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Sun 08/22/10


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 07:01 AM - flight over great salt lake (b young)
     2. 07:09 AM - Fuel tank (frank goodnight)
     3. 07:47 AM - Re: Fuel tank (John Hauck)
     4. 07:54 AM - fuel tank (John Hauck)
     5. 08:37 AM - Re: flight over great salt lake (Richard Girard)
     6. 08:43 AM - Re: Fuel tank (robert bean)
     7. 08:47 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Richard Girard)
     8. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel tank (b young)
     9. 11:46 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Dana Hague)
    10. 11:58 AM - Re: Fuel tank (frank goodnight)
    11. 01:54 PM - OT old date on msg OT (George Bearden)
    12. 02:06 PM - Re: OT old date on message OT (william sullivan)
    13. 02:09 PM - Re: OT old date on msg OT (russ kinne)
    14. 03:06 PM - test (frank goodnight)
    15. 03:13 PM - Re: test (russ kinne)
    16. 04:38 PM - Looking For Jim Clayton (Richard Neilsen)
    17. 05:23 PM - Re: test (chris davis)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:01:40 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: flight over great salt lake
    last weekend my wife and I went for a ride over and around the great salt lake leaving the mainland and heading for Freemont island flying from Freemont island to antelope island the north and of antelope island antelope island connected to mainland by causeway flying back from antelope island to Freemont island and the mainland. those getting the list in the digest mode will not see the pictures... sorry do not archive Boyd Young MKIII


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    Time: 07:09:29 AM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Fuel tank
    Hi All, =0A=0AAny one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .05 0 5052h3 alum ) =0Awith gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair=0Awelder bu t have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go to a =0A comercial shop and pay the 100 bucks or so ?=0A-Any thoughts would be hel pful.=0A=0AFrank =0A


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    Time: 07:47:31 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank


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    Time: 07:54:26 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: fuel tank
    Gang: This is a resend of the original. Wonder if Frank G could remove the attachment (character in the lower right of his emails) when he sends stuff to the Kolb List. My server and Matronics are having a problem living with that particular attachment. Thanks, john h Frank: Let a pro do it for you. There is probably a shop in Brownsville that specializes in marine fuel tanks. It is very difficult to weld up a good aluminum tank that will not have pin holes, even with a good welder and a TIG outfit. I also slosh seal my tanks. If there is a tiny pin hole in there somewhere, sloshing will insure that it is sealed. I tiny pin hole can drive you nuts with its constant seep/ooze and the smell of gasoline in the cockpit. In addition, I slosh seal antique tractor fuel tanks, the last was 74 years old. They will leak at their soldered seams, and nearly always have rusted through on the bottom where moisture collects. Of strict importance is to insure the slosh sealer is compatible with auto gas/alcohol and av gas. john h mkIII


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    Time: 08:37:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: flight over great salt lake
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Wow, beautiful pictures. Haven't been to the GSL since my wife and I were courting. Lots of good memories, thanks. Rick On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, b young <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote: > last weekend my wife and I went for a ride over and around the great salt > lake > > leaving the mainland and heading for Freemont island > > > flying from Freemont island to antelope island > > > the north and of antelope island > > > antelope island connected to mainland by causeway > > > flying back from antelope island to Freemont island and the mainland. > > > those getting the list in the digest mode will not see the pictures... > sorry > > do not archive > > Boyd Young > MKIII > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 08:43:48 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank
    I have attempted gas welding aluminum with unfavorable results. There are special alloy rods available that have lower melt but the joint will have poor strength. Maybe if you had good clean lapped joints you could flow it in somewhat like soldering. Try some on scrap for an entertaining experience. The aluminum will rapidly form an oxide skin from which the liquid beneath will flow out like water. -leaving a giant hole. Better go TIG and an experienced welder. I am lucky and have such a neighbor who did my aluminum intake manifold. BB dormant MkIII, suzuki On 22, Aug 2010, at 10:09 AM, frank goodnight wrote: > > Hi All, > > Any one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .050 5052h3 alum ) with gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair > welder but have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go to a comercial shop and pay the 100 bucks or so ? > Any thoughts would be helpful. > > Frank > > <--static--liam_party_bottomright.jpg>


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    Time: 08:47:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Gas welding aluminum generally goes like this, for me anyway. Scrub, scrub, scrub with stainless steel wire brush to remove oxide layer. Apply flux Heat with carbonizing flame until surface has a milky look Aluminum falls away revealing big hole that was solid just moments ago. With luck the molten aluminum did not fall on your foot. Swear prolifically, even if molten blob misses your foot, scream loudly if it hits the bullseye. Repeat until stupid with rage and heave project as far as you can throw it. Mumble and be grouchy the rest of the day. Best stay away from the wife and other civilized people until calm. The TIG welder is far cheaper in dollars and sanity. Just MHO. Rick On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:09 AM, frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote: > Hi All, > > Any one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .050 5052h3 alum > ) with gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair > welder but have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go > to a comercial shop and pay the 100 bucks or so ? > Any thoughts would be helpful. > > Frank > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 10:48:39 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank
    Frank i have never seen anyone weld alum sucessfully with a torch, usually done with a mig or tig with a square wave variable power output. takes a lot of practice to melt the alum, without droping out a big hole. the aluminum has no tel tel signs that it is about to drop on your foot. if you try a torch,,,, best to find a special alloy rod. (lower melting point. less stregnth) boyd young do not archive Hi All, Any one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .050 5052h3 alum ) with gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair welder but have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go to a comercial shop and pay the 100 bucks or so ? Any thoughts would be helpful. Frank


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    Time: 11:46:19 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank
    It _is_ possible to gas weld aluminum, but you've got to be _really_ good. There are so-called "aluminum welding rods" which are in fact brazing rods (the base metal doesn't melt), but I wouldn't trust them for a fuel tank. I went with a guy who's in the business of making fuel tanks. -Dana ------------------------------------------------- frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote: (08/22/2010 10:09) > Hi All, > > Any one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .050 5052h3 alum ) > with gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair > welder but have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go to a > comercial shop and pay the 100 bucks or so ? > Any thoughts would be helpful. > > Frank


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    Time: 11:58:09 AM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank
    Thanks to all of you that answeered my request for info. I will go with a p ro =0Awelder tig , mig or heliarc. thanks=0Aagain.=0A=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.n et>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 22, 2010 1:53:19 PM Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0A=0AIt _is_ possible to gas weld alumin um, but you've got to be _really_ =0Agood.- There are so-called "aluminum welding rods" which are in fact =0Abrazing rods (the base metal doesn't me lt), but I wouldn't trust them =0Afor a fuel tank.=0A=0AI went with a guy w ho's in the business of making fuel tanks.=0A=0A-Dana =0A------------------ -------------------------------=0Afrank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:=0A(08/22/2010 10:09)=0A=0A> Hi All, =0A> =0A> Any one out there had any sucess welding up a fuel tank ( .050 5052h3 alum ) =0A> with gas --ox acetlene?.. I am a pretty fair=0A> welder but have never tryed to gas weld alum. Would it be better to just go to =0A>a =0A>=0A> comercial shop and pa y the 100 bucks or so ?=0A> -Any thoughts would be helpful.=0A> =0A> Fran ===============


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    Time: 01:54:38 PM PST US
    From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: OT old date on msg OT
    >George- Your message came through dated Tuesday, 1/1/02 at 8:19am.- I guess you haven't turned the computer on in a while.- Mune showed up in the in box as un-read, and I found it way at the bottom.- Or, something wrong at the Matronics computer.- current info, wrong date. In the spirit of the 'utter perversity of inanimate objects', let me answer this msg. My computer is a number of years old. I have upgraded this and that till I can't upgrade any more. Like they don't seem to make PC100 high-density chips, so I can't put more memory in it. It is slow. Wife says, "Why don't you get a new computer, it will be your retirement present". So I go out and buy a netbook knowing that I will be doing a lot of traveling. Then my computer just gets worse. I moan and complain, wife says 'buy a desk top' so I buy one on sale on-line from Costco. Quad core, 6 gigs, 1 terabyte, nice. So I am taking my time setting it up and transferring stuff when <POOF!> my old computer has a stroke- smoke comes out, CMOS errors, USB errors, nasty situation. Time-of-day clock shot. USB interface (I have several) shot. Power supply doubtful. PC won't turn off, then after unplugging it, it won't turn on without loud incantations. Actually probably the CMOS. So my new computer isn't ready, and my old one is limping along with hitches and starts. Working on it now. If you open one of my msgs and it is just smoke, you know what happened. GeoB


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    Time: 02:06:36 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: OT old date on message OT
    - George- It did it again, and I'm getting messages from you way back in 2002.- You have accidentally invented a time machine!- By the way, you are not supposed to let the "magic smoke" out of electronic devices.- If you do, they won't work until you re-fill them.- Anything electric runs o n magic smoke. - do not archive ------------------------- ------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------- It's 2010 here


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    Time: 02:09:01 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: OT old date on msg OT
    Geo -- I SINCERELY hope you'd backed up your info! On Jan 1, 2002, at 3:48 AM, George Bearden wrote: > <gab16@sbcglobal.net> > >> George- Your message came through dated Tuesday, 1/1/02 at >> 8:19am.- I guess > you haven't turned the computer on in a while.- Mune showed up in > the in box > as un-read, and I found it way at the bottom.- Or, something wrong > at the > Matronics computer.- current info, wrong date. > > In the spirit of the 'utter perversity of inanimate objects', let > me answer > this msg. My computer is a number of years old. I have upgraded > this and > that till I can't upgrade any more. Like they don't seem to make PC100 > high-density chips, so I can't put more memory in it. It is slow. > Wife says, > "Why don't you get a new computer, it will be your retirement > present". So I > go out and buy a netbook knowing that I will be doing a lot of > traveling. > > Then my computer just gets worse. I moan and complain, wife says > 'buy a desk > top' so I buy one on sale on-line from Costco. Quad core, 6 gigs, 1 > terabyte, nice. So I am taking my time setting it up and > transferring stuff > when <POOF!> my old computer has a stroke- smoke comes out, CMOS > errors, USB > errors, nasty situation. Time-of-day clock shot. USB interface (I have > several) shot. Power supply doubtful. PC won't turn off, then after > unplugging it, it won't turn on without loud incantations. Actually > probably > the CMOS. > > So my new computer isn't ready, and my old one is limping along > with hitches > and starts. Working on it now. If you open one of my msgs and it is > just > smoke, you know what happened. > > GeoB > >


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    Time: 03:06:14 PM PST US
    From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Subject: test
    this is a test Frank


    Message 15


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    Time: 03:13:12 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: test
    came thru OK here On Aug 22, 2010, at 6:04 PM, frank goodnight wrote: > this is a test > > Frank > >


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    Time: 04:38:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Looking For Jim Clayton
    From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Has anyone heard form Jim Clayton or know his E-Mail address? Jim was building a Kolb MKIIIX and we haven't heard from him for a few years I tried to contact him on his last know E-Mail address but no luck. Please contact me off list if you have any info. Thanks Rick Neilsen


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    Time: 05:23:39 PM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: test
    CAME THRU HERE ALSO=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADis abled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________ ______=0AFrom: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 22, 2010 6:04:58 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: t =0A=0A=0A=0A




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