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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 09/10/10 |
Thank you everyone who posted condolences for Scott Thompson. I am his wif
e Carol. This is a devastating tragedy to me and I just want to let everyo
ne on here know that Scott loved that airplane and was so happy when he ha
d it up in the air. As for the FAA investigation so far they have told us
that there were no mechanical failures. Possibly a crosswind. I don't kno
w. As I was there and witnessed it, to me everything was going great until
that last instant before impact. Again thank you for being a part of Scot
t's life.
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1. 07:26 AM - Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K (John T. Schmidt)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neil
sen)
3. 09:37 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Dana Hague)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (robert bean)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Gira
rd)
6. 11:05 AM - Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch)
7. 11:20 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (George T.
lexander, Jr.)
9. 11:37 AM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Ralph B)
10. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Mike Welch
)
11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (william
ullivan)
12. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Larry Cott
rell)
13. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (Daniel Mye
rs)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Gira
rd)
15. 03:04 PM - Scott Thompson (Richard Girard)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10 (cspoke)
17. 05:23 PM - Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (cspoke)
18. 06:42 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Neil
sen)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc) (b young)
_______________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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ime: 07:26:13 AM PST US
ubject: Kolb-List: Aircraft Accident and Fatality N408K
rom: "John T. Schmidt" <adlerflug1@yahoo.com>
orry to report the following, AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED
VER;
NE PERSON ONBOARD FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 408K Make/Model: KOLB Description: EXP - KOLB TWINSTA
R
ARK
II
Date: 09/08/2010 Time: 2352
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing:
N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: ELKHART State: IN Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT LANDING; VEERED OFF RUNWAY; FLIPPED OVER; ONE PERSON ONBOARD
FATALLY INJURED; ELKHART, IN
he above information is from the FAA
ay he rest in Peace.
Sincerely,
ohn T. Schmidt, CFI
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312024#312024
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ime: 07:35:58 AM PST US
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
rom: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is th
a
hey are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N number
tc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them.
eems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking
or too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
ould think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
opefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
edrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> This is from FAA.gov
Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
- Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
- Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificatio
%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcert
ficates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%5
aircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
- | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
*New Light-Sport Aircraft*
If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
certificated as
- an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<http:
/ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed4e
b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
- a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoac
ess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.t
l>
Then you must provide the following:
- Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
(02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
(PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf
manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the
manufacturer
- Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
- An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
- $5.00 registration fee
*New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
certificate as:
- a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoac
ess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.t
l>
- an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74e
4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno
14>
Then you must provide the following:
- Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
(02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificatio
/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
(PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraf
manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by the
manufacturer
- An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
- $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
Federal Aviation Administration.
Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircr
ft
meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
Rick Girard
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________
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ime: 09:37:36 AM PST US
rom: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
At 10:32 AM 9/10/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote:
Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N
numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that
is asking for too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
Don't expect too much of the FAA. I moved from NJ to Connecticut 23 years
go (and notified the FAA) and sold my Taylorcraft 10 years go, but the FAA
isting still shows it registered to me... at the NJ address.
-Dana
--
I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of
ourse, I want to stay employed.
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________
________
ime: 09:40:37 AM PST US
rom: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
rawer". Those folks who
ave all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This
ill make it tougher on restoring
ntiques.
B
On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
> Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding
s that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to
ecover N numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in
ichigan and pay them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but
suppose that is asking for too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA.
ou would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
opefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
rote:
This is from FAA.gov
Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
Print
Email
New Light-Sport Aircraft
If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to
e certificated as
an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)
a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
Then you must provide the following:
Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
ircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
he manufacturer
Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
$5.00 registration fee
New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures
If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you
ill certificate as:
a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
Then you must provide the following:
Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
02/08) (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
ircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
he manufacturer
An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
$5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
ederal Aviation Administration.
Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the
ircraft meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
Rick Girard
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
nable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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ime: 10:44:56 AM PST US
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
rom: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
aperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
ew requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
e-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
hat have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
o
ile with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would
e minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrot
e
> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
drawer". Those folks who
have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wil
make it tougher on restoring
antiques.
BB
On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
Rick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover
N
numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
p
y
them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
asking for too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. Yo
would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
hopefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote
> This is from FAA.gov
> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>
> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
n/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificati
n%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcer
ificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%
Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>
> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
> certificated as
>
> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<http
//ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed4
1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14
> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoa
cess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.
pl>
>
> Then you must provide the following:
>
> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
n/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the
> manufacturer
> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> - $5.00 registration fee
>
> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
> certificate as:
>
> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpoa
cess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.
pl>
> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1
<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74
e4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idn
=14>
>
> Then you must provide the following:
>
> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificati
n/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry by
the
> manufacturer
> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
> Federal Aviation Administration.
>
>
> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the airc
aft
> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>
> Rick Girard
>
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
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ulu Delta
olb Mk IIIC
82 Gray head
.00 C gearbox
blade WD
hanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unab
l
o imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________
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ime: 11:05:00 AM PST US
rom: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
ubject: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
ist member=2C
Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror
of
he
ail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail
n
mber
nd was praying I was mistaken.
In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly
=2C
nd it
elongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking
his
new
kIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land
it.
Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the
K
lb
ompany displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xt
ra
2C N408K.
I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in pea
ce=2C m
friend=2C and
od watch over Carol and the rest of his family.
Truly a sad day!!!
ike Welch
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________
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ime: 11:20:31 AM PST US
rom: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
ubject: RE: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
orrection. I meant to say MkIII crash=2C not MkII.
Here's the best link I've manged to come up with as much
nformation that is available at this time.
ike Welch
rom: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com
ubject: Kolb-List: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
ist member=2C
Having read the recent post of a MkII crash=2C and reading the horror
of
he
ail number (N408K)=2C I couldn't believe my eyes. I recognized the tail
n
mber
nd was praying I was mistaken.
In sadness I was correct=2C I did recognize the tail number correctly
=2C
nd it
elongs to our friend=2C Scott Thompson. It appears that he was taking
his
new
kIII Xtra on it's maiden flight=2C and crashed upon attempting to land
it.
Some of you that went to Oshkosh may recall the beautiful Xtra that the
K
lb
ompany displayed=3B it was Scott's brand new=2C recently registered Xt
ra
2C N408K.
I=2C for one=2C will greatly miss my friend=2C Scott. Rest in pea
ce=2C m
friend=2C and
od watch over Carol and the rest of his family.
Truly a sad day!!!
ike Welch
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________
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ime: 11:36:25 AM PST US
rom: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
ubject: RE: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
ick, Rick, et al:
The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
y situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
rainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet groups,
ada.
In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through th
e
equired steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
nspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
roud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthiness
nd Registrations with NO expiration dates.
Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of th
is
ssue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration in 2011,
have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another 3 years
.
f all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if they
ail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, then
hat I can understand.
What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a lemming.
..
f that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then I'll do it
nd to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
Thanks in advance.....
George Alexander
olb FS II N709FS
ttp://www.oh2fly.net
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard
ent: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
obert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
aperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
ew requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
e-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
hat have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
on
ile with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that would
e minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
n Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote
:
suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
rawer". Those folks who
ave all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This will
ake it tougher on restoring
ntiques.
B
On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
ick
It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is th
at
hey are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover N number
s
tc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and pay them.
eems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is asking
or too much.
Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA. You
ould think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
opefully you are right.
Rick Neilsen
edrive VW Powered MKIIIC
n Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
his is from FAA.gov
ircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
Print
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_r
e
istry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
Email
http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certification%3A%20Light
%20
port%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fcertificates%2Fairc
raf
%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport%5Faircraft%2Findex%
2
cfm&sid=true>
| Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
New Light-Sport Aircraft
f you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to be
ertificated as
* an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f
72ed4
1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14
>
* a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/
Title
4/14tab_02.tpl>
Then you must provide the following:
* Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_r
e
istry/media/8050-88a.pdf> 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56
B), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer,
nless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer
* Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
* An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
* $5.00 registration fee
New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures
f you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
ertificate as:
* a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/
Title
4/14tab_02.tpl>
* an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR 21.191(i)(1)
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=ce33d0e1fe74e
e4ecd
d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14
>
Then you must provide the following:
* Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_r
e
istry/media/8050-88a.pdf> 's Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A (02/08) (PDF, 56
B), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport aircraft manufacturer,
nless previously submitted to the Registry by the manufacturer
* An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
* $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
ederal Aviation Administration.
ow you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraf
t
eets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
ick Girard
ulu Delta
olb Mk IIIC
82 Gray head
.00 C gearbox
blade WD
hanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unab
le
o imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.
com
Navigator?Kolb-List
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et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
Zulu Delta
olb Mk IIIC
82 Gray head
.00 C gearbox
blade WD
hanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unab
le
o imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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_______
ime: 11:37:21 AM PST US
ubject: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
rom: "Ralph B" <ul15@juno.com>
y condolences go out to Scott's family. I would like to know the details
on
hat
ight have gone wrong on landing his MKIII.
Ralph B
--------
alph B
riginal Firestar 447
91493 E-AB
000 hours
3 years flying it
olbra 912UL
20386
years flying it
20 hrs
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312049#312049
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_______
ime: 11:53:28 AM PST US
rom: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
ubject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
would like to know the details on what might have gone wrong on landing
h
s MKIII.
Ralph B
Ralph=2C
I'm pretty disturbed by this story=2C and not really functioning too
well
It took me three
mails to post the best information link that I could find regarding his cr
sh. The information
ame from Carol=2C Scott's wife=2C who witnessed the crash=2C as she
told i
vetigators.
I post the link again=3B
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100910/News01/100919950/1130
Mike Welch
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________
________
ime: 12:27:07 PM PST US
rom: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
ubject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
- Our sincere condolences go out to the Thompson family, and friends.-
am sure John Hauck would like to be notified- can someone please call him
- He is on the road trip.
------------------------
----------------- Bill and Tiny Sulliv
n
------------------------
----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
_______________________________ Message 12 _____________________________
_______
ime: 01:40:49 PM PST US
rom: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff
hen.
arry
ote: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
hich includes my email address.
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________
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ime: 02:27:15 PM PST US
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
rom: Daniel Myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
This is terrible news=2C my thoughts and prayers are with the family
egards=2C
aniel myers
s2amphib
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10=2C 2010=2C at 4:34 PM=2C "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcb
lue.com
wrote:
> John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff
t
en.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email=2C please delete the forwarding history
2C which includes my email address.
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________
________
ime: 02:27:50 PM PST US
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
rom: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
George, I'm sorry if I muddied things up for you. Your understanding of th
e
ituation is exactly correct. As long as you renew your registration on tim
here are no problems.
hat I wanted to make people aware of is that the consequences for failure
o renew are dire, and only E-LSA is affected thus. All other experimental
ertificated aircraft have a path back if the owner fails to renew on time,
ut E-LSA does not. I hope the EAA will address the issue and get the FAA
t
ake some kind of remedial measures available but at this time there is not
.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. <
talexander@att.net> wrote:
>
Rick, Rick, et al:
The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group
,
nada.
In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through
t
e
required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines
and Registrations with NO expiration dates.
Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of
this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration
i
2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another
3
years.
If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the
fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the
that I can understand.
What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a
lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then
I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
Thanks in advance.....
George Alexander
Kolb FS II N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
------------------------------
*From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard
*Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
*To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
on
file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou
d
be minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>wrot
:
> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
> drawer". Those folks who
> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi
l
> make it tougher on restoring
> antiques.
> BB
>
> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover
> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
ay
> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
> asking for too much.
>
> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA.
Y
u
> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>
> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
> hopefully you are right.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wr
te:
>
>> This is from FAA.gov
>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>>
>> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
>> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificat
on%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fce
tificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport
5Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to
b
>> certificated as
>>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<htt
://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed
e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=1
>
>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
tpl>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry
b
the
>> manufacturer
>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
>> certificate as:
>>
>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
tpl>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR
>> 21.191(i)(1)<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&
id=ce33d0e1fe74ee4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0
1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry
b
the
>> manufacturer
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
>> Federal Aviation Administration.
>>
>>
>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air
raft
>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> Zulu Delta
>> Kolb Mk IIIC
>> 582 Gray head
>> 4.00 C gearbox
>> 3 blade WD
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
>> - G.K. Chesterton
>>
>>
>> *
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>>
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matronics.com
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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ulu Delta
olb Mk IIIC
82 Gray head
.00 C gearbox
blade WD
hanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unab
l
o imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________
________
ime: 03:04:03 PM PST US
ubject: Kolb-List: Scott Thompson
rom: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
This is horrible news. My condolences to his widow and family.
Rick Girard
--
ulu Delta
olb Mk IIIC
82 Gray head
.00 C gearbox
blade WD
hanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unab
le
o imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________
________
ime: 05:15:13 PM PST US
ubject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 09/05/10
rom: "cspoke" <cspoke@gulftel.com>
ob, You are correct. I am very pleased with the engine setup on my Kolb.
Thanks
or posting the pictures of my engine however I have since changed the exha
ust.
was not happy with the drag and weight of this exhaust. He new setup is
ore compact and weighs 10 lbs less.
--------
raig Spoke
ark 111 Xtra
W Redrive
illian, AL
spoke@gulftel.com
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312080#312080
ttachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_engine_2_553.jpg
ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_engine_1_809.jpg
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_______
ime: 05:23:39 PM PST US
ubject: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
rom: "cspoke" <cspoke@gulftel.com>
o sorry to hear this news. Our thoughts and prayers are with Scott's famil
y.
raig and Kilty Spoke.
--------
raig Spoke
ark 111 Xtra
W Redrive
illian, AL
spoke@gulftel.com
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312081#312081
_______________________________ Message 18 _____________________________
_______
ime: 06:42:08 PM PST US
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
rom: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
That's right George be happy just don't be late. What we need to do is sta
r
riting our congressmen. If the feds starting telling us to register every
ar every three years the shit would hit the fan.
Rick Neilsen
edrive VW powered MKIIIC
n Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, George T. Alexander, Jr. <
talexander@att.net> wrote:
>
Rick, Rick, et al:
The more you guys banter this issue around, the more confused I get....
My situation (and I know of many others in the same boat) is this.....
My Kolb FS II was never registered as anything.... it was never under the
trainer exemption.... it wasn't registered with any of the alphabet group
,
nada.
In the spring of 2007, I, along with 4 others at our field went through
t
e
required steps to get an N number, registration and get our airworthiness
inspections. All was done, according to the book and we all were now the
proud owners of Experimental Light Sport Aircraft. Holding Airworthines
and Registrations with NO expiration dates.
Along comes the issue of re-registration..... my early understanding of
this issue was that in the anniversary month of my initial registration
i
2011, I have to fill out a form, send in the fee and I'm good for another
3
years.
If all this foreboding about the dire circumstances that one faces if the
fail to re-register is just.... don't be delinquent or pay the price, the
that I can understand.
What am I missing? Maybe I'm just in the slow group or call me a
lemming... if that's what I have to do to continue to enjoy my Kolb, then
I'll do it and to the best of my feeble ability do it on time.
Thanks in advance.....
George Alexander
Kolb FS II N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
------------------------------
*From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Girard
*Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 1:42 PM
*To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Follow up on registration information
Robert, it will only add a once every three year requirement to keep
paperwork only aircraft registered, too. Only E-LSA's are affected by the
new requirements in a drastic way, although having to go through the E-AB
re-inspection would be a pain if you have to pay the DAR again. Antiques
that have a type certificate are barely affected since their paperwork is
on
file with the FAA. An owner might lose his favorite N number but that wou
d
be minor compared to E-LSA.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>wrot
:
> I suspect they are also trying to reduce the number of "airplanes in a
> drawer". Those folks who
> have all the paperwork and a dataplate and create from scratch. This wi
l
> make it tougher on restoring
> antiques.
> BB
>
> On 10, Sep 2010, at 10:32 AM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> It sounds like a done deal but what a load of crap. My understanding is
> that they are trying to stay abreast of non flying airplanes to recover
> numbers etc. I reregister my plane (sort of) every year in Michigan and
ay
> them. Seems like the states and the FAA could talk but I suppose that is
> asking for too much.
>
> Also I just changed my home address for me and my plane with the FAA.
Y
u
> would think that would give me three years credit. We will see.
>
> The $5 you are reporting is much better than what I was hearing so
> hopefully you are right.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wr
te:
>
>> This is from FAA.gov <http://faa.gov/>
>> Aircraft Certification: Light Sport Aircraft Registration
>>
>> - Print<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/light_sport_aircraft/index.cfm?print=go>
>> - Email<http://www.faa.gov/email_page/?title=Aircraft%20Certificat
on%3A%20Light%20Sport%20Aircraft%20Registration&pageurl=%2Flicenses%5Fce
tificates%2Faircraft%5Fcertification%2Faircraft%5Fregistry%2Flight%5Fsport
5Faircraft%2Findex%2Ecfm&sid=true>
>> - | Updated: 1:24 pm ET August 20, 2010
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft*
>> If you purchased a newly manufactured Light-Sport aircraft that is to
b
>> certificated as
>>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.191(i)(2)<htt
://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=1b98ca158af3f72ed
e1b105cee10c2c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=1
>
>> - a special light sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
tpl>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry
b
the
>> manufacturer
>> - Evidence of ownership from the manufacturer for the aircraft
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee
>>
>> *New Light-Sport Aircraft Manufactures*
>> If you are the manufacturer of a new Light-Sport Aircraft that you will
>> certificate as:
>>
>> - a special light-sport aircraft under 14 CFR 21.190<http://ecfr.gpo
ccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02
tpl>
>> - an experimental light-sport aircraft under Title 14 CFR
>> 21.191(i)(1)<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&
id=ce33d0e1fe74ee4ecd3d4ab5c863343e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0
1.3.8.8.11.14&idno=14>
>>
>> Then you must provide the following:
>>
>> - Light-Sport Aircraft Manufacturer=91s Affidavit AC Form 8050-88A
>> (02/08)<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certificat
on/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88a.pdf>
>> (PDF, 56 KB), or its equivalent, completed by the light-sport
>> aircraft manufacturer, unless previously submitted to the Registry
b
the
>> manufacturer
>> - An Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1
>> - $5.00 registration fee by check or money order made payable to the
>> Federal Aviation Administration.
>>
>>
>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the air
raft
>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> Zulu Delta
>> Kolb Mk IIIC
>> 582 Gray head
>> 4.00 C gearbox
>> 3 blade WD
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
>> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
>> - G.K. Chesterton
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listttp://forums
matronics.com
>>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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rom: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Our buddy Scott Thompson (icrashrc)
John H should be at Boyd's soon if not today. He will catch up on stuff
hen.
arry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
john called this morning,,, he had changed his route, he is going to
isit a friend in Idaho, and stop by here on the way home.
he has his computer and has been checking in on his email on a regular
asis.
boyd
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For those that are interested, John is safely parked in front of my hanger.
He got in this evening at dusk.
Larry
Tnx for letting us know.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Need advice for brake brackets |
I have decided to replace the drum brakes on my Firestar with mountain bike mechanical
discs. I was flying with an Aerolite yesterday and it looked like his
brakes would work well for me. I need to create the bracket to hold the caliper
as well as a bracket to attach the disc to the hub. I'm looking for recommendation
as to the type of metal to use. I attached a picture so you can see
the Aerolite setup.
It looks like aluminum will work. Not sure of the thickness or alloy I would need.
What do you guys think?
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312221#312221
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/bracket1_100.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Need advice for brake brackets |
Scott, I think 1/8" 2024-T3 or 6061-T6 would be fine for the plates. If it
were me, I'd go with the 2024-T3 and alodine for corrosion protection. If
you don't want to do the alodine, the 6061-T6 will do better even though it
is a bit weaker (about 20%) than the 2024-T3.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, olendorf <olendorf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have decided to replace the drum brakes on my Firestar with mountain bike
> mechanical discs. I was flying with an Aerolite yesterday and it looked
> like his brakes would work well for me. I need to create the bracket to
> hold the caliper as well as a bracket to attach the disc to the hub. I'm
> looking for recommendation as to the type of metal to use. I attached a
> picture so you can see the Aerolite setup.
>
> It looks like aluminum will work. Not sure of the thickness or alloy I
> would need. What do you guys think?
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312221#312221
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/bracket1_100.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need advice for brake brackets |
I built my mtn bike brakes attachments pretty much as in the picture
that you sent...I used 6061 t6 .062 to mount the caliper... I used
bushing stock as spacers with through bolts to locate the disk ...Herb
At 02:46 PM 9/12/2010, you wrote:
>
>I have decided to replace the drum brakes on my Firestar with
>mountain bike mechanical discs. I was flying with an Aerolite
>yesterday and it looked like his brakes would work well for me. I
>need to create the bracket to hold the caliper as well as a bracket
>to attach the disc to the hub. I'm looking for recommendation as to
>the type of metal to use. I attached a picture so you can see the
>Aerolite setup.
>
>It looks like aluminum will work. Not sure of the thickness or alloy
>I would need. What do you guys think?
>
>--------
>Scott Olendorf
>Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
>Schenectady, NY
>http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312221#312221
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/bracket1_100.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need advice for brake brackets |
Great, I went ahead and ordered the 6061-T6 in the .125
Thanks guys.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312234#312234
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| Subject: | Re: GRT EIS Solution |
Thanks to all who responded to my request for help, but my unit failed to
work as it should. GRT will upgrade my EIS for $149, so after all the
fall fly-ins I'll send it in.
do not archive
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