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Tue 08/10/10


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 06:14 AM - Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Bob Kravis)
     2. 06:30 AM - Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Richard Pike)
     3. 06:34 AM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Richard Pike)
     4. 07:25 AM - Re: Gap seal (Chris_A)
     5. 08:20 AM - Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on? (henry.voris)
     6. 08:38 AM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Jack B. Hart)
     7. 08:56 AM - Great point Rick... (Bob Green)
     8. 09:12 AM - Re: tires for MKIIIC (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
     9. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Landing video (Richard Girard)
    10. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: tires for MKIIIC (Richard Girard)
    11. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment (Richard Girard)
    12. 11:05 AM - : Re: tires for MKIIIC - Dennis & Rick (Dawn Pistocchi)
    13. 11:24 AM - Re: : Re: tires for MKIIIC - Dennis & Rick (Richard Girard)
    14. 01:07 PM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Bob Kravis)
    15. 01:37 PM - trim tabs (Larry Cottrell)
    16. 01:54 PM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Larry Cottrell)
    17. 01:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Richard Neilsen)
    18. 02:02 PM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Bob Kravis)
    19. 02:18 PM - Re: trim tabs (Gene & Tammy)
    20. 02:21 PM - Re: trim tabs (Gene & Tammy)
    21. 02:22 PM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Richard Neilsen)
    22. 05:28 PM - Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:14:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com>
    I recently stumbled on this http://www.ultralitetoys.com/ and wondered if anybody had any experience of thoughts about it. There are pictures of it if you click the link near the bottom of the page. They list a model for my Firefly.


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    Time: 06:30:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    [quote="rickofudall"]On my Mk III what causes the movement is rudder flutter pure and simple. If I take my feet off the rudder peddles the tail starts to shake with increasing amplitude. It's why after 150 + hours Zulu Delta is still in phase 1 testing and my flying is limited to my test area given me by my FSDO. The cure, for me is to remove all the dead weight from the improperly applied Aerothane by re-covering the empenage and balancing the surfaces. Until then I cannot in good conscience sign off the logbook that the aircraft has no dangerous tendencies. My experiment, my solution. Rick Girard [quote][b] A counterbalance on the rudder works just as well for the rudder as a counterbalance for the aileron works for the aileron. You mention lightening the surfaces and balancing them, that will help. I suspect that due to the prop pulsing against the rudder, that simply lightening the rudder without a counterbalance will not resolve the problem. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308190#308190


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    Time: 06:34:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Here are pictures of the trim used on the FSII, which worked very well. After I mow the yard this morning, I will be putting the controls back in the aircraft later today, and may get far enough along to reinstall the trim system. If I do, I'll post some detailed pictures. http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20Hot%20Box.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308191#308191


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    Time: 07:25:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gap seal
    From: "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser@cox.net>
    I came across coloring the gap seal in the kolb build manual. They suggest Rit dye and even give the formula to make maroon. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308200#308200


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    Time: 08:20:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?
    From: "henry.voris" <henry_voris@yahoo.com>
    "... mountain flying and flight over open water usually are beyond the scope of private pilot training." (Jeppesen) In Hawaii if you're not over the open ocean or mountains... You're still on the runway... "Hostile" and "Terrain" are inseparable words here. Aloha -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308211#308211


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    Time: 08:38:36 AM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com> > I recently stumbled on thishttp://www.ultralitetoys.com/and wondered if anybody had any experience of thoughts about it. There are pictures of it if you click the link near the bottom of the page. They list a model for my Firefly. > Bob, There is not much need for a trim on the elevator if the FireFly is trimmed out at normal load and cruise speed. If one has to hold excessive amounts of stick off of center under these conditions it is best to raise or lower the horizontal stabilizer to center the stick. If further trim is desired it is a much lighter way to go is to use a simple bungee or spring off the rudder horn on the control stick. How this can be done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly57.html Other information on how to trim out the FireFly can be found at (index): http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN


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    Time: 08:56:51 AM PST US
    From: Bob Green <bgreen@bimi.org>
    Subject: Great point Rick...
    You make a very good point Rick. Definitely best to know the fabric is worthy of all that work and expense. It is good that you can drive to your Polyfiber provider. Bob Green Time: 07:42:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List... "gotime 242... From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> Bob, I agree with what you say although I've never done any business with Jim and Dondi. Many people on this list recommend them, too. Here in Kansas we have a Polyfiber distributor at Mound Ridge. I can drive there and get my supplies, ask questions and save the shipping costs. That being said I've not seen anyone remind this fellow (it would be nice to know your name, rather than a computer moniker, by the way) that the very first step should be to test the fabric to see if it is worthy of the effort of doing anything with it. If it won't pass the test described in Appendix F of the Polyfiber manual the fabric is junk and should be replaced. The test is bone simple. The manual calls it the "Hang it on the Wall Test". Quoting the manual "If the fabric breaks, it fails. Time to re-cover. It would be a shame to go to all the trouble to repaint, rejuvenate or do anything to junk fabric. Do the test first. Rick Girard


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    Time: 09:12:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: tires for MKIIIC
    From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Dawn Pistocchi wrote: << Any recommendations where to buy tires for my MarkIIIC? The tires on there now are marked "15/600-6 tubeless" ... Thanks! Dawn >> Hi, Dawn - If you are interested in installing a set of "Kolbra tires" (that's what the folks at the New Kolb company calls 'em) on your Mark-III, I have a slightly used pair for sale. They are size 8.00x6 and fit on the standard six-inch Kolb rims. These are the fat tires you often see on many light sport airplanes - the Zenith CH-701 uses them exclusively. The set I have includes inner tubes. I had these on my Kolb for about a year, but took them off last summer. All my landings are on paved runways, and it was a waste to have these balloon-y tires if I never get to land on grass strips. (very sad) Made about a 4 mph difference in cruise speeds with these, compared to the 6.00x6 tires I am using now. They probably have about 20 to 30 landings on them. They are still in excellent shape. I bought these tires from New Kolb for about $45 each. Am willing to let them go for $50 for the pair (including tubes). Lemme know if you are interested ... Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul Sandia Park, NM


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    Time: 10:14:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing video
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    How about we agree on the need to maintain a good scan of the landing area and not fixate on the area right in front of the aircraft. Rick On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:35 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > John, I don't know about you but I can't see under my airplane, it has a > floor. I could open a door I suppose, but I'm a little busy to do that while > I'm landing. :-} > > Rick > > > Rick: > > Maybe you would have understood what I said if I had said, "under the nose > of the aircraft", then again, maybe not. > > john h > mkIII > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 10:19:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: tires for MKIIIC
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Dennis, If Dawn doesn't want them I do. Dawn, you have right of first refusal. Is that okay with you Dennis? Rick Girard On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN < Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote: > Dawn Pistocchi wrote: << Any recommendations where to buy tires for my > MarkIIIC? The tires on > > there now are marked "15/600-6 tubeless" =85 Thanks! Dawn >> > > > Hi, Dawn ' > > > If you are interested in installing a set of =93Kolbra tires=94 (that=92s what > the folks at the New Kolb company calls =91em) on your Mark-III, I have a > slightly used pair for sale. They are size 8.00x6 and fit on the standar d > six-inch Kolb rims. These are the fat tires you often see on many light > sport airplanes ' the Zenith CH-701 uses them exclusively. The set I h ave > includes inner tubes. > > > I had these on my Kolb for about a year, but took them off last summer. > All my landings are on paved runways, and it was a waste to have these > balloon-y tires if I never get to land on grass strips. (very sad) Made > about a 4 mph difference in cruise speeds with these, compared to the 6.0 0x6 > tires I am using now. They probably have about 20 to 30 landings on them . > They are still in excellent shape. > > > I bought these tires from New Kolb for about $45 each. Am willing to let > them go for $50 for the pair (including tubes). Lemme know if you are > interested =85 > > > Dennis Kirby > > Mark-3, 912ul > > Sandia Park, NM > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 10:20:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Acceptable horizontal stabilizer adjustment
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    "by re-covering the empenage and *balancing the surfaces*." Richard, I believe that's what I said. Rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > > [quote="rickofudall"]On my Mk III what causes the movement is rudder > flutter pure and simple. If I take my feet off the rudder peddles the tail > starts to shake with increasing amplitude. It's why after 150 + hours Zulu > Delta is still in phase 1 testing and my flying is limited to my test area > given me by my FSDO. The cure, for me is to remove all the dead weight from > the improperly applied Aerothane by re-covering the empenage and balancing > the surfaces. Until then I cannot in good conscience sign off the logbook > that the aircraft has no dangerous tendencies. My experiment, my solution. > > Rick Girard > [quote][b] > > A counterbalance on the rudder works just as well for the rudder as a > counterbalance for the aileron works for the aileron. You mention lightening > the surfaces and balancing them, that will help. I suspect that due to the > prop pulsing against the rudder, that simply lightening the rudder without a > counterbalance will not resolve the problem. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308190#308190 > >


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    Time: 11:05:54 AM PST US
    From: Dawn Pistocchi <Dawn@iParamotor.com>
    Subject: Re: : Re: tires for MKIIIC - Dennis & Rick
    Dennis & Rick, Sorry to reply to the whole list, but I just tried emailing Dennis privately & it came back. I would be interested in the tires. I did already order a set of retreads (in the same size as I have) from Desser this morning, but once my training (on paved runways) is finished, I'll have the plane on a grass strip, so I think they'll be great for then. Dennis - I'm in Iowa. let me know what they might cost to ship and we'll settle up. Thanks, Dawn On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote: > Dawn Pistocchi wrote: << Any recommendations where to buy tires for > my MarkIIIC? The tires on > there now are marked "15/600-6 tubeless" =85 Thanks! Dawn >> > > Hi, Dawn ' > > If you are interested in installing a set of =93Kolbra tires=94 (that=92s > what the folks at the New Kolb company calls =91em) on your Mark-III, > I have a slightly used pair for sale. They are size 8.00x6 and fit > on the standard six-inch Kolb rims. These are the fat tires you > often see on many light sport airplanes ' the Zenith CH-701 uses > them exclusively. The set I have includes inner tubes. > > I had these on my Kolb for about a year, but took them off last > summer. All my landings are on paved runways, and it was a waste to > have these balloon-y tires if I never get to land on grass strips. > (very sad) Made about a 4 mph difference in cruise speeds with > these, compared to the 6.00x6 tires I am using now. They probably > have about 20 to 30 landings on them. They are still in excellent > shape. > > I bought these tires from New Kolb for about $45 each. Am willing > to let them go for $50 for the pair (including tubes). Lemme know > if you are interested =85 > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, 912ul > Sandia Park, NM > >


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    Time: 11:24:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: : Re: tires for MKIIIC - Dennis & Rick
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Dawn, I have them on my MkIII already. They work fine on asphalt or concret e so you'll like them. I run mine at about 12 psi for a little bit of nerf action. Rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Dawn Pistocchi <Dawn@iparamotor.com> wrote : > Dennis & Rick, > > Sorry to reply to the whole list, but I just tried emailing Dennis > privately & it came back. > > I would be interested in the tires. I did already order a set of retreads > (in the same size as I have) from Desser this morning, but once my traini ng > (on paved runways) is finished, I'll have the plane on a grass strip, so I > think they'll be great for then. > > Dennis - I'm in Iowa. let me know what they might cost to ship and we'll > settle up. > > Thanks, > Dawn > > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote: > > Dawn Pistocchi wrote: << Any recommendations where to buy tires for my > MarkIIIC? The tires on > there now are marked "15/600-6 tubeless" =85 Thanks! Dawn >> > > Hi, Dawn ' > > If you are interested in installing a set of =93Kolbra tires=94 (that=92s what > the folks at the New Kolb company calls =91em) on your Mark-III, I have a > slightly used pair for sale. They are size 8.00x6 and fit on the standar d > six-inch Kolb rims. These are the fat tires you often see on many light > sport airplanes ' the Zenith CH-701 uses them exclusively. The set I h ave > includes inner tubes. > > I had these on my Kolb for about a year, but took them off last summer. > All my landings are on paved runways, and it was a waste to have these > balloon-y tires if I never get to land on grass strips. (very sad) Made > about a 4 mph difference in cruise speeds with these, compared to the 6.0 0x6 > tires I am using now. They probably have about 20 to 30 landings on them . > They are still in excellent shape. > > I bought these tires from New Kolb for about $45 each. Am willing to let > them go for $50 for the pair (including tubes). Lemme know if you are > interested =85 > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, 912ul > Sandia Park, NM > > > * > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/contribution > * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 01:07:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com>
    Yes, thank you Jack. I turned to your website first (again, again) and saw how you had effected an in flight trim system. It was just the one-stop-solution that I found appealing. Bob On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>wrote: > > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:13:25 -0400 > From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com> > > > I recently stumbled on this http://www.ultralitetoys.com/ and wondered if > anybody had any experience of thoughts about it. There are pictures of it > if you click the link near the bottom of the page. They list a model for > my > Firefly. > > > > Bob, > > There is not much need for a trim on the elevator if the FireFly is trimmed > out at normal load and cruise speed. If one has to hold excessive amounts > of stick off of center under these conditions it is best to raise or lower > the horizontal stabilizer to center the stick. > > If further trim is desired it is a much lighter way to go is to use a > simple > bungee or spring off the rudder horn on the control stick. How this can be > done can be seen at: > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly57.html > > Other information on how to trim out the FireFly can be found at (index): > > http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > >


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    Time: 01:37:02 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: trim tabs
    Here are the factory paper for trim tabs. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.


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    Time: 01:54:24 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    Most of the time, dare I say, almost all the time you will be flying at one speed which is the most comfortable for you and the airplane. I have found the sweet spot for my Firestar and it is at 5300 rpm and about 62 MPH (HKS 700 E). I just sent a drawing by Kolb on how to install a trim tab. What you do is make it out of Lexan, and make it bigger than what you need. Try it out, and if there is too much tab, draw a line with a marker, trim it with tin shears and take it up again. Keep doing it until you find the sweet spot. Then if you are going somewhere and want to climb to altitude, you have the choice of pulling the stick back or giving it more throttle. Mine at full sustainable throttle climbs at about 250 fpm. You want to descend, throttle back and your descent is nice and gradual, and the speed is about the same. Yeah, there is no doubt that you can put all that stuff on the plane and $125. isn't bad. The other costs you a bit of time flying and experimenting, but it doesn't cost anything. I have been trying to think why I would want a fully adjustable trim tab, and I have to admit, for me it isn't necessary or even desired. Like the man says " Your mileage may differ". Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.


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    Time: 01:59:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh
    From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Ohoo.... Yes how could I forget that MKIIIX at the Kolb trailer at Oshkosh. I'm treble at remembering names so I will just say that it was one of the finest Kolbs I have ever seen. Well done Scott and ?. Plenty of real nice features. Should have been a winner but I'm told that you have to fly to get a prize and this one didn't have its hours flow off yet. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:57 PM, <gliderx5@comcast.net> wrote: > I had my MKII there Monday evening through Friday morning. I only flew > Wednesday evening due to an combination of mis-communications with the > volunteers, and realizing that I did not have my registration with me. They > said to be prepared for a ramp check at the briefing. I decided after > towing it out for 15 hours that I would at least do a couple times around > the patch, but I don't need anymore dealings with the FAA. > > I had really hoped to show the trailer and the Kolb together as an > affordable solution to flying, trailering, hangaring, and camping, but the > Kolb and trailer were about a 15 minute walk away from each other. A > handful of folks did see the unloading and loading, but it was a secret for > the most part. > > There was a MKIII Extra at the Kolb booth that look really nice. > > Malcolm Morrison > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenrm@gmail.com> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 12:23:30 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh > > I drove to Oshkosh this year and glad I did. It was nice to see the > Kolb factory trailer in the light plane area again but it just isn't the > same. They don't allow camping with your plane on the south west side of the > strip any more. They have moved the fence and they now allow trailer camping > where we used to camp with our planes. Funny how they figured out how to get > trash and toilets in there when they couldn't do that for us plane campers. > Light plane camping is now only allowed near the red barn and you have to > drag your plane through the crowds of people to your camping spot hundreds > of feet from the runway. It works for the factory planes with a team of > helpers but not for individual pilots. > > There were three Kolbs in the camping area but only the firestar flew much. > No factory planes were there. > > Rick Neilsen > 1st Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 02:02:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com>
    Thank you Larry. Jack Hart had similar advice. I've saved $125 ;-) Bob On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>wrote: > Most of the time, dare I say, almost all the time you will be flying at > one speed which is the most comfortable for you and the airplane. I have > found the sweet spot for my Firestar and it is at 5300 rpm and about 62 MPH > (HKS 700 E). I just sent a drawing by Kolb on how to install a trim tab. > What you do is make it out of Lexan, and make it bigger than what you need. > Try it out, and if there is too much tab, draw a line with a marker, trim it > with tin shears and take it up again. Keep doing it until you find the sweet > spot. Then if you are going somewhere and want to climb to altitude, you > have the choice of pulling the stick back or giving it more throttle. Mine > at full sustainable throttle climbs at about 250 fpm. You want to descend, > throttle back and your descent is nice and gradual, and the speed is about > the same. > > Yeah, there is no doubt that you can put all that stuff on the plane and > $125. isn't bad. The other costs you a bit of time flying and experimenting, > but it doesn't cost anything. I have been trying to think why I would want a > fully adjustable trim tab, and I have to admit, for me it isn't necessary or > even desired. Like the man says " Your mileage may differ". > > Larry > > > Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, > which includes my email address. > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 02:18:23 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: trim tabs
    Larry, thank you very much for sending the factory plans for a trim tab. Would it be possible for you to send another one, this time with a better view of the rudder trim tab. Mine was cut off and I couldn't see it or read the printing for the rudder. Thank you Gene From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: trim tabs Here are the factory paper for trim tabs. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.


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    Time: 02:21:55 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: trim tabs
    Disregard may last msg Larry. When I printed it out I received all of it. Thank you Gene From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: trim tabs Here are the factory paper for trim tabs. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.


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    Time: 02:22:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Bob This is Ted Woodall's kit. He flys a Kolb firestar and a Cessna 180. He is a retired Lear jet pilot and like his planes trimmed. I understand the kit is about at cost because of the high cost of the bowden cable. If he could find lower cost source for the cable he could sell the kit for less. Sounds like a good product. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW powered MKIIIC On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Bob Kravis <bob.kravis@gmail.com> wrote: > I recently stumbled on this http://www.ultralitetoys.com/ and wondered if > anybody had any experience of thoughts about it. There are pictures of it > if you click the link near the bottom of the page. They list a model for my > Firefly. > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 05:28:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    When I had my Original Firestar ole N447EB I thought an adjustable elevato r trim tab was a safety feature so if the up Elevator cable ever failed I could still land my airplane with the set up I made simple and very eff ective I think I have posted pics of this setup in the photo share Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Adjustable in-flight trim kit for Firefly Most of the time, dare I say, almost all the time you will be flying at on e speed which is the most comfortable for you and the airplane. I have fou nd the sweet spot for my Firestar and it is at 5300 rpm and about 62 MPH (HKS 700 E). I just sent a drawing by Kolb on how to install a trim tab. What you do is make it out of Lexan, and make it bigger than what you nee d. Try it out, and if there is too much tab, draw a line with a marker, tr im it with tin shears and take it up again. Keep doing it until you find the sweet spot. Then if you are going somewhere and want to climb to alti tude, you have the choice of pulling the stick back or giving it more thro ttle. Mine at full sustainable throttle climbs at about 250 fpm. You want to descend, throttle back and your descent is nice and gradual, and the speed is about the same. Yeah, there is no doubt that you can put all that stuff on the plane and $125. isn't bad. The other costs you a bit of time flying and experimenti ng, but it doesn't cost anything. I have been trying to think why I would want a fully adjustable trim tab, and I have to admit, for me it isn't ne cessary or even desired. Like the man says " Your mileage may differ". Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, whi ch includes my email address. ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========




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