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1. 07:26 AM - Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K (John T. Schmidt)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neilsen)
3. 09:37 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Dana Hague)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (robert bean)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard)
6. 11:05 AM - Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch)
7. 11:20 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
9. 11:37 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Ralph B)
10. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (william sullivan)
12. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Larry Cottrell)
13. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Daniel Myers)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard)
15. 03:04 PM - Scott Thompson (Richard Girard)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10 (cspoke)
17. 05:23 PM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (cspoke)
18. 06:42 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neilsen)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (b young)
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Subject: | Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K |
Sorry to report the following, AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED OVER;
ONE PERSON ONBOARD FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 408K Make/Model: KOLB Description: EXP - KOLB TWINSTAR MARK
III
Date: 09/08/2010 Time: 2352
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: ELKHART State: IN Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED OVER; ONE PERSON ONBOARD
FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN
The above information is from the FAA
May he rest in Peace.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312024#312024
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is tha
t
they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N number
s
etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them.
Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking
for too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
hopefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is from FAA.gov
> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>
> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
n/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificatio
n%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcert
ificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%5
Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>
> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
> certificated as
>
> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<http:
//ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed4e
1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoac
cess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.t
pl>
>
> Then you must provide the following:
>
> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
n/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf
t
> manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the
> manufacturer
> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> - $5.00 registration fee
>
> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
> certificate as:
>
> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoac
cess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.t
pl>
> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74e
e4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno
=14>
>
> Then you must provide the following:
>
> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
n/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf
t
> manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the
> manufacturer
> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
> Federal Aviation Administration.
>
>
> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircr
aft
> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>
> Rick Girard
>
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
At 10:32 AM 9/10/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>Rick
>
>It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
>that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N
>numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
>pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that
>is asking for too much.
>
>Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
>would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
Don't expect too much of the FAA. I moved from NJ to Connecticut 23 years
ago (and notified the FAA) and sold my Taylorcraft 10 years go, but the FAA
listing still shows it registered to me... at the NJ address.
-Dana
--
I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of
course, I want to stay employed.
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
drawer". Those folks who
have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This
will make it tougher on restoring
antiques.
BB
On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
> Rick
>
> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding
is that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to
recover N numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in
Michigan and pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but
I suppose that is asking for too much.
>
> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA.
You would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>
> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
hopefully you are right.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is from FAA.gov
> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
> Print
> Email
> New Light-Sport Aircraft
> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to
be certificated as
> an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)
> a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
> Then you must provide the following:
> Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
(02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the manufacturer
> Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
> An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> $5.00 registration fee
> New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures
> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you
will certificate as:
> a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
> an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
> Then you must provide the following:
> Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
(02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the manufacturer
> An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
Federal Aviation Administration.
>
> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the
aircraft meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>
> Rick Girard
>
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is o
n
file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would
be minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote
:
> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
> drawer". Those folks who
> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wil
l
> make it tougher on restoring
> antiques.
> BB
>
> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N
> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and p
ay
> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
> asking for too much.
>
> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Yo
u
> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>
> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
> hopefully you are right.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote
:
>
>> This is from FAA.gov
>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>>
>> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
on/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
>> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificati
on%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcer
tificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%
5Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
>> certificated as
>>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<http
://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed4
e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14
>
>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoa
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.
tpl>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the
>> manufacturer
>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
>> certificate as:
>>
>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoa
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.
tpl>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1
)<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74
ee4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idn
o=14>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the
>> manufacturer
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
>> Federal Aviation Administration.
>>
>>
>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the airc
raft
>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> Zulu Delta
>> Kolb Mk IIIC
>> 582 Gray head
>> 4.00 C gearbox
>> 3 blade WD
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
>> - G.K. Chesterton
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums.
matronics.com
>>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
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>>
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s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
List member=2C
Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror of
the
tail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail n
umber
and was praying I was mistaken.
In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly=2C
and it
belongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking his
new
MkIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land it.
Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the K
olb
Company displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xtra
=2C N408K.
I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in peace=2C m
y friend=2C and
God watch over Carol and the rest of his family.
Truly a sad day!!!
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
Correction. I meant to say MkIII crash=2C not MkII.
Here's the best link I've manged to come up with as much
information that is available at this time.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
List member=2C
Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror of
the
tail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail n
umber
and was praying I was mistaken.
In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly=2C
and it
belongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking his
new
MkIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land it.
Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the K
olb
Company displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xtra
=2C N408K.
I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in peace=2C m
y friend=2C and
God watch over Carol and the rest of his family.
Truly a sad day!!!
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Follow up on registration information |
Rick, Rick, et al:
The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet groups,
nada.
In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through the
required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthiness
and Registrations with NO expiration dates.
Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of this
issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration in 2011,
I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another 3 years.
If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if they
fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, then
that I can understand.
What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a lemming...
if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then I'll do it
and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
Thanks in advance.....
George Alexander
Kolb FS II N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is on
file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would
be minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
drawer". Those folks who
have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This will
make it tougher on restoring
antiques.
BB
On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is that
they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N numbers
etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them.
Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking
for too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
hopefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
This is from FAA.gov
Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
* Print
<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re
gistry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
* Email
<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certification%3A%20Light%20
Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcertificates%2Faircraf
t%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%5Faircraft%2Findex%2
Ecfm&sid=true>
* | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
New Light-Sport Aircraft
If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
certificated as
* an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed4
e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
* a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title
14/14tab_02.tpl>
Then you must provide the following:
* Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer
<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re
gistry/media/8050-88a.pdf> 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56
KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer,
unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer
* Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
* An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
* $5.00 registration fee
New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures
If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
certificate as:
* a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title
14/14tab_02.tpl>
* an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74ee4ecd
3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
Then you must provide the following:
* Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer
<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re
gistry/media/8050-88a.pdf> 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56
KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer,
unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer
* An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
* $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
Federal Aviation Administration.
Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraft
meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
Rick Girard
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
bution
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
My condolences go out to Scott's family. I would like to know the details on what
might have gone wrong on landing his MKIII.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
I would like to know the details on what might have gone wrong on landing h
is MKIII.
>
> Ralph B
Ralph=2C
I'm pretty disturbed by this story=2C and not really functioning too well
. It took me three
emails to post the best information link that I could find regarding his cr
ash. The information
came from Carol=2C Scott's wife=2C who witnessed the crash=2C as she told i
nvetigators.
I post the link again=3B
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100910/News01/100919950/1130
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
- Our sincere condolences go out to the Thompson family, and friends.-
I am sure John Hauck would like to be notified- can someone please call him
?- He is on the road trip.
-
-------------------------
------------------ Bill and Tiny Sulliv
an
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------------------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff
then.
Larry
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which includes my email address.
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
This is terrible news=2C my thoughts and prayers are with the family
Regards=2C
Daniel myers
Fs2amphib
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10=2C 2010=2C at 4:34 PM=2C "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com
> wrote:
> John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff t
hen.
> Larry
> Note: If you forward this email=2C please delete the forwarding history
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
George, I'm sorry if I muddied things up for you. Your understanding of the
situation is exactly correct. As long as you renew your registration on tim
e
there are no problems.
What I wanted to make people aware of is that the consequences for failure
to renew are dire, and only E-LSA is affected thus. All other experimental
certificated aircraft have a path back if the owner fails to renew on time,
but E-LSA does not. I hope the EAA will address the issue and get the FAA t
o
make some kind of remedial measures available but at this time there is not
.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. <
gtalexander@att.net> wrote:
>
> Rick, Rick, et al:
>
> The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
> My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
>
> My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
> trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group
s,
> nada.
>
> In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through t
he
> required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
> inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
> proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines
s
> and Registrations with NO expiration dates.
>
> Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of
> this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration i
n
> 2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another
3
> years.
>
> If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the
y
> fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the
n
> that I can understand.
>
> What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a
> lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then
> I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
>
> Thanks in advance.....
>
> George Alexander
> Kolb FS II N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard
> *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
>
> Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
> paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
> new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
> re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
> that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
on
> file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou
ld
> be minor compared to E-LSA.
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>wrot
e:
>
>> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
>> drawer". Those folks who
>> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi
ll
>> make it tougher on restoring
>> antiques.
>> BB
>>
>> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
>> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover
N
>> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
pay
>> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
>> asking for too much.
>>
>> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Y
ou
>> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>>
>> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
>> hopefully you are right.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wr
ote:
>>
>>> This is from FAA.gov
>>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>>>
>>> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
>>> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificat
ion%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fce
rtificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport
%5Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
>>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>>>
>>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
>>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to b
e
>>> certificated as
>>>
>>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<htt
p://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed
4e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=1
4>
>>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
access.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
.tpl>
>>>
>>> Then you must provide the following:
>>>
>>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b
y the
>>> manufacturer
>>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
>>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>>> - $5.00 registration fee
>>>
>>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
>>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
>>> certificate as:
>>>
>>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
access.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
.tpl>
>>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR
>>> 21.191(i)(1)<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&
sid=ce33d0e1fe74ee4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0
.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
>>>
>>> Then you must provide the following:
>>>
>>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b
y the
>>> manufacturer
>>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
>>> Federal Aviation Administration.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air
craft
>>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>>
>>> Rick Girard
>>>
>>> Zulu Delta
>>> Kolb Mk IIIC
>>> 582 Gray head
>>> 4.00 C gearbox
>>> 3 blade WD
>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>
>>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
>>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
>>> - G.K. Chesterton
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums
.matronics.com
>>>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni
cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
contribution
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
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>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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This is horrible news. My condolences to his widow and family.
Rick Girard
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10 |
Bob, You are correct. I am very pleased with the engine setup on my Kolb. Thanks
for posting the pictures of my engine however I have since changed the exhaust.
I was not happy with the drag and weight of this exhaust. He new setup is
more compact and weighs 10 lbs less.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
So sorry to hear this news. Our thoughts and prayers are with Scott's family.
Craig and Kilty Spoke.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
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Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
That's right George be happy just don't be late. What we need to do is star
t
writing our congressmen. If the feds starting telling us to register every
car every three years the shit would hit the fan.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. <
gtalexander@att.net> wrote:
>
> Rick, Rick, et al:
>
> The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
> My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
>
> My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
> trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group
s,
> nada.
>
> In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through t
he
> required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
> inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
> proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines
s
> and Registrations with NO expiration dates.
>
> Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of
> this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration i
n
> 2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another
3
> years.
>
> If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the
y
> fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the
n
> that I can understand.
>
> What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a
> lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then
> I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
>
> Thanks in advance.....
>
> George Alexander
> Kolb FS II N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard
> *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
>
> Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
> paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
> new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
> re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
> that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
on
> file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou
ld
> be minor compared to E-LSA.
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>wrot
e:
>
>> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
>> drawer". Those folks who
>> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi
ll
>> make it tougher on restoring
>> antiques.
>> BB
>>
>> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
>> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover
N
>> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
pay
>> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
>> asking for too much.
>>
>> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Y
ou
>> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>>
>> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
>> hopefully you are right.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wr
ote:
>>
>>> This is from FAA.gov <http://faa.gov/>
>>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>>>
>>> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
>>> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificat
ion%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fce
rtificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport
%5Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
>>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>>>
>>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
>>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to b
e
>>> certificated as
>>>
>>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<htt
p://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed
4e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=1
4>
>>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
access.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
.tpl>
>>>
>>> Then you must provide the following:
>>>
>>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b
y the
>>> manufacturer
>>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
>>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>>> - $5.00 registration fee
>>>
>>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
>>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
>>> certificate as:
>>>
>>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
access.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
.tpl>
>>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR
>>> 21.191(i)(1)<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&
sid=ce33d0e1fe74ee4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0
.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
>>>
>>> Then you must provide the following:
>>>
>>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
ion/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b
y the
>>> manufacturer
>>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
>>> Federal Aviation Administration.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air
craft
>>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>>
>>> Rick Girard
>>>
>>> Zulu Delta
>>> Kolb Mk IIIC
>>> 582 Gray head
>>> 4.00 C gearbox
>>> 3 blade WD
>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>
>>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
>>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
>>> - G.K. Chesterton
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums
.matronics.com
>>>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni
cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
contribution
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> tp://forums.matronics.com
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>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) |
John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff
then.
Larry
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john called this morning,,, he had changed his route, he is going to
visit a friend in Idaho, and stop by here on the way home.
he has his computer and has been checking in on his email on a regular
basis.
boyd
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