---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/08/10: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:55 AM - "Sea Foam" (Watkinsdw) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Ralph B) 3. 06:23 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (kolbdriver@mlsharp.com) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: safety pins (Ralph B) 5. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: safety pins (John Hauck) 6. 07:34 AM - kit for sale? (daniel myers) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (robert bean) 8. 09:15 AM - Re: safety pins (Ralph B) 9. 09:36 AM - west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (Ralph B) 10. 09:44 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Dana Hague) 11. 10:28 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Richard Pike) 12. 11:03 AM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Arksey@aol.com) 13. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: "Sea Foam" (william sullivan) 14. 11:38 AM - Re: "Sea Foam" (william sullivan) 15. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (b young) 16. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 17. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 18. 12:37 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Jason Omelchuck) 19. 12:39 PM - Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (chris davis) 20. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 21. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (b young) 22. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 23. 01:54 PM - Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh (Ralph B) 24. 02:03 PM - Re: "Sea Foam" (Richard Neilsen) 25. 02:09 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Pike) 26. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Neilsen) 27. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 28. 05:28 PM - Re: "Sea Foam" (planecrazzzy) 29. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Greg) 30. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 31. 06:56 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Richard Pike) 32. 07:36 PM - Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Jason Omelchuck) 33. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" From: "Watkinsdw" Greetings, Kolbers, The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Sea Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is "good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea Foam. I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit for more than a month or two. Interested in your thoughts, Dave Watkins Rotax 912ULS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300503#300503 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" From: "Ralph B" Did someone mention "Seafoam"? Yes it's good for the engine ... do not archive Ralph B (Mr Seafoam) -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300507#300507 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:46 AM PST US From: kolbdriver@mlsharp.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" OK, - I have a full bowl of popcorn just waiting for the entertainment.... - :-) - Mike Mark III C, Zuki 1.3L Oak Grove Mo! - Do Not Archive --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Watkinsdw wrote: From: Watkinsdw Subject: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" Greetings, Kolbers, The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Se a Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is " good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea F oam. I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit f or more than a month or two. Interested in your thoughts, Dave Watkins Rotax 912ULS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300503#300503 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: safety pins From: "Ralph B" > from Chris Davis: > > Ralph, Are you going to Oshkosh this year?I would love to meet you > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly Chris, I'll be there weather permitting. I am there from Saturday to Wednesday morning. I usually park the Kolbra on the west side of the ultralight runway and camp on the other side of the fence in the picture. The EAA wants me to park on the east side of the runway, but I like to camp with access to showers, toilet, and car so we can drive into town for dinner and stay out of traffic. We can see the afternoon airshow and sip on our drinks from that campground. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300514#300514 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_at_osh_s_919.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:59 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: safety pins > Chris, I'll be there weather permitting. I am there from Saturday to Wednesday morning. I usually park the Kolbra on the west side of the ultralight runway and camp on the other side of the fence in the picture. The EAA wants me to park on the east side of the runway, but I like to camp with access to showers, toilet, and car so we can drive into town for dinner and stay out of traffic. We can see the afternoon airshow and sip on our drinks from that campground. > > Ralph Ralph: That's a good looking bird. I know exactly where you are parked. Reminds me of the many years spent in the UL Camp with friends. Are many people camping with their airplanes on the east side of the airstrip since they started allowing that? Big problem camping where spectators can see your airplane is pushing it to your tie down spot. UL and Lt Planes aren't authorized to taxi like the rest of the Oshkosh fleet of visiting aircraft. EAA still treats us like bastard children way down on the south end. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:02 AM PST US From: daniel myers Subject: Kolb-List: kit for sale? does anyone know of or have a kit for sale? looking for either a FSII=2C MK III Classic=2C Kolbra or Xtra kit. I want to build another amphib....I have cash=2C looking for something within driving distance to FLA Daniel Myers Sold FSII Amphib last year SeaRey owner _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hot mail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" From: robert bean I'm not goin' there.... do not archive On 8, Jun 2010, at 8:54 AM, Watkinsdw wrote: > > Greetings, Kolbers, > The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called "Sea Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is "good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea Foam. > I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit for more than a month or two. > Interested in your thoughts, > Dave Watkins > Rotax 912ULS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300503#300503 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: safety pins From: "Ralph B" > John Hauck: > > Ralph: > > That's a good looking bird. > > I know exactly where you are parked. > > Reminds me of the many years spent in the UL Camp with friends. > > Are many people camping with their airplanes on the east side of the > airstrip since they started allowing that? > > Big problem camping where spectators can see your airplane is pushing it to your tie down spot. UL and Lt Planes aren't authorized to taxi like the > rest of the Oshkosh fleet of visiting aircraft. EAA still treats us like > bastard children way down on the south end. > > john h > mkIII John and others, Camping on the east side means pushing the plane and it's harder going to the strip because it's uphill slightly. One advantage of parking there is your plane gets more attention and you could get in an EAA video. Only a few of us park on the west side now, but I do it for convenience. Maybe this year the EAA may not allow me to park there. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300534#300534 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh From: "Ralph B" John and others, I dug up a couple of pictures from Oshkosh 2007. These were taken a year before I bought the Kolbra. Mark German flew it there. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300536#300536 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_new_plane_2__115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/johns_mkiii__146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_and_johns_mkiii__149.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:00 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" At 08:54 AM 6/8/2010, Watkinsdw wrote: > >Greetings, Kolbers, >The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called >"Sea Foam." He said.... Oooooo Nooooo.....!!!!! Here we go again.... You might search the archives... -Dana do not archive -- They think gun owners are dangerous. But they also think it is safe for them to try taking away guns from millions of gun owners. Maybe they should try thinking that one through again. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" From: "Richard Pike" I don't think this is going to work out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyCPe0vExk&feature=related Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300548#300548 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:53 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:38 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" - Bob- Watch this.- I think it's applicable to the robot developments. --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Richard Pike wrote: From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" I don't think this is going to work out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyCPe0vExk&feature=related Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300548#300548 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:01 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" - Sorry, List.- I was trying to spread the Sea Foam discussion into ano ther field, and hit the wrong button on the confuser. - do not archive ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:02 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jswan Never had the oil can door problem. I suspect that the lexan was pulled too tight from top to bottom when it was installed. When visiting in Washington state I saw a mkIII that had an extra brace welded from the top and bottom of door panel to hold the lexan in the proper curve. In flying the mkIII with flaps: I have tried takeoffs with 0 20 40 deg flaps. The shortest takeoff is with 20 deg. 0 and 40 deg takeoff were almost the same. I almost always land with 20 deg but have practiced with 0 and 40 deg as well. 20 seems right, but I can make a steeper approach with 40,, if I were to turn base leg too soon on a short runway. On my flap handle and the squared off detents I cut them with a /\ (inverted V) rather than leaving the edges square. This way it will not be prone to coming out. Thinking that if I were ever to rebuilt this area,,, I may add positions for 0 10 20 30 40 deg of flaps.. by cutting the squared off detents more like the trim handle. Which I modified the slots to look more like a saw tooth blade. Rather than the strait in saw cuts. Boyd Young MKIII Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:07 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Hi Jim: In my opinion, having flown my mkIII over 1200.0 hours powered with a 912 80 hp, that is the best overall combo for the mkIII, unless you are going to be flying in higher elevations a lot. At normal cruise the 80 burns 4.0 gph, 100 burns 5.0. Spark plugs last twice as long, 200 over 100 hours, and it operates on 87 octane mogas. Jim, this is the way I fly my mkIII: Normally, never use flaps for takeoff, and especially climb. Flaps degrade climb performance on the mkIII. Rough, muddy, soft sand, tall grass and weeds, I use 20 degrees (half flaps). Soon as wheels break ground, I slowly remove flaps. A method that works well for me to break ground quickly is: Start my takeoff roll clean. At 30 mph (where my mkIII stalls in ground effect w/full flaps) I snatch in 40 degrees (full flaps). She hops off the ground immediately. Slowly remove flaps soon as wheels are in clear air. Lots of difference in pitch trim between solo and two up. That is normal. Door glass pops in: Lexan wasn't riveted on the door frame satisfactorily. Not enough curvature in window. Door doesn't fit fuselage well. I don't know. ;-) Flaps work extremely well during approach and landing. Lose a lot of altitude quick while maintaining lower air speeds. Use a good light control touch. CAUTION: -Full flaps at high speeds with abrupt aft stick will partially blank out out elevator. -Landing flare, two up, full flaps, too slow, too abrupt, may result in running out of elevator during full stall 3 point landings. Worth what you paid for it. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Arksey@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:12 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Boyd: I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp. I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to their original positions. Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps. The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time. john h mkIII On my flap handle and the squared off detents I cut them with a /\ (inverted V) rather than leaving the edges square. This way it will not be prone to coming out. Thinking that if I were ever to rebuilt this area,,, I may add positions for 0 10 20 30 40 deg of flaps.. by cutting the squared off detents more like the trim handle. Which I modified the slots to look more like a saw tooth blade. Rather than the strait in saw cuts. Boyd Young MKIII ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed From: "Jason Omelchuck" Hello Jim, I use the first flap detent for landing, I have found that the second detent does not lower stall, it only causes drag and not enough drag does not seem to be a problem with my MKIII. My right door will pop in at high speed, I have not come up with a fix but was thinking of making a bow that fits inside the door frame that backs up the lexan in that area. My short term fix is to not fly at high speeds. With no fine pitch trim adjustment, I have found that you can get close with the pitch trim lever and fine tune with throttle as the higher the power the more nose down my MKIII wants to fly. I was just messing around with flaps on take off today and think that they would only be useful when really trying to get off of a short/soft surface and then be retracted ASAP when airborne. Good luck and have fun Jason MKIII Portland, OR [quote="Arksey(at)aol.com"]Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300571#300571 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:17 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh Ralph , Nice pics! Looking at the Kolbra with you? sitting in it your full body weight is ahead of the landing gear .-I have enough hours in a Kxp w here most of my wieght was on the landing gear and many a time had- to op en the door and push the nose of the aircraft up off the ground I need to a sk does that happen often to you?=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlid er Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0AFrom: Ralph B =0ATo: kolb-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Tue, June 8, 2010 12:36:30 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: west si lph B" =0A=0AJohn and others,=0A=0AI dug up a couple of pict ures from Oshkosh 2007.=0A=0AThese were taken a year before I bought the Ko lbra. Mark German flew it there.=0A=0ARalph=0A=0A--------=0ARalph B=0AOrigi nal Firestar 447=0AN91493 E-AB=0A1000 hours=0A23 years flying it=0AKolbra 9 12UL=0AN20386=0A2 years flying it=0A120 hrs=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic o nline here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300536#30053 6=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/my_ne w_plane_2__115.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/johns_mkiii__146.jp g=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_and_johns_mkiii__149.jpg=0A =================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:14 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed My right door will pop in at high speed, > Jason Jason: Maybe you and Jim S are flying out of yaw trim. If the door glass that is dimpling is on the up wind side, it may be causing the problem. Wish I could do a quick test flight to see if I could dimple my door. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:07 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John you popped a new tab to reset the detents to the original positions,,,,,,,, what positions were they before resetting?? Had they moved due to filing or had you made some custom flap settings?? Boyd Boyd: I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp. I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to their original positions. Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps. The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Boyd: New tab to return to original positions. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: b young To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John you popped a new tab to reset the detents to the original positions,,,,,,,, what positions were they before resetting?? Had they moved due to filing or had you made some custom flap settings?? Boyd Boyd: I use a 5/32" chain saw file to keep my detents nice and sharp. I also popped a new tab over the old detents to reset the detents to their original positions. Time and use will round the edges. Nothing worse than being on short short final and the flap handle pop out from 40 to zero degrees flaps. The bottom falls out and it makes a Hell of a noise at the same time. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: west side of ultralight strip at Oshkosh From: "Ralph B" Chris, the Kolbra has a lot of weight on the tail and there would be little chance for a noseover even with a lot of braking. The Original Firestar is another story. It has very little tail weight and yes I have nosed it over. The solution to that problem is remembering to keep the stick back at all times unless a strong wind is in back. Even then, if power is applied, backstick is the only way it keeps from nosing over. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300584#300584 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Sea Foam" From: Richard Neilsen I see on the Sea Foam label that it is supposed to be a fuel stabiliser but. I was in a West Marine store this spring in Florida that had a notice posted that said that although Sea Foam is advertised as a stabilizer there are no chemicals in it that they see that would stabilize fuel. Food for thought. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Watkinsdw wrote: > > Greetings, Kolbers, > The A&P who did my annual recommended a gas stabilizing additive called > "Sea Foam." He said that it not only extended the life of stored gas, but is > "good for the engine," any engine. I have been using the gas stabilizer you > get at the auto parts store, and wonder if anyone has experience with Sea > Foam. > I keep my gas in a 30 gal tank w/ a crank pump, and try not to let it sit > for more than a month or two. > Interested in your thoughts, > Dave Watkins > Rotax 912ULS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300503#300503 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed From: "Richard Pike" [quote="John Hauck"]Hi Jim: -Landing flare, two up, full flaps, too slow, too abrupt, may result in running out of elevator during full stall 3 point landings. Worth what you paid for it. john h mkIII > --- I used some heavy clear tape to seal the gap between the elevator and stabilizer, and no longer run out of elevator in that situation. Also have put vg's on the underside of the forward part of the horizontal stab, but I would try the tape first, the vg's may not be necessary for this application. Or maybe they would, since I installed both at once, have no way of knowing which ones actually did the fix - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300587#300587 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed From: Richard Neilsen Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: > Hi group, > my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in > the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get > him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps > on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed > with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after > getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was > impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall > speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my > question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I > think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed > a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another > question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back > out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the > fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan > > Do not archive > FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:31 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Sea Foam" From: "planecrazzzy" Wow... Have you guys seen the price jump in that stuff ???? From about $3 bucks , to $6 bucks They must be reading the posts.... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300620#300620 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:07 PM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: That is what I said. Your steep, full flap 172 approach is more like a normal mkIII approach, clean. My favorite landing at Lakeland, with passenger, was start the approach at 300 feet AGL, over the threshold, 40 mph, with full flaps, push the nose over to 60 mph or a little less, nudge of a flare, and touch down turn off in front of the tower landing to the east. With a 10 to 15 mph headwind, it was near vertical. Easy to get 2,000 fpm rate of decent and 40 mph full flaps. This is a tremendous safety factor, giving the proficient mkIII pilot the ability to get into tiny forced landing area at slow speeds and very short ground roll. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed From: "Richard Pike" [quote="gtaylor35918(at)roadrunne"]I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. > --- Yep. And how wonderfully quickly it goes away when you flare a MKIII, power off, with full flaps. You better be ready to touch down, because it won't be anything like what happens in a C172... For those occasions when you forget this little item of trivia, the following is handy for restoring aluminum gear legs to a modicum of straightness... And yes, I do own one... http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/pipe-benders/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-32888.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300642#300642 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed From: "Jason Omelchuck" Hello John, I use a yaw string and the door will pop in at high speed even when it is on the down wind side of a yaw. I have tested it after I discovered that it will dimple in. It is on the list of things to deal with this winter. Jason MKIII Portland, OR John Hauck wrote: > My right door will pop in at high speed, > > > > Jason > > > > > > > Jason: > > Maybe you and Jim S are flying out of yaw trim. > > If the door glass that is dimpling is on the up wind side, it may be causing > the problem. > > Wish I could do a quick test flight to see if I could dimple my door. > > john h > mkIII Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300651#300651 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:03 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flap info for MK lll needed > I use a yaw string and the door will pop in at high speed even when it is > on the down wind side of a yaw. I have tested it after I discovered that > it will dimple in. It is on the list of things to deal with this winter. > > Jason Jason, Must be screwed up. ;-) Maybe flatter than normal bend, Mine won't dimple. Don't know why. Too much hot air inside cockpit? I'm shutting down and going to bed. 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