed it over. The solution
to that problem is remembering to keep the stick back at all times unless
a strong wind is in back. Even then, if power is applied, backstick is the only
way it keeps from nosing over.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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I see on the Sea Foam label that it is supposed to be a fuel stabiliser but.
I was in a West Marine store this spring in Florida that had a notice posted
that said that although Sea Foam is advertised as a stabilizer there are no
chemicals in it that they see that would stabilize fuel.
Food for thought.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Watkinsdw <david.watkins0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings, Kolbers,
> The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called
> "Sea Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is
> "good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you
> get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea
> Foam.
> I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit
> for more than a month or two.
> Interested in your thoughts,
> Dave Watkins
> Rotax 912ULS
>
>
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Subject: | Re: flap info for MK lll needed |
[quote="John Hauck"]Hi Jim:
-Landing flare, two up, full flaps, too slow, too abrupt, may result in running
out of elevator during full stall 3 point landings.
Worth what you paid for it.
john h
mkIII
> ---
I used some heavy clear tape to seal the gap between the elevator and stabilizer,
and no longer run out of elevator in that situation. Also have put vg's on
the underside of the forward part of the horizontal stab, but I would try the
tape first, the vg's may not be necessary for this application. Or maybe they
would, since I installed both at once, have no way of knowing which ones actually
did the fix -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Jim
You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just
end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have
some hanger space.
I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose
altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the
deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up
below stall speed while still airborne.
I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear
legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right
after take off.
I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some
power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps.
I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I
should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with
my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings
ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he
said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, <Arksey@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi group,
> my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in
> the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get
> him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps
> on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed
> with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after
> getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was
> impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall
> speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my
> question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I
> think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed
> a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another
> question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back
> out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the
> fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
>
> Do not archive
> FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
GA pilots do not know what flying is all about.
I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight
picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is
also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters.
When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the
steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when
he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the
taxiway.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
Jim
You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might
just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should
also have some hanger space.
I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose
altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the
deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end
up below stall speed while still airborne.
I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length
gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them
right after take off.
I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with
some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps.
I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He
said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I
scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of
my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half
an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my
log book.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, <Arksey@aol.com> wrote:
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying
around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip
and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did
not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I
was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912
80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at
low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it
decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought
was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps
for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912
80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from
dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops
inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of
you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
Do not archive
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Wow... Have you guys seen the price jump in that stuff ????
From about $3 bucks , to $6 bucks
They must be reading the posts....
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
.
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all
about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few
steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
GA pilots do not know what flying is all about.
I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight
picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is
also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters.
When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the
steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when
he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the
taxiway.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
Jim
You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you
might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You
should also have some hanger space.
I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose
altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the
deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end
up below stall speed while still airborne.
I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length
gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them
right after take off.
I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap
with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps.
I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He
said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I
scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of
my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half
an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my
log book.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, <Arksey@aol.com> wrote:
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying
around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip
and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did
not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I
was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912
80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at
low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it
decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought
was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps
for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912
80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from
dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops
inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of
you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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Subject: | Re: RE: flap info for MK lll needed |
Greg:
That is what I said.
Your steep, full flap 172 approach is more like a normal mkIII approach,
clean.
My favorite landing at Lakeland, with passenger, was start the approach
at 300 feet AGL, over the threshold, 40 mph, with full flaps, push the
nose over to 60 mph or a little less, nudge of a flare, and touch down
turn off in front of the tower landing to the east. With a 10 to 15 mph
headwind, it was near vertical.
Easy to get 2,000 fpm rate of decent and 40 mph full flaps.
This is a tremendous safety factor, giving the proficient mkIII pilot
the ability to get into tiny forced landing area at slow speeds and very
short ground roll.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all
about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few
steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
GA pilots do not know what flying is all about.
I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight
picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is
also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters.
When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of
the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight,
when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on
the taxiway.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed
Jim
You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you
might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You
should also have some hanger space.
I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to
lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the
deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end
up below stall speed while still airborne.
I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard
length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract
them right after take off.
I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap
with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps.
I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC.
He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I
scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of
my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half
an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my
log book.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, <Arksey@aol.com> wrote:
Hi group,
my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying
around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip
and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did
not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I
was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912
80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at
low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it
decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought
was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps
for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912
80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from
dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops
inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of
you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan
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Subject: | Re: flap info for MK lll needed |
[quote="gtaylor35918(at)roadrunne"]I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do
know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have
made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about
airspeed.
> ---
Yep. And how wonderfully quickly it goes away when you flare a MKIII, power off,
with full flaps. You better be ready to touch down, because it won't be anything
like what happens in a C172...
For those occasions when you forget this little item of trivia, the following is
handy for restoring aluminum gear legs to a modicum of straightness... And yes,
I do own one...
http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/pipe-benders/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-32888.html
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Subject: | Re: flap info for MK lll needed |
Hello John,
I use a yaw string and the door will pop in at high speed even when it is on the
down wind side of a yaw. I have tested it after I discovered that it will dimple
in. It is on the list of things to deal with this winter.
Jason
MKIII
Portland, OR
John Hauck wrote:
> My right door will pop in at high speed,
>
>
> > Jason
> >
> >
>
>
> Jason:
>
> Maybe you and Jim S are flying out of yaw trim.
>
> If the door glass that is dimpling is on the up wind side, it may be causing
> the problem.
>
> Wish I could do a quick test flight to see if I could dimple my door.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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> I use a yaw string and the door will pop in at high speed even when it is
> on the down wind side of a yaw. I have tested it after I discovered that
> it will dimple in. It is on the list of things to deal with this winter.
>
> Jason
Jason,
Must be screwed up. ;-)
Maybe flatter than normal bend,
Mine won't dimple. Don't know why. Too much hot air inside cockpit?
I'm shutting down and going to bed.
Good night all,
john h
mkIII
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