---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/08/10: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: safety pins (racerjerry) 2. 04:56 AM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (racerjerry) 3. 06:48 AM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Mike Welch) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: safety pins (gotime242) 5. 06:59 AM - Re: Oil Reservoir Cap Crack (SAILNROCK) 6. 07:17 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2010 (SAILNROCK) 7. 07:23 AM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Chris_A) 8. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Mike Welch) 9. 08:07 AM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Chris_A) 10. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (robert bean) 11. 09:24 AM - Oshkosh (Richard Neilsen) 12. 09:41 AM - inching ever closer to first flight (Bob Kravis) 13. 10:04 AM - Re: safety pins (Douglas P Christian) 14. 10:08 AM - Re: Oshkosh (John Hauck) 15. 10:54 AM - Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (gotime242) 16. 11:33 AM - Complete re-paint of Kolb. (gotime242) 17. 12:29 PM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Richard Pike) 18. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Mike Welch) 19. 01:41 PM - Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (Lanny Fetterman) 20. 02:58 PM - Landing video (Richard Girard) 21. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Richard Girard) 22. 03:12 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (Richard Girard) 23. 06:18 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (Eugene Zimmerman) 24. 06:25 PM - Re: Complete re-paint of Kolb. (Richard Pike) 25. 06:31 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (gotime242) 26. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Complete re-paint of Kolb. (Richard Girard) 27. 06:48 PM - Re: Complete re-paint of Kolb. (Beauford) 28. 07:20 PM - Re: inching ever closer to first flight (Kip) 29. 07:22 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (Eugene Zimmerman) 30. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (John Hauck) 31. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (John Hauck) 32. 07:58 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (gotime242) 33. 08:12 PM - Re: Landing video (Larry Cottrell) 34. 08:42 PM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (racerjerry) 35. 09:30 PM - Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (william sullivan) 36. 10:55 PM - Re: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. (Richard Girard) 37. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: safety pins From: "racerjerry" If you can get two safety rings into a clevis pin hole, it is likely that they are too darned small. Personally, I prefer to use as large a wire diameter as will fit into the hole; but that is not necessary. Be careful if you are using tiny rings (small O.D.) as they may require excessive stretching during insertion into a large pin. You don't want the coils to have a permanent spread. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307901#307901 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: "racerjerry" Shhhhh. Level the horizontal stabilizers and no one will know except you. Fabricate new cables if required. In case anyone should discover that your vertical stabilizer is slightly out of alignment, make up a good lie ahead of time about the time you got caught in a thunderstorm and the boom got twisted. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307902#307902 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:30 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment > The holes are drilled and rivets set so there is no going back. > Thanks=2C Chris Chris=2C Sorry to hear about the screw up=2C but there ain't no such thing as no such thing!! If it were me=2C yes=2C I'd absolutely drill out the rivet s=2C and align it correctly. How long would it take to drill them out? 15 minutes??? I'd redo it. After I got the assembly lined up properly=2C I would drill about 4 brand new holes=2C to lock the new position in place. After installing of the 4 locating rivets=2C I would=3B 1) drill out all the remaining rivet holes to their next size UP! They ar e probably 1/8" rivets=2C so I'd drill all the remaining holes to 3/16". If you don't have any 3/16" rivets=2C order some=2C install them=2C and that's the only telltale sign of an error (no one else would know the difference) Yeah=2C I know a guy could fabricate some new cables=2C and bend the crap out the whole arrangement to make it look "close enough"=2C and come up with lo ts of excuses that nobody really believes=2C OR=2C a guy could spend two hours and make it knat's a.. perfect=2C and not have to make any excuses. Just my opinion=2C other's may look at it a little differently. Remember=3B a successful builder NEVER makes mistakes......only prototyp es!! Mike Welch MkIII CX Finally back to work on my plane=2C after a 3 month hiatus to complete my h ouse. Worked on my center console=2C new panel yesterday. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: safety pins From: "gotime242" I was saying two safety pins in the hole. The rings i just ordered are about 1" and some .80" OD...hopefully those work well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307912#307912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oil Reservoir Cap Crack From: "SAILNROCK" Hi Dawn I too have had 2 caps crack in the same place. I too think its bad manufacturing, vary thin were it has broken. I used JB weld to keep it together like the guy before me did as I got tired of buying new ones. Out in the Field when the new one broke I used some plastic from a zip lock bag ,( my sandwich bag ) and a hose clamp to get me home and keep my oil in the tank. Good luck and don't forget the saftey wire to keep it there. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307913#307913 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oshkosh 2010 From: "SAILNROCK" Great Pics Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307918#307918 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser@cox.net> I am still looking at drilling out the rivets the only issue is that at the ring the adjustment would be so slight that I'm afraid I wouldn't have the right amount of clearance between the old holes and the new or even be able to drill the new holes without breaking into the old. And turning the end of the tube into Swiss cheese doesn't sound good either. I have considered cutting an inch or so off the end and starting fresh but that would leave me with double holes on the other attachment points. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307920#307920 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:24 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment > I am still looking at drilling out the rivets the only issue is that at t he ring the adjustment would be so slight that I'm afraid I wouldn't have t he right amount of clearance >Chris Chris=2C I know what you are referring to=2C but that's why I suggested the soluti on in the order I did. The 4 new rivets would be at a place that hadn't ever been drilled before ....brand new holes!! These have the only function of locking the ring in it's proper orientation ....period! Once the ring is correct positioned=2C these rivets would go on immediately. Yes=2C I know the old boomtube holes will be only slightly offset from th e empennage ring=2C but that's why I suggested the "next size up" after all the rivets were rem oved. That would take care of that. I'd bet the offset is so small=2C you'd barely be able to see it=2C which is my point about the next size larger rivet. But=2C since you'd have the ring PERFECTly located at t his point=2C and locked in place with 4 rivets=2C you could drill all the remaining holes 3/16" and be creating the nice=2C clean=2C tight hole for those 3/16" rivets. I don't know you get to the sw iss cheese scenario. On my list of screw-ups=2C this one wouldn't even break a sweat at fixing it right. But=2C you do what you feel most comfortable with. Best of luck. Mike W ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser@cox.net> I see now what you are saying. Drill four new locating holes through the ring and tube. Then drill out the existing holes. This sounds like a solution to my problem. Thanks Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307925#307925 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: robert bean I see Mike smacking his forehead now :) Drill out the old rivets. Offset to the the previously quoted "perfect" position. If what Mike is saying is true, the holes won't be off by much. In his case the larger rivet will do the trick. -If it still looks to be too much error for this approach you can use a (very) small rat tail or round file to begin the larger hole in the ring, thereby beginning an offset that would be a better guide to the tube hole. Then clean it up with the right drill size. BB On 8, Aug 2010, at 11:07 AM, Chris_A wrote: > > I see now what you are saying. Drill four new locating holes through the ring and tube. Then drill out the existing holes. This sounds like a solution to my problem. > > Thanks > Chris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307925#307925 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh From: Richard Neilsen I drove to Oshkosh this year and glad I did. It was nice to see the Kolb factory trailer in the light plane area again but it just isn't the same. They don't allow camping with your plane on the south west side of the strip any more. They have moved the fence and they now allow trailer camping where we used to camp with our planes. Funny how they figured out how to get trash and toilets in there when they couldn't do that for us plane campers. Light plane camping is now only allowed near the red barn and you have to drag your plane through the crowds of people to your camping spot hundreds of feet from the runway. It works for the factory planes with a team of helpers but not for individual pilots. There were three Kolbs in the camping area but only the firestar flew much. No factory planes were there. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: inching ever closer to first flight From: Bob Kravis Yesterday FireFly E008BK made its way to the runway for taxi tests. I am fortunate to have EAA chapter 1114 Tech Counselor, Terry Gardener, as a mechanic/teacher and Van Covington as a test pilot. Van had a Firestar KXP (?) and has over 300 hours in it. We discovered a few issues that need addressing before Van takes to the air. Perhaps someone can comment on these. 1. Rudder pedals were installed in such a manner as to be angled to the rear instead of upright when the rudder is neutral. Perhaps this was an adjustment for a short pilot. As it is now, the pedals cannot be comfortably reached with any part of the foot than the ball of the foot. The solution is straight forward and only requires fabrication of aluminum bars that are drilled properly to attach the rudder cables and position the pedals upright. (I like these easy problems.) 2. The ICOM A24 breaks squelch when the master switch in on whether the engine is running or not, and whether the rubber duck antenna or the external antenna is attached. I am not sure how to track the problem down. The unit is powered by internal batteries not the planes electrical. The planes electrical system include a Kuntzleman Hot Box. 3. The static (plane tied down) wide open throttle is 5,800 RPM. We plan on re-pitching the 3 blade IVO prop to get the Kolb recommended 6,100 RPM. 4. Trim tabs for the rudder, aileron and elevator were spec'ed and Kolb instructed installing them by riveting to the ribs in each location. This seems like it would be very hard to do right as the ribs, in the rudder for example are 5/16x.032 wall. Very little room for error! 5. The brake cables loop down low before attaching to the Azusa brakes. There is a chance that they could snag grass or an unseen object on the runway (like a branch). Not sure how to remedy this as the angle of attachment is fixed by the brake's backing plate (attached by 4 bolts 90 degrees apart) and a 90 degree rotation is unacceptable since it positions the actuator arm down toward the front. Maybe shortening the cable a few inches will take some of the low laying loop out? Ever closer! Bob ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:42 AM PST US From: "Douglas P Christian" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety pins A friend of mine addressed my worries about those safety pins by saying that all the stress is on the thing it is attached to not on the safety pin itself. The only thing the safety pin is there to do is make sure that thing doesn't fall out. It does the same job as a nut on a bolt. It is your job to check those safety pins every so often to make sure they are there and correctly fastened. If you fold up everything after every flight, as I do, You are basically performing that check before and after each flight. In my the estimation, two safety pin in the same hole is like superglueing your belt and suspenders to your trousers. Since buying my Firestar I I've changed out all the safety pins with brand new stainless steel safety pins from Home depot. They work great and are a lot less expensive. This advice was given to me by the gentleman who owns Airtech, Inc. in southeast Louisiana and has been involved with Ultralight and LSA aircraft for more years then we'd both like to admit to. Doug Christian Kolb Firestar I ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:15 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh They have moved the fence and they now allow trailer camping where we used to camp with our planes. Funny how they figured out how to get trash and toilets in there when they couldn't do that for us plane campers. Light plane camping is now only allowed near the red barn and you have to drag your plane through the crowds of people to your camping spot hundreds of feet from the runway. It works for the factory planes with a team of helpers but not for individual pilots. Rick Neilsen Rick N/Gang: Doesn't encourage me to fly up there anymore. Looks like Bohagen (???) is doing what he wants to do at the expense of use fly in and camp out pilots. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: "gotime242" Hello all, I'm pretty new to the kolb. I have a firestar II that i have flown twice so far. It has two holes for the main wing spar, i have been flyng on the lower one, so it has a higher angle of incidence. How would the airplane handle with the lower angle of incidence setting? I understand the aerodynamics of it, but i would like to hear from kolb specific flyers. So far i am still getting use to having to come in and land this thing with no flare and its interesting way of losing elevator authority at slow speeds while trying to land. (For now im just landing with a little power). With the other setting (lower angle of incidence)....how does it land? How does it cruise? Stall characteristics? Thanks!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307946#307946 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Complete re-paint of Kolb. From: "gotime242" Hello again... My kolb is currently in need of some patches and paint in quite a few areas. Its to the point where it would be nice to just repaint the entire airplane. Its done with the poly process. I just ordered a patch kit from ac spruce (will be my first time working with fabric...hope it goes well). What would be the best way about repainting the entire airplane? Is it necessary to completely remove the paint down to the fabric? Or would just a light sanding do the trick? The fabric itself (other than the holes, bad touch ups and lots of hanger rash lol)....is in good shape. I just want it to be pretty again. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307949#307949 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: "Richard Pike" You might not even need to go to 3/16" rivets, you might even be able to get by with 5/32" rivets. And it wouldn't hurt to drill the hole to 5/32" and see what it looked like, if it doesn't look sufficient, go to 3/16". Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307953#307953 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:05 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment > You might not even need to go to 3/16" rivets=2C you might even be able to get by with 5/32" rivets. And it wouldn't hurt to drill the hole to 5/32 " and see what it looked like=2C if it doesn't look sufficient=2C go to 3/1 6". > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Richard=2C Yeah=2C I forgot about 5/32 rivets. I think you're probably right=2C the offset is likely to be so small that a cleanup with a 5/32nd drilbit would take care of everything . While we're talking about rivets and such=2C the fact of the matter is I' d probably use those 5/32" DRIVEN rivets. Why not? You've got pretty good access for your bucking ba r. I know pop rivets could work=2C but if I was doing what Chris needs to do=2C I'd just drive the rivets. Especially considering the fact I have all the proper pneumatic stuff (rive t gun and loads of bucking bars) and a gazillion drive rivets. FWIW. At any rate=2C that's what I'd do. I spent the day out in my shop (finally) fabricating the center radio con sole. Hot and humid as heck. Center console will have the Garmin 296 (w/ panel dock)=2C King transponder=2C Icom A200 com radio=2C and Dynon D10A EFIS. The panel that runs along the front of the windscreen will have the rest of the instruments (like airspeed=2C rate of climb=2C tach=2C clock=2C etc.) Hard to get a lot done in this heat and humidity. I could lower my hange r door and turn on the A/C=2C but I like the lighting with the door up. I must be just a co mplainer. I'd probably gripe if my kids paid me back the money they owe me....with wrinkled hundred doll ar bills. Mike Welch MkIII CX ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:36 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. It has two holes for the main wing spar, If I remember correctly, the plans only call for one hole in the middle of the tab. If your`s has two holes they either changed the plans or it was a builder modification. I don`t know how changing to the other hole will change the way it flies. Also my guess is, not many of the FSII`s have two holes. I could be wrong, so this information is worth what you paid for it. Lanny FSII N598LF ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Landing video From: Richard Girard I couldn't sleep worth a darn last night so I finished the landing video. I hope this will give anyone transitioning to the Mk III a good idea of what the sight picture is like as you fly base, turn to final, and land. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-YaW9WgEU Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: Richard Girard I don't know Mike, a badly driven rivet and you've got a lot of work to drill it out. I'd recommend 5/32" stainless steel rivets (go to mcmaster.comfor them) Going from memory the have about a 500 lb shear strength and to remove a bad one all you have to do is drill off the head and pull them out from the boom tube's ID. Not to mention that learning to do a good driven rivet takes time to learn to do, and pull rivets are pretty simple. If I were really concerned I'd go to a Cherry Max that retains the mandrel but that take a whole different puller than a regular pop rivet. Good call on the fix it and make it right, guys. Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > > > You might not even need to go to 3/16" rivets, you might even be able to > get by with 5/32" rivets. And it wouldn't hurt to drill the hole to 5/32" > and see what it looked like, if it doesn't look sufficient, go to 3/16". > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Richard, > > Yeah, I forgot about 5/32 rivets. I think you're probably right, the > offset is likely to be > so small that a cleanup with a 5/32nd drilbit would take care of > everything. > > > While we're talking about rivets and such, the fact of the matter is I'd > probably use those 5/32" > DRIVEN rivets. Why not? You've got pretty good access for your bucking > bar. I know pop > rivets could work, but if I was doing what Chris needs to do, I'd just > drive the rivets. > Especially considering the fact I have all the proper pneumatic stuff > (rivet gun and loads of > bucking bars) and a gazillion drive rivets. FWIW. > > At any rate, that's what I'd do. > > I spent the day out in my shop (finally) fabricating the center radio > console. Hot and > humid as heck. Center console will have the Garmin 296 (w/ panel dock), > King transponder, > Icom A200 com radio, and Dynon D10A EFIS. The panel that runs along the > front of the > windscreen will have the rest of the instruments (like airspeed, rate of > climb, tach, clock, etc.) > > Hard to get a lot done in this heat and humidity. I could lower my > hanger door and turn on > the A/C, but I like the lighting with the door up. I must be just a > complainer. I'd probably gripe > if my kids paid me back the money they owe me....with wrinkled hundred > dollar bills. > > Mike Welch > MkIII CX > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: Richard Girard This is one that needs to be talked over with Travis and the guys at the factory, IMHO. Assuming you would get a similar effect that the Mark IIIX gets, lowering the angle of incidence will raise the nose of the fuselage. The wing has to fly at a given angle to produce lift based on airspeed so the only thing that can change is the angle of the fuselage. Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > > It has two holes for the main wing spar, > If I remember correctly, the plans only call for one hole in the middle of > the tab. If your`s has two holes they either changed the plans or it was a > builder modification. I don`t know how changing to the other hole will > change the way it flies. Also my guess is, not many of the FSII`s have two > holes. I could be wrong, so this information is worth what you paid for it. > Lanny FSII N598LF > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: "Eugene Zimmerman" The lower wing incidence will make the tailwheel hit the runway even sooner when landing making a flare even more impossible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307983#307983 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Complete re-paint of Kolb. From: "Richard Pike" I would suggest that to get the best info straight from the horse's mouth, call these guys - Jim & Dondi Miller http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ They would come to the Kolb fly-ins and do covering seminars, they know more about Stits than probably anybody, and they are very nice people who graciously answer even stupid questions. (Guess how I know that?) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307984#307984 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: "gotime242" Hmm...kind of worries me now. The kit was built in 1996/97 if that makes any difference (if it was diff then). I really hope it wasnt just a modification :( Eugene does your kolb have these two holes? Does anyone else have two holes? Ill have to check the plans tomorrow... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307985#307985 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Complete re-paint of Kolb. From: Richard Girard Best way to learn what questions to ask is to get the Polyfiber manual. You can get it from Spruce. Unless you have Aerothane you could use rejuvenator and save yourself a bunch of time and money and keep from adding a weight to your airplane. If you have Aerothane you'll have to strip the aircraft and re-cover. Guess how I know that one? Rick Girard Saving to re-cover Zulu Delta On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > I would suggest that to get the best info straight from the horse's mouth, > call these guys - Jim & Dondi Miller > http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ > They would come to the Kolb fly-ins and do covering seminars, they know > more about Stits than probably anybody, and they are very nice people who > graciously answer even stupid questions. (Guess how I know that?) > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307984#307984 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:16 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Complete re-paint of Kolb. Brother 242: When you say "poly process" I assume you mean the color coats are Poly Tone and not the Stits poly process gloss Aerothane... If you have the poly tone, you can work with it without a recovering. Suggest you get a copy of the Stits Poly Process manual "How to Cover an Aircraft". See Appendix F... on rejuvenation of poly tone... Following rejuvenation, the book sez you can finish off the process with a fresh color coat of poly tone. It doesn't say, but I would guess it might be a good idea to use the same color as the original paint, and I would suspect fancy stripes and designs on the old paint could have the potential to be entertaining if hit with a tad too much rejuvenator... Might be worth a call to the Stits Poly works. Worth what ye paid fer it... Beauford FF- 076 Brandon, FL -----Original Message----- My kolb is currently in need of some patches and paint in quite a few areas. Its to the point where it would be nice to just repaint the entire airplane. Its done with the poly process. What would be the best way about repainting the entire airplane? Is it necessary to completely remove the paint down to the fabric? Or would just a light sanding do the trick? The fabric itself (other than the holes, bad touch ups and lots of hanger rash lol)....is in good shape. I just want it to be pretty again. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: inching ever closer to first flight From: "Kip" Great job and good luck with the flight testing... :D -------- 2000 Firestar II R503 DCDI VLS 750 2010 Waiex Jabiru 3300 1980 Quickie 1 Electric? Needs restoration! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307997#307997 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: "Eugene Zimmerman" I believe any hole that is there was put there by the builder or a subsequent owner modifier. I may be wrong but It is my opinion that Kolb did not drill any wing attach holes for the wing spar attach points. At least that was the case on all the kolb planes I built. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308000#308000 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:42 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. > > The lower wing incidence will make the tailwheel hit the runway even > sooner when landing making a flare even more impossible. Gene/Folks: One of the first things I noticed first time I flew Sling Shot was the exagerated tail low attitude of the SS at slow speeds caused by much less wing incidence than I was familiar with in the other model Kolbs. Pull on the flaperons and it leveled up pretty good. john h mkIII - Learning to walk before I can fly again. ;-) ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:31 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. > > Hmm...kind of worries me now. The kit was built in 1996/97 if that makes > any difference (if it was diff then). > > I really hope it wasnt just a modification :( > > Eugene does your kolb have these two holes? > > Does anyone else have two holes? Ill have to check the plans tomorrow... gotime242/Folks: Sounds like your builder made a mistake when he originally rigged the wings, then went back and corrected it, or....he was experimenting with less wing incidence to see the difference in flight characteristics and performance. Just a big ole guess. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: "gotime242" Crap. Wish i never asked now, because thats a little unsettling. Oh well....it still flies well. Here is a pic: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308005#308005 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0145_155.jpg ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:19 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing video Rick, I enjoyed the video. Reminds me of the time I talked my GA flight instructor to go for a ride with me in my Mark III, to sign me off on a solo. I took it up to pattern altitude, kept it flying level until the numbers were starting to disappear under the nose, pulled full flaps and hit the numbers. I thought I did pretty well, but my instructor had been trying to climb out through the top of the wing and he was quite white. He did sign me off, but wouldn't fly with me again in it. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: "racerjerry" You mentioned that your horizontal stabilizers are off a total of 2 inches or 1 inch on each side. If your vertical stabilizer is 0.5 inch off, how is it that your horizontal stabilizers are off 1 inch on each side? That would be correct only if each horizontal stabilizer was twice as long as the vertical stabilize is tall. They are roughly the same size. Check to see if you have not accidentally swapped horizontal stabilizer support cables from side to side. Again, 0.5 inch error at the tip is NO BIG DEAL. It amounts to about .030 at the boom tube. Forget it and go fly. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308011#308011 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:41 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. - One of my sets of wings for the Firestar had three holes to set inciden ce.- I asked about it, and somebody said to use the center hole, but the others could be used without any problem.- Just a matter of fine tuning, I guess. - ------------------------- --------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- --------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- --------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Two settings for wing Angle of Incidence. From: Richard Girard I'd say the original builder screwed up when he drilled the upper hole and corrected it. Both my Mk III and my Firestar are drilled in approximately the same as the lower hole. It's your experiment, but I'd leave it where you have it if it was me. As Beauford says, "Worth what ye paid for it". Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:58 PM, gotime242 wrote: > > Crap. Wish i never asked now, because thats a little unsettling. Oh > well....it still flies well. > > Here is a pic: > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308005#308005 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0145_155.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment From: Richard Girard Jerry, wouldn't it bind up the hinges, though? I've been trying to picture this, but I think he's right to want to correct it. I agree with you that the length of the wire's may play a role in all this, but from the info we have it's difficult to factor it in. Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:42 PM, racerjerry wrote: > > You mentioned that your horizontal stabilizers are off a total of 2 inches > or 1 inch on each side. If your vertical stabilizer is 0.5 inch off, how is > it that your horizontal stabilizers are off 1 inch on each side? That would > be correct only if each horizontal stabilizer was twice as long as the > vertical stabilize is tall. They are roughly the same size. > > Check to see if you have not accidentally swapped horizontal stabilizer > support cables from side to side. Again, 0.5 inch error at the tip is NO > BIG DEAL. It amounts to about .030 at the boom tube. Forget it and go fly. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308011#308011 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.