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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer (Dana Hague)
2. 06:02 AM - Alum gas tank (frank goodnight)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer (Larry Cottrell)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: VGs (zeprep251@aol.com)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Alum gas tank (John Hauck)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Alum gas tank (Mike Welch)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer (chris davis)
8. 12:04 PM - Re: Alum gas tank (John Hauck)
9. 01:31 PM - Re: Alum gas tank (Jim ODay)
10. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Alum gas tank (John Hauck)
11. 02:37 PM - Re: VGs (ces308)
12. 02:48 PM - Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer (russ kinne)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: Alum gas tank (Jim ODay)
14. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Alum gas tank (John Hauck)
15. 03:32 PM - Re: Alum gas tank (Jim ODay)
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Subject: | Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer |
I was going to suggest a light wooden frame and fabric, but then I reread
it and saw you wanted security.
My trailer (which I didn't build, only rebuilt) also appears to be built on
a boat trailer. The extra framing is perforated steel angle and some
channel, like they build industrial shelving units out of, all welded
together. Floor is 3/4" plywood, lower sides are 3/8" plywood, upper sides
and roof are 20GA stainless (which would NOT be cheap; the previous owner
must have had it laying around).
I had to replace pretty much all the wood. I looked at lots of options but
using plywood again was about the cheapest.
Some pictures are at
<http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/Trailer/>
-Dana
At 02:56 AM 8/19/2010, GeoB wrote:
>
>I recently bought a Kolb FS-I. A trailer came with. It is a semi-converted
>tilt boat trailer. It has heavy steel square tubing welded on the
>periphery to widen it. Works OK, no big problem.
>
>I want to keep my plane out of the weather plus I want better security. I
>am puzzling over the best way to enclose the thing.
>
>I need to keep the cost down. I have been thinking of using 1/2 EMT and
>bend it to form stringers for sides and a roof with a curving transition.
>I am thinking of fastening patio roofing panels, corrugated roofing, or
>something on there for skin.
>
>I expect to use a light plywood for flooring. I may use a heavier grade
>for the two tracks that the main gear roll on.
>
>The trailer is lightly sprung, and is great for the light-weight plane. I
>need to keep weight down so I don't have to add a leaf to the springs
>making the ride harsher.
>
>The tilt feature isn't all that important to me. It has a hand-crank boat
>winch with a wide nylon strap near the front. I may do a spring-over-axle
>conversion in order to get more ground clearance, and to better match my
>4x4. This would tend to minimize scraping the rear of the trailer on
>valley-gutters.
>
>Thinking of a vertical sort of boat prow on the front and the back.
>
>I am looking for ideas on skin and the stringers and well... really, ideas
>on everything. How to join the stringers to one another? What would be a
>cheap(ish) available light(ish) skin material? Shower enclosure gelcoat
>fiberglass panels? I have been watching craigslist for used aluminum or
>galvanized roofing panels. Maybe corrugated fiberglass panels?
>
>Thanks
>GeoB
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Hi All,=0A=0AI need to make an alum gas tank for my firestar. Not sure- w
hat thickness- or =0Awhat type of alum I need to order.=0Acan anyone out
there help me? Thanks..=0A=0AFrank- Goodnight=0Afirestar2 HKS=0ABrownsvil
le , Tx=0A
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Subject: | Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer |
What would be a cheap(ish) available light(is) skin material? Shower
enclosure gel coat fiberglass panels? I have been watching craigslist
for used aluminum or galvanized roofing panels. Maybe corrugated
fiberglass panels?
I guess it all depends on how long you want it to last. I built a
trailer for my Firestar and used corrugated roofing material in the
color that I liked. I long ago gave up building anything temporary.
Larry
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Thanks Chris,
When I became the owner of Will.s MK-3 the VGs had already been installed.
Never had the chance to fly it without them,so a comparison wasn't practic
al.BUT, I had the chance to fly another MK-3C 100 hp
without VGs and with a modified tail assy,(offset vertical, lowered horiz
ontal).Now that owner is looking at VGs and he has some time in my MK-3 an
d likes the difference in performance. I could not determine the brand tha
t are on mine hence the inquiry to Will.
You had the chance to see the difference, with/without VGs didn't you?
What is your take on them in your MK-3?
Thanks G.Aman
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From: ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:37 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VGs
Gary,
I put the AIR WAVE VG's on mine,,,....$50.00 for a box of 100....I put
I think
,96 on the wing and 68 I believe it was on the tail...vertical and
horizontal...
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 143.8 hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
Frank/Gang:
I find that .050" 5052 aluminum works well. Marine and aviation fuel tank
fabricators use 5052.
Brother Jim built my fuel tank in 1991. Since then it has flown more than
3,000.0 hours and had more than 15,000 gals of gas pumped through it. Still
sealed up tighter than Dick's hat band.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: frank goodnight
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:59 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Alum gas tank
Hi All,
I need to make an alum gas tank for my firestar. Not sure
what thickness or what type of alum I need to order.
can anyone out there help me? Thanks..
Frank Goodnight
firestar2 HKS
Brownsville , Tx
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>I find that .050" 5052 aluminum works well. (for fuel tanks)
>john h
>mkIII
John=2C Frank=2C Kolb guys in general=2C
Don't forget to include baffles in your tank design=2C Frank.
BTW=2C since you mentioned aluminum=2C I thought I'd pass along
my favorite supplier=2C Online Metal Supply. They don't carry everything
=2C
but what they do have is the best prices I've seen.
http://www.onlinemetalsupply.com/
I have to call them in a couple of minutes for some .050 AL sheet &
some 3/4" angle AL. Tell Diane Mike sent ya.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer |
George I built a trailer for my firestar KXP out of an old boat trailer that I
lightened up the springs on and added better shocks to it worked great . I
covered it with the shrinkwrap that they use to wrap boatsfor winter storage ,
I thought it would last one year and it lasted FIVE ! it only cost me a couple
hundred dollars installed and I bet if I had done it again I could do it myself
as it is very much like heat shrinking aircraft fabric only easier cause you can
use a torch to shrink it and glue it together!Hope this helps and Im sure you
can buy the shrinkwrap from a marine supplycatalog you find online. Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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From: GeoB <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 2:56:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ideas on enclosing trailer
I recently bought a Kolb FS-I. A trailer came with. It is a semi-converted tilt
boat trailer. It has heavy steel square tubing welded on the periphery to widen
it. Works OK, no big problem.
I want to keep my plane out of the weather plus I want better security. I am
puzzling over the best way to enclose the thing.
I need to keep the cost down. I have been thinking of using 1/2 EMT and bend it
to form stringers for sides and a roof with a curving transition. I am thinking
of fastening patio roofing panels, corrugated roofing, or something on there
for skin.
I expect to use a light plywood for flooring. I may use a heavier grade for the
two tracks that the main gear roll on.
The trailer is lightly sprung, and is great for the light-weight plane. I need
to keep weight down so I don't have to add a leaf to the springs making the ride
harsher.
The tilt feature isn't all that important to me. It has a hand-crank boat winch
with a wide nylon strap near the front. I may do a spring-over-axle conversion
in order to get more ground clearance, and to better match my 4x4. This would
tend to minimize scraping the rear of the trailer on valley-gutters.
Thinking of a vertical sort of boat prow on the front and the back.
I am looking for ideas on skin and the stringers and well... really, ideas on
everything. How to join the stringers to one another? What would be a cheap(ish)
available light(ish) skin material? Shower enclosure gelcoat fiberglass panels?
I have been watching craigslist for used aluminum or galvanized roofing panels.
Maybe corrugated fiberglass panels?
Thanks
GeoB
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GeoB
"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR
drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
>I find that .050" 5052 aluminum works well. (for fuel tanks)
>john h
>mkIII
John, Frank, Kolb guys in general,
Don't forget to include baffles in your tank design, Frank.
BTW, since you mentioned aluminum, I thought I'd pass along
my favorite supplier, Online Metal Supply.
Mike Welch
MkIII
Mike W/Gang:
I try to get all my material from Kolb Aircraft. Travis knows what the
requirements are, and usually has the item on hand to ship immediately.
It is in the best interest of all Kolb enthusiast, especially those of us
that have been with Kolb for many years, and hope for many more years of
support from them, to help them out as much as we can.
Baffles are one of many requirements for fabricating a good fuel tank for a
Kolb. Thanks for that bit of info. Do have other requirements one should
consider when building an aluminum fuel tank for a Kolb?
john h
mkIII - Kolb customer for more than 26 years...
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
This is the set up I had in my FSII. The tank is .070 (forgot the alloy) and it
held 8 gallons. BARELY fit into the spot without cutting any tubes. Tank had
a 1/2 baffle installed.
Had a sight gauge on it but was worried about that so I took it off and welded
the holes shut. Had a sending unit on the tank with a float and that worked very
well and was accurate. Used it when flying and filling.
The tank had two outlets so that it could drain from both the front and rear, on
opposite corners to minimize the chance to un-port the supply to the strainer.
The pic with blue tape on the tank was during the time I installed a new fill fitting,
the original did not work well. I ended up with a male cam lock on the
tank and a female cam lock cap. The locking arms could be secured when used
in flight and easily opened for fueling.
I ended up making a set up to fill it remote using clear hose and cam lock couplers,
that worked well and as long as I did not over fill, the operation was dry.
It was a nice set up, but I always wished I would have had the plastic tanks, easier
to fill, watch, see inside, can get more fuel on board........
Fly safe guys and gals.
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
Had a sight gauge on it but was worried about that so I took it off and
welded the holes shut. Had a sending unit on the tank with a float and that
worked very well and was accurate. Used it when flying and filling.
Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
Hi Jim O/Gang:
Hardly worth all the money and effort for an additinal 3 gals of fuel.
I built an 18 gal tank for my original FS. Used the area up top and behind
the bulkhead to mount it. This opened up the area below for my cargo
compartment. I use the same set up in my MKIII, but had room for a 25 gal
tank.
I also use a fuel sight gauge. Have gotten excellent service out of it for
the life of the tank with no problems.
john h
mkIII
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Gary..
if you go to You Tube and search ces308 I have videos on there from before
and after....there is on on there where I am cruising at 35 mph,making turns
and what ever and I could not do that before...I never got slower than 45...it
just felt like it wanted to stop flying.
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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Subject: | Re: Ideas on enclosing trailer |
Chris
Some members may not know this, but up north, in the spring, there
are ACRES of boat shrink-wrap peeled off of
winter-stored boats & available for free. It is recycled and melted
down but you can get a whole bunch for the asking.
Good stuff too, even glue-able into bigger sheets.
On Aug 19, 2010, at 12:39 PM, chris davis wrote:
>
> George I built a trailer for my firestar KXP out of an old boat
> trailer that I
> lightened up the springs on and added better shocks to it worked
> great . I
> covered it with the shrinkwrap that they use to wrap boats for
> winter storage ,
> I thought it would last one year and it lasted FIVE ! it only cost
> me a couple
> hundred dollars installed and I bet if I had done it again I could
> do it myself
> as it is very much like heat shrinking aircraft fabric only easier
> cause you can
> use a torch to shrink it and glue it together! Hope this helps and
> Im sure you
> can buy the shrinkwrap from a marine supply catalog you find
> online. Chris
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: GeoB <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 2:56:03 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Ideas on enclosing trailer
>
>
> I recently bought a Kolb FS-I. A trailer came with. It is a semi-
> converted tilt
> boat trailer. It has heavy steel square tubing welded on the
> periphery to widen
> it. Works OK, no big problem.
>
> I want to keep my plane out of the weather plus I want better
> security. I am
> puzzling over the best way to enclose the thing.
>
> I need to keep the cost down. I have been thinking of using 1/2 EMT
> and bend it
> to form stringers for sides and a roof with a curving transition. I
> am thinking
> of fastening patio roofing panels, corrugated roofing, or
> something on there
> for skin.
>
> I expect to use a light plywood for flooring. I may use a heavier
> grade for the
> two tracks that the main gear roll on.
>
>
> The trailer is lightly sprung, and is great for the light-weight
> plane. I need
> to keep weight down so I don't have to add a leaf to the springs
> making the ride
> harsher.
>
>
> The tilt feature isn't all that important to me. It has a hand-
> crank boat winch
> with a wide nylon strap near the front. I may do a spring-over-axle
> conversion
> in order to get more ground clearance, and to better match my 4x4.
> This would
> tend to minimize scraping the rear of the trailer on valley-gutters.
>
> Thinking of a vertical sort of boat prow on the front and the back.
>
> I am looking for ideas on skin and the stringers and well...
> really, ideas on
> everything. How to join the stringers to one another? What would be
> a cheap(ish)
> available light(ish) skin material? Shower enclosure gelcoat
> fiberglass panels?
> I have been watching craigslist for used aluminum or galvanized
> roofing panels.
> Maybe corrugated fiberglass panels?
>
> Thanks
> GeoB
>
> --------
> GeoB
>
> "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like
> NASCAR
> drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309357#309357
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
John and Gang,
A lot of the things I did along the build were hardly worth the money or effort.
The entire inside was all lined with a nice fuzzy fabric, just like a trunk
of a nice car. Function - none.
I was thinking that this thing would be light enough to be an UL but as things
not worth the money and effort were added, it became fat. I called the tank a
5 gallon tank but it held 8, but if you only put 5 in it, I figured it could
be called that. Before the bird found its new home, I was scoping out how to add
more fuel.
And, 8 was not enough fuel on board, more gallons = more options. I was looking
at the plastic tanks thinking I could get 12 gallons on. Never saw a way to
add 18! OMG, that would is a bladder expander. Relief tube would be added next.
And, yes, the sight guage was fine and dead ass simple and reliable, but, I could
not see it so, the electric gauge.....hardly worth the effort or money, yep
agree.
And with unnecessary money and effort the topic, I had a nice electric clock installed
on my panel, not a digital thing stick on thing, one with real hands and
a sweep second hand. I always wear a watch, what was I thinking.
Jim
Still watching you guys and what you are up to. I am enjoying my Citabria a lot,
I take the door off in nice days and it reminds me of the view from the Kolb,
but not even close to the view from a Kolb.
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
Jim O/Gang:
Sorry you took my comments the wrong way.
The way to get an 18 gal tank in the top rear of an original FS was build it
the same shape as the area it was going to be placed in...
We did the same thing to get a 25 gal tank in the MKIII.
An 18 gal tank is no more difficult to build than an 8 gal.
john h
mkIII
A lot of the things I did along the build were hardly worth the money or
effort.
Jim
Still watching you guys and what you are up to. I am enjoying my Citabria a
lot, I take the door off in nice days and it reminds me of the view from the
Kolb, but not even close to the view from a Kolb.
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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Subject: | Re: Alum gas tank |
I never take anything the wrong way. My wife reminds me all the time that is a
good thing that not everyone thinks like me. And after 30 years of constant
reminding, I do listen and learn from others.
Your comment just reminded me of messing with that little bird, and fond memories
for sure. She was a custom build, but aren't they all.
My post was the result of laughing at myself thinking about that clock! It did
look cool with the snazzy red second hand. :D But that nice black interior
lining, that was over the top!
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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