---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/10/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:14 AM - Re: Travis Brown's Father (John Cooley) 2. 06:42 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/09/10 (Bob Green) 3. 11:32 AM - Re: TB (russ kinne) 4. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: TB (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 5. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Greg) 6. 02:59 PM - Fw: Re: TB (russ kinne) 7. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 8. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (Greg) 9. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: TB (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 10. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: flap info for MK lll needed (John Hauck) 11. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: TB (Larry Cottrell) 12. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: TB (John Hauck) 13. 06:54 PM - helicopter to ultralights (Jerry Deckard) 14. 08:11 PM - Ohio Kolbs (zeprep251@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Travis Brown's Father From: "John Cooley" My condolences as well Travis. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. John Cooley -------- Be Safe, John Cooley Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300792#300792 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:12 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 06/09/10 Sorry to hear about the loss of your brother, John. Be safe. Bob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:31 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB Ellery By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? Hope all's well, fair winds, Russ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:17 AM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: TB Russ et al: Try: Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) [travis@tnkolbaircraft.com] George Alexander http://www.oh2fly.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of russ kinne Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB Ellery By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? Hope all's well, fair winds, Russ _ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:44 PM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, When I was referring to a 172 as heavy I was compareing it to my firestar. I know a local guy hear named Mike Fisher who knew Holmer, you may recognize the name Fisher. He said he has had a lot of oppertunities to fly a kolb but never did and he wants to fly my kolb if I ever get it to the airport. These Kolbs do seem like they are a lot of fun, I can't wait and may possibly be getting mine in the air in the next couple of weeks. Happy flying. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: Curious when you mentioned heavy aircraft experience which is 300,000 lbs max gross takeoff weight and above. A 172 hardly qualifies as heavy. I am strictly a VFR single engine land pilot. I fly for pleasure and to get me to wonderful places to visit and spend time with other like minded Kolb people. I got to be an Army Rotary Wing Aviator late in my Army career. Most of my aviation experience has been accumulated in the last 26 years of building and flying Homer Kolb's wonderful little airplanes, after retirement. Looking back, it has been a wonderful experience, meeting and making life long friends with many people all over the US, Canada, Alaska, and other parts of the world. Never was interested in gyrocopters. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, The heavy bird that I refer to is just a 172, when I can afford it, I have a IFR rating and about 250 hrs. I am the commander of my local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and we are the custodial unit of a 172P. A nice plane for about $70.00 for 1.5 hrs. It sounds like you have had a very interesting career with aviation, have you had any experience with gyrocopters? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: First time I heard anyone refer to our Kolb aircraft as "weekend toys to go buzzing around in". However, one old Kolber down in South Florida refers to his as the Kleenex Kolb. What kind of "heavy" aircraft do you fly? Many of us Kolbers are/were professional pilots in another life, both military and civilian. Yep, we made a living at it. Still hard to believe the Army paid me to fly helicopters that I would have flown for free. Sure beat walking walking though. Good luck with your new toy. john hauck mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I am sure that it is a lot different from heavy aircraft, and I know one of the innovators of ultralight/light sport designers. I know I will have a lot to learn, and I have already picked up a few pointers on this list. I look forward to flying my kolb, I think that it is going to be a great week end toy to go buzzing around in, but I am still a GA pilot also. ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg, A lot of us on the list come from GA background,and I believe most of us would agree that our experience in heavier aircraft did not prepare us adequately for the performance of high drag,low inertia, light sport aircraft.The list is a good source of info. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:16 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: Re: TB List, my apologies. That msg was addressed ONLY to Ellery. Computers hate me do not archive Begin forwarded message: > From: russ kinne > Date: June 10, 2010 1:24:02 PM EDT > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB > > > Ellery > By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? > Hope all's well, > fair winds, > Russ > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: Good luck with your Fire Star. Where are you located? john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, When I was referring to a 172 as heavy I was compareing it to my firestar. I know a local guy hear named Mike Fisher who knew Holmer, you may recognize the name Fisher. He said he has had a lot of oppertunities to fly a kolb but never did and he wants to fly my kolb if I ever get it to the airport. These Kolbs do seem like they are a lot of fun, I can't wait and may possibly be getting mine in the air in the next couple of weeks. Happy flying. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: Curious when you mentioned heavy aircraft experience which is 300,000 lbs max gross takeoff weight and above. A 172 hardly qualifies as heavy. I am strictly a VFR single engine land pilot. I fly for pleasure and to get me to wonderful places to visit and spend time with other like minded Kolb people. I got to be an Army Rotary Wing Aviator late in my Army career. Most of my aviation experience has been accumulated in the last 26 years of building and flying Homer Kolb's wonderful little airplanes, after retirement. Looking back, it has been a wonderful experience, meeting and making life long friends with many people all over the US, Canada, Alaska, and other parts of the world. Never was interested in gyrocopters. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, The heavy bird that I refer to is just a 172, when I can afford it, I have a IFR rating and about 250 hrs. I am the commander of my local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and we are the custodial unit of a 172P. A nice plane for about $70.00 for 1.5 hrs. It sounds like you have had a very interesting career with aviation, have you had any experience with gyrocopters? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: First time I heard anyone refer to our Kolb aircraft as "weekend toys to go buzzing around in". However, one old Kolber down in South Florida refers to his as the Kleenex Kolb. What kind of "heavy" aircraft do you fly? Many of us Kolbers are/were professional pilots in another life, both military and civilian. Yep, we made a living at it. Still hard to believe the Army paid me to fly helicopters that I would have flown for free. Sure beat walking walking though. Good luck with your new toy. john hauck mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I am sure that it is a lot different from heavy aircraft, and I know one of the innovators of ultralight/light sport designers. I know I will have a lot to learn, and I have already picked up a few pointers on this list. I look forward to flying my kolb, I think that it is going to be a great week end toy to go buzzing around in, but I am still a GA pilot also. ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg, A lot of us on the list come from GA background,and I believe most of us would agree that our experience in heavier aircraft did not prepare us adequately for the performance of high drag,low inertia, light sport aircraft.The list is a good source of info. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:08 PM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, I live in southern Ohio about 20 minutes north of the Greater Portsmouth Regional Air Port (PMH). How about you? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: Good luck with your Fire Star. Where are you located? john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, When I was referring to a 172 as heavy I was compareing it to my firestar. I know a local guy hear named Mike Fisher who knew Holmer, you may recognize the name Fisher. He said he has had a lot of oppertunities to fly a kolb but never did and he wants to fly my kolb if I ever get it to the airport. These Kolbs do seem like they are a lot of fun, I can't wait and may possibly be getting mine in the air in the next couple of weeks. Happy flying. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: Curious when you mentioned heavy aircraft experience which is 300,000 lbs max gross takeoff weight and above. A 172 hardly qualifies as heavy. I am strictly a VFR single engine land pilot. I fly for pleasure and to get me to wonderful places to visit and spend time with other like minded Kolb people. I got to be an Army Rotary Wing Aviator late in my Army career. Most of my aviation experience has been accumulated in the last 26 years of building and flying Homer Kolb's wonderful little airplanes, after retirement. Looking back, it has been a wonderful experience, meeting and making life long friends with many people all over the US, Canada, Alaska, and other parts of the world. Never was interested in gyrocopters. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed John, The heavy bird that I refer to is just a 172, when I can afford it, I have a IFR rating and about 250 hrs. I am the commander of my local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and we are the custodial unit of a 172P. A nice plane for about $70.00 for 1.5 hrs. It sounds like you have had a very interesting career with aviation, have you had any experience with gyrocopters? Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: First time I heard anyone refer to our Kolb aircraft as "weekend toys to go buzzing around in". However, one old Kolber down in South Florida refers to his as the Kleenex Kolb. What kind of "heavy" aircraft do you fly? Many of us Kolbers are/were professional pilots in another life, both military and civilian. Yep, we made a living at it. Still hard to believe the Army paid me to fly helicopters that I would have flown for free. Sure beat walking walking though. Good luck with your new toy. john hauck mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I am sure that it is a lot different from heavy aircraft, and I know one of the innovators of ultralight/light sport designers. I know I will have a lot to learn, and I have already picked up a few pointers on this list. I look forward to flying my kolb, I think that it is going to be a great week end toy to go buzzing around in, but I am still a GA pilot also. ----- Original Message ----- From: zeprep251@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg, A lot of us on the list come from GA background,and I believe most of us would agree that our experience in heavier aircraft did not prepare us adequately for the performance of high drag,low inertia, light sport aircraft.The list is a good source of info. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Greg To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed I have to say that I am a GA pilot and I do know what flying is all about, I haven't got to fly in my Kolb yet, but I have made quite a few steep approaches with full flaps in a 172. Its all about airspeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed GA pilots do not know what flying is all about. I think helicopter pilots make good Kolb pilots because the sight picture for approach and landing is very similar. The big windscreen is also similar to the excellent visibility of helicopters. When I was hauling passengers, I tried to remember to warn them of the steep approach. Dennis Souder scared me on my first mkIII flight, when he let the bottom fall out, and landed next to Homer's hanger on the taxiway. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Jim You have been busy. Send photos of the plane. You be careful you might just end up with a second airplane or selling that firestar. You should also have some hanger space. I rarely use full flaps but they are really nice if you need to lose altitude. Full flaps produce so much drag that they increase the deceleration of the plane on round out so much that you can easily end up below stall speed while still airborne. I use one notch of flaps to get off the ground with standard length gear legs of my MKIIIC to get off the ground quickly then retract them right after take off. I have found that my plane flies the same with one notch of flap with some power on landing as no power (engine failure) and no flaps. I got my check ride with a GA instructor yesterday in my MKIIIC. He said I should warn GA trained passengers before landing. I guess I scared him with my high angle of decent and low round out. I did some of my best landings ever in spite of 430 lbs. of human cargo. After a half an hour in the air he said he had seen enough and was ready to sign my log book. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote: Hi group, my neighbor purchased a used MK lll after watching me flying around in the firestar enjoying life. I told him he could use my strip and I would get him lined up with a instructer to get his license. I did not use the flaps on the trip as I did know the proper use of them....I was very impressed with the plane and the performace that the rotax 912 80 hp provides. after getting home I went up solo and tried the flaps at low speed and I was impressed at full flaps how the plane handled and it decreased stall speed...so I landed it with full flaps which i thought was a big plus....my question is this. what is the proper use of flaps for take off if any? I think the MK lll performs excellent with the 912 80 hp solo. I also noticed a lot of difference in trim requiement from dual to solo....another question: at high speed the door lexan pops inward and has to be pushed back out my hand after landing...have any of you had this problem and what is the fix? Thanks in advance Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Travis@tnkolbaircraft.com the last one I have for him is this one Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: russ kinne Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:24 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB Ellery By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? Hope all's well, fair winds, Russ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:31 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: flap info for MK lll needed Greg: I have been flying out of Gantt International Airport for 26 years, located 3 miles from hauck's holler, near Titus, Alabama. john h mkIII John, I live in southern Ohio about 20 minutes north of the Greater Portsmouth Regional Air Port (PMH). How about you? Greg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:29 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB I sent an email to that address and it was returned. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellery Batchelder Jr To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB Travis@tnkolbaircraft.com the last one I have for him is this one Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: russ kinne To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:24 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB Ellery By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? Hope all's well, fair winds, Russ =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =========== ://forums.matronics.com =========== lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB Try this one guys. Finally pulled my head out of my fourth point of contact. Some of you old paratroopers can explain to the younsters if they do not understand: tb40ford@roadrunner.com john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB I sent an email to that address and it was returned. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellery Batchelder Jr To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: TB Travis@tnkolbaircraft.com the last one I have for him is this one Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: russ kinne To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 1:24 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TB Ellery By chance do you have an email address for Travis Brown? Hope all's well, fair winds, Russ =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =========== ://forums.matronics.com =========== lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:00 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Kolb-List: helicopter to ultralights From one of John's emails "I got to be an Army Rotary Wing Aviator late in my Army career." I belong to several ultralight email list. It seems there are several prior Army rotorwing guys flying UL/ light experimental. I was OH-58 guy. Jerry Deckard ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Ohio Kolbs From: zeprep251@aol.com Greg, Welcome to the Ohio Kolbs.Must be at least 3 of us now,2 are in NE Oh.One at Morris,just under the 30 mile ring of Pittsburgs mode C and me at 1D4 under the 5 mile ring of CAK.Once you get air born,we should do lunch. 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