---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/07/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:00 AM - Prop blades needed for project (Richard Girard) 2. 10:26 AM - Alternative Engines (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN) 3. 10:46 AM - Re: Alternative Engines (Larry Cottrell) 4. 10:57 AM - Re: Alternative Engines (JetPilot) 5. 11:19 AM - Second Chantze (ropermike) 6. 11:40 AM - Re: Alternative Engines () 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Alternative Engines (Charlie England) 8. 02:04 PM - Trailering a Kolb (George Alexander) 9. 03:22 PM - Re: Trailering a Kolb (Mike Welch) 10. 06:59 PM - Re: GRT EIS programming info (HShack@aol.com) 11. 08:38 PM - Re: GRT EIS programming info (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop blades needed for project From: Richard Girard I'm building a folding prop for another aircraft project and I need two prop blades for it. I want to use Warp Drive or Power Fin blades for easy pitch adjustment using the WD protractor. The blades only need to be undamaged for approx. 26" from the base, so blades that have hit something or suffered erosion at the tips will work just fine. I'll be happy to pay shipping. Warp Drive is preferred since their solid structure can be reshaped, but Power Fin will work to demonstrate the concept. Thanks. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Alternative Engines From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" (Previous thread name: Corvair install) << IF a guy were inclined to go with an alternative engine (a non-Rotax OEM engine) ... >> Kolb Friends - It's always interesting to hear the chat about new "alternative" engine ideas - we've seen several candidates mentioned over the past few years. Usually, the collective wisdom of this List comes back with advice that suggests that the most reliable engines are ones that have been around for awhile, and have proven themselves in the fleet of already-flying airplanes. Good advice, for sure, but ... There is a new, start-up aircraft engine company called Viking Aircraft Engines that I am very interested in watching how its development goes. They're developing a new engine aimed at the Light Sport Aircraft market, and the engine is based on a Honda 4-cylinder engine. Has anyone seen these ads in EAA's Sport Pilot magazine? Claims are 110 hp, from an engine "about the same weight" as the venerable Rotax-912S. The guy heading up this effort is Jan Eggenfellner, who's been converting Subaru engines for Experimental aircraft for decades - he definitely comes with the right background and lots of experience. They've developed a PSRU for this new Viking engine, and it's said operate in the same RPM range as the 912. Supposed to be priced "competitively" with the 912 also. This venture could be successful where other "alternative" engines have failed, primarily because of Honda's global reputation for making excellent engines. This could also contribute to an affordable product that comes from economy of volume - Honda makes zillions of these little engines. All we need is the right guy to design and adapt a good redrive on it (and a few other details) to make it compatible for aircraft use. I hope he succeeds - it would be nice to give Rotax a bit of worthy competition! I'll be watching ... Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul Sandia Park, NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:00 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engines They've developed a PSRU for this new Viking engine, and it's said operate in the same RPM range as the 912. Supposed to be priced "competitively" with the 912 also. The thought that comes to mind is that "competitively" means close to the same. Then of course you need a "good redrive" and so on. If the price isn't substantially cheaper or the weight substantially less, what is the point? Granted the cost of a 912 is shocking, but so is a HKS compared to a 503, the lure here is the reliability and longer rebuild requirement. Perhaps someday we will have a better alternative, but it isn't today and won't be any cheaper I am thinking. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Alternative Engines From: "JetPilot" I saw this engine at Sun and Fun. I hope it succeeds as Honda engines are very reliable, technologically advanced, and run forever. The Honda engine also has fuel injection which would be a huge improvement over Rotax. The problem is here, there are HUGE stresses on the Re-drive unit of auto conversions, or any piston engine. The piston pulses being transmitted to the re-drive gears make even the largest and strongest gearboxes fail over time. Rotax solved this with their Dog system, which allows some slip on every power pulse instead of transmitting it through the gears. Rotax came up with this over 20 years ago... The Subaru auto conversion people never figure this out, and they are on re drive design number 3 I believe, and they keep having failures. Re-drives have been a major failure point on every auto conversion ever done. If the same people that made the Subaru conversion are doing the Honda conversion, I do not hold out much hope. The problem and the solution have been known for many years, and they still have not done what is needed to fix it. Rotax addressed and fixed this problem almost a quarter century ago, which is why we are all flying overpriced Rotax engines. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311705#311705 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Second Chantze From: "ropermike" I mostly lurk here just to learn but I want to share this with the list...After reading a post by John Hauck about Second Chantze going back in business, I was excited because I had been flying with an old Second Chantze canister chute that had been installed in my MkII probably in the mid 90's. (I have owned it since 2006). The canister had no date on it anywhere. I called John Dunham at 775-315-0133 and he told me they could repack the chute. I took it out of the plane and John explained how to disarm it (it was an old mortar fire system). I shipped it UPS and Second Chantze repacked it and even updated it to a rocket launched system! I got it back promptly and it looks good. (I hope I never need find out how good it works). Total costs was 850.00 plus shipping to them. I am thrilled as I was Looking at a new BRS for 3500+. Dealing with John was a great experience and I recommend anyone flying with one of these old chutes to get it repacked. I believe he told me they repacked BRS chutes also. -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311710#311710 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:48 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engines Eigenfeller is for real. I have watched the development of this engine for a while and it may well corner the 100hp experimental market over the next 5 years. It is about $10K now , alittle lower if you supply a core. Engine is based on the Honda FIT and is the same engine in there large outboard marine engines and is in now one of the standard engines in one of the road race classes. Years of Honda development for light weight, high performance, long life engine. He has canted the engine sideways, made a new oil pan, installed his gear reducer much like the Suburus and built a dual computer dual battery system to run the timing and EFI. The computer maps are his customized version for aircraft use...and no catalytic converter feedback. Much like the hundreds maybe thousands of 4 and 6 cylinder Subes he has sold. Hp is something like 110 and installed weight is claimed on the order of 30 lbs more than 912. Bob ---- "Kirby wrote: > (Previous thread name: Corvair install) > > > > << IF a guy were inclined to go with an alternative engine (a non-Rotax > OEM engine) ... >> > > > > Kolb Friends - > > > > It's always interesting to hear the chat about new "alternative" engine > ideas - we've seen several candidates mentioned over the past few years. > Usually, the collective wisdom of this List comes back with advice that > suggests that the most reliable engines are ones that have been around > for awhile, and have proven themselves in the fleet of already-flying > airplanes. Good advice, for sure, but ... > > > > There is a new, start-up aircraft engine company called Viking Aircraft > Engines that I am very interested in watching how its development goes. > They're developing a new engine aimed at the Light Sport Aircraft > market, and the engine is based on a Honda 4-cylinder engine. Has > anyone seen these ads in EAA's Sport Pilot magazine? Claims are 110 hp, > from an engine "about the same weight" as the venerable Rotax-912S. The > guy heading up this effort is Jan Eggenfellner, who's been converting > Subaru engines for Experimental aircraft for decades - he definitely > comes with the right background and lots of experience. They've > developed a PSRU for this new Viking engine, and it's said operate in > the same RPM range as the 912. Supposed to be priced "competitively" > with the 912 also. > > > > This venture could be successful where other "alternative" engines have > failed, primarily because of Honda's global reputation for making > excellent engines. This could also contribute to an affordable product > that comes from economy of volume - Honda makes zillions of these little > engines. All we need is the right guy to design and adapt a good > redrive on it (and a few other details) to make it compatible for > aircraft use. > > > > I hope he succeeds - it would be nice to give Rotax a bit of worthy > competition! I'll be watching ... > > > > Dennis Kirby > > Mark-3, 912ul > > Sandia Park, NM > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:18 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engines On 9/7/2010 12:19 PM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote: > > (Previous thread name: Corvair install) > > << IF a guy were inclined to go with an alternative engine (a > non-Rotax OEM engine) >> > > Kolb Friends > > Its always interesting to hear the chat about new alternative > engine ideas weve seen several candidates mentioned over the past > few years. Usually, the collective wisdom of this List comes back with > advice that suggests that the most reliable engines are ones that have > been around for awhile, and have proven themselves in the fleet of > already-flying airplanes. Good advice, for sure, but > > There is a new, start-up aircraft engine company called Viking > Aircraft Engines that I am very interested in watching how its > development goes. Theyre developing a new engine aimed at the Light > Sport Aircraft market, and the engine is based on a Honda 4-cylinder > engine. Has anyone seen these ads in EAAs Sport Pilot magazine? > Claims are 110 hp, from an engine about the same weight as the > venerable Rotax-912S. The guy heading up this effort is Jan > Eggenfellner, whos been converting Subaru engines for Experimental > aircraft for decades he definitely comes with the right background > and lots of experience. Theyve developed a PSRU for this new Viking > engine, and its said operate in the same RPM range as the 912. > Supposed to be priced competitively with the 912 also. > > This venture could be successful where other alternative engines > have failed, primarily because of Hondas global reputation for making > excellent engines. This could also contribute to an affordable product > that comes from economy of volume Honda makes zillions of these > little engines. All we need is the right guy to design and adapt a > good redrive on it (and a few other details) to make it compatible for > aircraft use. > > I hope he succeeds it would be nice to give Rotax a bit of worthy > competition! Ill be watching > > Dennis Kirby > > Mark-3, 912ul > > Sandia Park, NM > > do not archive > No argument on the quality/durability of Hondas (I drive one) but I'd suggest taking a closer look at Egg's record in the homebuilt market with the Subaru derivatives, particularly his turbo & supercharged models, and the various reduction drives he's sold, and his treatment of paying customers when he realizes that existing products can't be made to work. Charlie ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb From: "George Alexander" Kolb Folks: Scott (icrashrc) Thompson has provided images and text for the trailer set up that transports and protects his beautiful Kolb MK III Xtra. You can see it on the Trailering a Kolb section on the web site http://www.oh2fly.net -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311732#311732 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:50 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb George=2C Does he deliver? Tell him to park it next to my shop. Mike W > Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb > From: gtalexander@att.net > Date: Tue=2C 7 Sep 2010 14:02:55 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Kolb Folks: > > Scott (icrashrc) Thompson has provided images and text for the trailer se t up that transports and protects his beautiful Kolb MK III Xtra. > > You can see it on the Trailering a Kolb section on the web site http://ww w.oh2fly.net > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311732#311732 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:52 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GRT EIS programming info Somehow, I punched some buttons wrong on the EIS so now I have a mess. It''s on my FS II with 503DCDI. I am hoping someone has programming instructions they would email me. I would be eternally grateful. My unit is about 11 yrs. old and has the TWO plugs in the back. Instructions for the newer unit with ONE plug do not work. GRT claims they no longer support that unit and don't have the instructions [???]. My alternative is to buy a new one. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:12 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GRT EIS programming info Somehow, I punched some buttons wrong on the EIS so now I have a mess. It''s on my FS II with 503DCDI. I am hoping someone has programming instructions they would email me. I would be eternally grateful. My unit is about 11 yrs. old and has the TWO plugs in the back. Instructions for the newer unit with ONE plug do not work. GRT claims they no longer support that unit and don't have the instructions [???]. My alternative is to buy a new one. Do Not Archive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i have the complete instructions for the Model "eis-3-adv-w / 912 Dual Aux" serial 8819 sw ver 5.8 if your version or model is different,,,, you may want to let us know exactly what you have,,,, i could copy or scan the document... i am not sure how it compairs to your unit... but it does have the 2, 9 pin sub D connectors. i am not sure what you are looking at but this may help the "check Entries" message will be displayed immediately after power up if the eis determines that any user entry ( including all limits, such as rpm, and all configuration data, such as emp setting, aux sf, etc) may be lost or is incomplete. when this message is displayed, press the display key ( the key below the "next" label on the screen). the eis will force you to review all entries by taking you to the set limits and configuration set pages. carefully review and correct any entries as necessary. Note this message will be generatged if any user entry is changed, and the instrument is turned off before returning to the normal display pages. this message then serves a reminder that you were in the process of setting user entries when the instrument is last turned off. if this message appears frequently, this is most likely due to the instrument getting poor quality electrical power, this is most common if the instrument is on while engaging an electric starter, or if it is turned on before the engine is started in airplanes without batteries. the only other things that i could see while reading the manual is if there had been an incorect voltage applied to the inputs of the unit... voltages should normaly be between 0 and 5 volts. with a caution theat the input must not exceed 5.5 volts,,,,, although no damage wil laccur, the accuracy of other functions in the instrument will be severely reduced while this input exceeds 6.0 volts. hope this helps boyd young mkIII 912 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.