---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/10/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:26 AM - Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K (John T. Schmidt) 2. 07:35 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neilsen) 3. 09:37 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Dana Hague) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (robert bean) 5. 10:44 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard) 6. 11:05 AM - Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch) 7. 11:20 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch) 8. 11:36 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 9. 11:37 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Ralph B) 10. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch) 11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (william sullivan) 12. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Larry Cottrell) 13. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Daniel Myers) 14. 02:27 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard) 15. 03:04 PM - Scott Thompson (Richard Girard) 16. 05:15 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10 (cspoke) 17. 05:23 PM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (cspoke) 18. 06:42 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neilsen) 19. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K From: "John T. Schmidt" Sorry to report the following, AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED OVER; ONE PERSON ONBOARD FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 408K Make/Model: KOLB Description: EXP - KOLB TWINSTAR MARK III Date: 09/08/2010 Time: 2352 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: ELKHART State: IN Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED OVER; ONE PERSON ONBOARD FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN The above information is from the FAA May he rest in Peace. Sincerely, John T. Schmidt, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312024#312024 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Neilsen Rick It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is tha t they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N number s etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking for too much. Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so hopefully you are right. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > This is from FAA.gov > Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration > > - Print > - Email > - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010 > > *New Light-Sport Aircraft* > If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be > certificated as > > - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) > - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 > > Then you must provide the following: > > - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A > (02/08) > (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf t > manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the > manufacturer > - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft > - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 > - $5.00 registration fee > > *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures* > If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will > certificate as: > > - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 > - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1) > > Then you must provide the following: > > - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A > (02/08) > (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf t > manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the > manufacturer > - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 > - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the > Federal Aviation Administration. > > > Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form > 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircr aft > meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). > > Rick Girard > > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:36 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information At 10:32 AM 9/10/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote: >Rick > >It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is >that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N >numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and >pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that >is asking for too much. > >Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You >would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. Don't expect too much of the FAA. I moved from NJ to Connecticut 23 years ago (and notified the FAA) and sold my Taylorcraft 10 years go, but the FAA listing still shows it registered to me... at the NJ address. -Dana -- I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of course, I want to stay employed. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:37 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a drawer". Those folks who have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This will make it tougher on restoring antiques. BB On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote: > Rick > > It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking for too much. > > Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. > > The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so hopefully you are right. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > This is from FAA.gov > Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration > Print > Email > New Light-Sport Aircraft > If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be certificated as > an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) > a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 > Then you must provide the following: > Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer > Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft > An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 > $5.00 registration fee > New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures > If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will certificate as: > a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 > an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1) > Then you must provide the following: > Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer > An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 > $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the Federal Aviation Administration. > > Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraft meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). > > Rick Girard > > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Girard Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is o n file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would be minor compared to E-LSA. Rick On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean wrote : > I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a > drawer". Those folks who > have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wil l > make it tougher on restoring > antiques. > BB > > On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote: > > Rick > > It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is > that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N > numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and p ay > them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is > asking for too much. > > Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Yo u > would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. > > The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so > hopefully you are right. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote : > >> This is from FAA.gov >> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration >> >> - Print >> - Email >> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010 >> >> *New Light-Sport Aircraft* >> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be >> certificated as >> >> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) >> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >> >> Then you must provide the following: >> >> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >> (02/08) >> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the >> manufacturer >> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft >> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >> - $5.00 registration fee >> >> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures* >> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will >> certificate as: >> >> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1 ) >> >> Then you must provide the following: >> >> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >> (02/08) >> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the >> manufacturer >> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the >> Federal Aviation Administration. >> >> >> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form >> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the airc raft >> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). >> >> Rick Girard >> >> Zulu Delta >> Kolb Mk IIIC >> 582 Gray head >> 4.00 C gearbox >> 3 blade WD >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be >> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. >> - G.K. Chesterton >> >> >> * >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums. matronics.com >> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:00 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) List member=2C Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror of the tail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail n umber and was praying I was mistaken. In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly=2C and it belongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking his new MkIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land it. Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the K olb Company displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xtra =2C N408K. I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in peace=2C m y friend=2C and God watch over Carol and the rest of his family. Truly a sad day!!! Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:31 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) Correction. I meant to say MkIII crash=2C not MkII. Here's the best link I've manged to come up with as much information that is available at this time. Mike Welch From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) List member=2C Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror of the tail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail n umber and was praying I was mistaken. In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly=2C and it belongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking his new MkIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land it. Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the K olb Company displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xtra =2C N408K. I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in peace=2C m y friend=2C and God watch over Carol and the rest of his family. Truly a sad day!!! Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:25 AM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information Rick, Rick, et al: The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get.... My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this..... My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet groups, nada. In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through the required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthiness and Registrations with NO expiration dates. Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration in 2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another 3 years. If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if they fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, then that I can understand. What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time. Thanks in advance..... George Alexander Kolb FS II N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is on file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would be minor compared to E-LSA. Rick On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean wrote: I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a drawer". Those folks who have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This will make it tougher on restoring antiques. BB On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote: Rick It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking for too much. Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so hopefully you are right. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wrote: This is from FAA.gov Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration * Print * Email * | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010 New Light-Sport Aircraft If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be certificated as * an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) * a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 Then you must provide the following: * Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer * Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft * An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 * $5.00 registration fee New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will certificate as: * a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 * an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1) Then you must provide the following: * Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer * An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 * $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the Federal Aviation Administration. Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraft meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). Rick Girard Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) From: "Ralph B" My condolences go out to Scott's family. I would like to know the details on what might have gone wrong on landing his MKIII. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312049#312049 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:28 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) I would like to know the details on what might have gone wrong on landing h is MKIII. > > Ralph B Ralph=2C I'm pretty disturbed by this story=2C and not really functioning too well . It took me three emails to post the best information link that I could find regarding his cr ash. The information came from Carol=2C Scott's wife=2C who witnessed the crash=2C as she told i nvetigators. I post the link again=3B http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100910/News01/100919950/1130 Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:07 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) - Our sincere condolences go out to the Thompson family, and friends.- I am sure John Hauck would like to be notified- can someone please call him ?- He is on the road trip. - ------------------------- ------------------ Bill and Tiny Sulliv an ------------------------- ------------------ Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:49 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff then. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) From: Daniel Myers This is terrible news=2C my thoughts and prayers are with the family Regards=2C Daniel myers Fs2amphib Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10=2C 2010=2C at 4:34 PM=2C "Larry Cottrell" wrote: > John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff t hen. > Larry > Note: If you forward this email=2C please delete the forwarding history =2C which includes my email address. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Girard George, I'm sorry if I muddied things up for you. Your understanding of the situation is exactly correct. As long as you renew your registration on tim e there are no problems. What I wanted to make people aware of is that the consequences for failure to renew are dire, and only E-LSA is affected thus. All other experimental certificated aircraft have a path back if the owner fails to renew on time, but E-LSA does not. I hope the EAA will address the issue and get the FAA t o make some kind of remedial measures available but at this time there is not .. Rick Girard On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. < gtalexander@att.net> wrote: > > Rick, Rick, et al: > > The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get.... > My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this..... > > My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the > trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group s, > nada. > > In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through t he > required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness > inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the > proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines s > and Registrations with NO expiration dates. > > Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of > this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration i n > 2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another 3 > years. > > If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the y > fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the n > that I can understand. > > What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a > lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then > I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time. > > Thanks in advance..... > > George Alexander > Kolb FS II N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information > > Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep > paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the > new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB > re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques > that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is on > file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou ld > be minor compared to E-LSA. > > Rick > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean wrot e: > >> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a >> drawer". Those folks who >> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi ll >> make it tougher on restoring >> antiques. >> BB >> >> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote: >> >> Rick >> >> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is >> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N >> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay >> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is >> asking for too much. >> >> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Y ou >> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. >> >> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so >> hopefully you are right. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wr ote: >> >>> This is from FAA.gov >>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration >>> >>> - Print >>> - Email >>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010 >>> >>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft* >>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to b e >>> certificated as >>> >>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) >>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >>> >>> Then you must provide the following: >>> >>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >>> (02/08) >>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b y the >>> manufacturer >>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft >>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >>> - $5.00 registration fee >>> >>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures* >>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will >>> certificate as: >>> >>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR >>> 21.191(i)(1) >>> >>> Then you must provide the following: >>> >>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >>> (02/08) >>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b y the >>> manufacturer >>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the >>> Federal Aviation Administration. >>> >>> >>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form >>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air craft >>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). >>> >>> Rick Girard >>> >>> Zulu Delta >>> Kolb Mk IIIC >>> 582 Gray head >>> 4.00 C gearbox >>> 3 blade WD >>> Thanks, Homer GBYM >>> >>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be >>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. >>> - G.K. Chesterton >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums .matronics.com >>> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution >> * >> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > =========== > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Scott Thompson From: Richard Girard This is horrible news. My condolences to his widow and family. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10 From: "cspoke" Bob, You are correct. I am very pleased with the engine setup on my Kolb. Thanks for posting the pictures of my engine however I have since changed the exhaust. I was not happy with the drag and weight of this exhaust. He new setup is more compact and weighs 10 lbs less. -------- Craig Spoke Mark 111 Xtra VW Redrive Lillian, AL cspoke@gulftel.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312080#312080 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_engine_2_553.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_engine_1_809.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) From: "cspoke" So sorry to hear this news. Our thoughts and prayers are with Scott's family. Craig and Kilty Spoke. -------- Craig Spoke Mark 111 Xtra VW Redrive Lillian, AL cspoke@gulftel.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312081#312081 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Neilsen That's right George be happy just don't be late. What we need to do is star t writing our congressmen. If the feds starting telling us to register every car every three years the shit would hit the fan. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. < gtalexander@att.net> wrote: > > Rick, Rick, et al: > > The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get.... > My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this..... > > My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the > trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group s, > nada. > > In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through t he > required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness > inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the > proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines s > and Registrations with NO expiration dates. > > Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of > this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration i n > 2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another 3 > years. > > If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the y > fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the n > that I can understand. > > What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a > lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then > I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time. > > Thanks in advance..... > > George Alexander > Kolb FS II N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information > > Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep > paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the > new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB > re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques > that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is on > file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou ld > be minor compared to E-LSA. > > Rick > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean wrot e: > >> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a >> drawer". Those folks who >> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi ll >> make it tougher on restoring >> antiques. >> BB >> >> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote: >> >> Rick >> >> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is >> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N >> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay >> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is >> asking for too much. >> >> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Y ou >> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see. >> >> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so >> hopefully you are right. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard wr ote: >> >>> This is from FAA.gov >>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration >>> >>> - Print >>> - Email >>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010 >>> >>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft* >>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to b e >>> certificated as >>> >>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2) >>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >>> >>> Then you must provide the following: >>> >>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >>> (02/08) >>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b y the >>> manufacturer >>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft >>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >>> - $5.00 registration fee >>> >>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures* >>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will >>> certificate as: >>> >>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190 >>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR >>> 21.191(i)(1) >>> >>> Then you must provide the following: >>> >>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A >>> (02/08) >>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport >>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry b y the >>> manufacturer >>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 >>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the >>> Federal Aviation Administration. >>> >>> >>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form >>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air craft >>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). >>> >>> Rick Girard >>> >>> Zulu Delta >>> Kolb Mk IIIC >>> 582 Gray head >>> 4.00 C gearbox >>> 3 blade WD >>> Thanks, Homer GBYM >>> >>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be >>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. >>> - G.K. Chesterton >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums .matronics.com >>> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution >> * >> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:10 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff then. Larry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> john called this morning,,, he had changed his route, he is going to visit a friend in Idaho, and stop by here on the way home. he has his computer and has been checking in on his email on a regular basis. boyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.