---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/21/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Big Lar (Pat Ladd) 2. 03:55 AM - Re: Big Lar (Robert Laird) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: kolb stall (robert bean) 4. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: kolb stall (zeprep251@aol.com) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: kolb stall (racerjerry) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: kolb stall (John Hauck) 7. 08:15 AM - Big lar (Pat Ladd) 8. 10:06 AM - Aileron flutter (Richard Girard) 9. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: kolb stall (b young) 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Big lar (Fredrick Kerfoot) 11. 05:16 PM - Re: Big lar (russ kinne) 12. 08:42 PM - 3 transponder wires (Richard Pike) 13. 09:56 PM - Re: 3 transponder wires (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:28 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: Big Lar Hi, Does anyone know what has happened to Big Lar these days? I last met him in Santa Fe a couple of weeks after the Annual Disorganised Fly In a few years ago when he took Wendy and I around the local beauty spots. I know he was on the road with his big truck and the last I heard he had joined up with some quad bike gang and was getting himself into all sorts of unlikely and almost inaccessible places. Taking superb photo`s of eveything in sight. Pat Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Big Lar From: Robert Laird He's still around and kickin'... Lives in Silver City, NM, now. Still does this quad adventures. -- Robert On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know what has happened to Big Lar these days? > > I last met him in Santa Fe a couple of weeks after the Annual Disorganised > Fly In a few years ago when he took Wendy and I around the local beauty > spots. > > I know he was on the road with his big truck and the last I heard he had > joined up with some quad bike gang and was getting himself into all sorts of > unlikely and almost inaccessible places. Taking superb photo`s of eveything > in sight. > > Pat > Pat > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall From: robert bean I put off installing them too, until one day I encountered heavy turbulence which will give you radically variable airspeeds. 40 one second, 80 the next. I definitely had flutter, enough to loosen a hinge pin pretty good. Those balancers went on right after. BB On 21, Sep 2010, at 1:01 AM, gtaylor wrote: > > I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time I did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thing was letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the patch I watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems. > Thanks, Greg > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall > > >> >> >> sure enough on my first >>> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he experienced it, and it came right out of it. >>> Thanks, Greg >> >> >> Greg/Gang: >> >> Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutter after you discovered it would flutter? >> >> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you will probably get into it again without them. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Rock House, OR >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall From: zeprep251@aol.com Greg/list. You should take the flutter seriously.It can destroy structure quickly and take you with it.Fix it now.Just one comment on first flights, in a new airplane or even one that's just new to you.It's like a test drive in a car.Take some time with it. If it feels stable and controllable stay in it for an hour.Get the feel of it at different speeds,the low end for sur e.If your not comfortable stalling,don't,but you have to know what it feel s like slow,and you can do that away from the ground, safely. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: gtaylor Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 1:01 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time I did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thin g was letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the patch I watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems. Thanks, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall > > > sure enough on my first >> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my >> airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he >> experienced it, and it came right out of it. >> Thanks, Greg > > > Greg/Gang: > > Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutte r > after you discovered it would flutter? > > If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you > will probably get into it again without them. > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, OR > > > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:16 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall From: "racerjerry" PLEASE install those aileron counter-balance weights NOW, before further flight. I will consider it a personal favor to me. Flutter can happen in the blink of an eye and in another blink can tear the ailerons off the airplane. It takes a trigger to start flutter. If the trigger occurs at higher airspeed, next time you may not have warning nor time to slow down before the ailerons depart. AOPA has a great video and story on the subject here: http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pilotstories/mayday/MaydayatMountMcKinley/ -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313204#313204 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall >> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you >> will probably get into it again without them. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Rock House, OR Greg T/Gang: Reread my the note above. It has been proven true many times. john h ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:43 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: Big lar Thanks for the info on Lar everyone. i will follow up as soon as my confuser stops sulking and allows me to follow up links. It suddenly decided in the middle of the morning that it didn`t want to `do` links any more. I have tried everything including switching off and on again (which cures 99% of all known computer ills) to no avail. Heigh Ho Pat ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron flutter From: Richard Girard Greg, Let me add my voice to those advising you to get the aileron counterbalance kit from Kolb and install it before doing any further flying. I, too, am the voice of experience on the subject. I encountered it on my first flight in my Kolb Mk IIIC as a lazy wagging of the ailerons at low cruise speed. It seemed controlable with the stick and I let it go. Two days later I did a higher speed pass down the runway for a video and the lazy wagging became a violent buzz. I pulled up, landed, and called Travis. Once the counter weights were on I verified that the aircraft can be flown up to redline airspeed without the onset of flutter. DO NOT put this off. Ground your airplane, get the counter weights and install before further flight. PLEASE. It really is a matter of life and death. While you are at it, check all hinges, rod end bearings, bell cranks, holes and bolts in the aileron control circuit. If it happened to you, it most likely happened to the previous owner, too. If any of these parts show slack, wear, or movement in ways that are not intended repair / replace as required. Parts are cheap, funerals aren't. Looking forward to years of Kolb flying stories from you. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:39 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time I did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thing was letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the patch I watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems. Thanks, Greg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is all good till you end up going somewhere and get in some weather / wind conditions that take you by supprise..... a few years back i had just come over a set of mountains,,,, got cought up in some type of rotor, the asi jumped from 40 to 90 mph back and forth in about 1/4 to 1/2 second intervals, that would not be a good time to be wishing you had counter balances. boyd young mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:42 PM PST US From: Fredrick Kerfoot Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Big lar Pat=2C Big Lar's home page----- http://biglar.homestead.com/larry.html fredK ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Big lar Pat Have you tried UNPLUGGING everything for a couple minutes, not just shutting things off? Sometimes this worx Russ On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > Thanks for the info on Lar everyone. i will follow up as soon as > my confuser stops sulking and allows me to follow up links. It > suddenly decided in the middle of the morning that it didn`t want > to `do` links any more. > I have tried everything including switching off and on again (which > cures 99% of all known computer ills) to no avail. > > Heigh Ho > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 3 transponder wires From: "Richard Pike" Finishing up the wiring, hooking up the transponder, and I have to confess that whoever took the transponder out of the wreck (probably me) failed to note down enough information about how to hook it back up. Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no problem. Another 16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once again no problem. But there is one wire left over, it is about 20 gauge, and I have no idea if it goes to hot or ground. Probably hot, but... The transponder is an RT359A 300, probably out of a Cessna. Will go around to the local avionics shops tomorrow and ask dumb questions unless someone on here already has an answer. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313323#313323 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 3 transponder wires From: Richard Girard Richard, Don't you have to have an input from the sensitive altimeter (the sealed box type, not the Kohlsman type)? Rick Girard On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Finishing up the wiring, hooking up the transponder, and I have to confess > that whoever took the transponder out of the wreck (probably me) failed to > note down enough information about how to hook it back up. > Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no problem. > Another 16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once again no problem. > But there is one wire left over, it is about 20 gauge, and I have no idea if > it goes to hot or ground. Probably hot, but... > The transponder is an RT359A 300, probably out of a Cessna. > > Will go around to the local avionics shops tomorrow and ask dumb questions > unless someone on here already has an answer. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313323#313323 > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. 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