Kolb-List Digest Archive

Mon 09/27/10


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:38 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/26/10 (David Watkins)
     2. 03:17 AM - tail wag (Ted Cowan)
     3. 03:40 AM - Re: Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Gene & Tammy)
     4. 05:21 AM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Thom Riddle)
     5. 05:41 AM - Aileron flutter and Tail-wag (Charles Davis)
     6. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard)
     7. 11:09 AM - Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag (JetPilot)
     8. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag (Pat Ladd)
     9. 12:32 PM - Re: Busted crank? (Richard Pike)
    10. 03:24 PM - Fuel pump (Jmmy Hankinson)
    11. 03:44 PM - Tail Wag (JG)
    12. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag (John Hauck)
    13. 05:22 PM - FW: Fuel pump (Jmmy Hankinson)
    14. 06:40 PM - Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag (Jimmy Young)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:38:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/26/10
    From: David Watkins <david.watkins0@gmail.com>
    Hi, Malcolm, I'm thinking about getting a spot gps communicator. There are some poor reviews out there, c/o difficult to use web site, manual, and customer svc. What's your experience? Dave Sent from a little tiny handheld device. On Sep 27, 2010, at 2:57 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-09-26&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-09-26&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 09/26/10: 7 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:25 AM - Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this behavior...? (Edward Bonsell) > 2. 03:13 PM - Fun Flight (gliderx5@comcast.net) > 3. 06:36 PM - Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard) > 4. 06:58 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Pike) > 5. 08:30 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (John Hauck) > 6. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard) > 7. 10:45 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:25:23 AM PST US > From: Edward Bonsell <ebonsell@earthlink.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this > behavior...? > > > Hi All, > > My original Firestar is still in the basement unfortunately but from > 1987 to 2000 I never had an aileron flutter or tail wag that I know > of. I'm sure I have had it over 80 mph a time or two. I must say > though my ailerons are turned down a turn or two at the rod bearings > and my rudder is not in the standard configuration. The top is flat > and the length is slightly longer. > > Ed Bonsell > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:13:16 PM PST US > From: gliderx5@comcast.net > Subject: Kolb-List: Fun Flight > > I had a nice flight in the MKII today and visited 4 airports that I had not previously > been to. I left Ridge Soaring (79N), went to Blue Knob (7G4), then Ebensburg > (9G8), then Indiana County (IDI), and Punxsatawney (N35) before returning > to Ridge Soaring. I had almost 4 gallons of fuel left when I was done, started > with 15. The only problem that I had was trying to leave the airports because > everyone wanted to talk about the Kolb. There is an early MKII with a 503 > at Punxy that needs wings (damaged). Owner said he will sell cheap, but I didn't > get a price. Below is a link to my Spot page that shows the trip. Next weekend > is our fly-in, camp-in weekend at Centre Airpark (N16). Come join us! > > http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0YjozN35Br59mkzpy8oWkRXvejYELAtAp > > Malcolm Morrison > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:36:55 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> > > I fly to enough fly ins to make having a radio a nice convenience, so over > the summer I've been putting together an inexpensive system for Zulu Delta. > I looked at all the handhelds available and the cost of accessories. I > looked at Sporty's JP 200, the Icom A6 and the Vertex 220. At $170 the > Vertex won hands down. That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom > charges $80) was icing on the cake. > At first I tried using the VOX feature of the radio but the lowest > sensitivity setting wasn't enough to resist the noise put out by the 582. I > found a generic push to talk switch at Mypilot.com for less than $15. > I looked around for antenna ideas and found a chassis fitting (pn 278-201, > $3.69) at Radio Shack that looked like it had possibilities. I also bought > an adapter to use a BNC cable (pn 278-121, $4.99) and a 6' BNC cable (pn > 278-964, $7.49) The chassis fitting was meant to put an antenna cable > fitting on the back of radio but I turned it around and soldered a piece of > 1/16" brazing rod into the wire socket. It probably wouldn't hold up for > long by itself so I turned an aluminum cover and a teflon insulator to give > the rod some extra support (see photo). The antenna needed a ground plane > but there was no room for one where I wanted to mount the antenna so I used > the aluminum frame for my nose hatch. Not perfect but it works just fine. > The last thing I did was trim the brazing rod at 22" for the middle of the > aviation band (+/-). > And speaking of working. My first flight with the radio installed I picked > up the ATIS at Mid Continent at 300' from Cherokee Strip (26 miles). At > 1000' I called the tower for a radio check. The controller reported a little > noise otherwise I was clear. This last Friday night I tuned the radio to > 122.8 for another check. At 1000' I could pick up aircraft in the pattern at > McPherson 75 miles away. I listened to them while turning my aircraft to > check reception from all aspects and could not hear any degradation even > when the signal was coming from the rear. > So for less than $300, including headphones, I have radio communications in > my Kolb. > > Rick Girard > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable > to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:58:52 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Inexpensive radio installation > From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> > > > Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:30:50 PM PST US > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation > > That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was > icing on the cake. > > Rick Girard > > > Rick G/Gang: > > For info only. > > Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge. > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:10:55 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Inexpensive radio installation > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> > > No, I just run with it strapped to my left leg. > > Rick > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > >> >> Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin? >> >> Richard Pike >> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830 >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable > to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:45:36 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> > > For an average of $100 more for the A-6 I would hope so. The comparable Icom > is the A-14 and it doesn't include a headset adapter and still on average > $20 more. > > Rick > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > >> That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was >> icing on the cake. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> >> Rick G/Gang: >> >> For info only. >> >> Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge. >> john h >> mkIII >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable > to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:17:56 AM PST US
    From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: tail wag
    Havent said much on the list of late. Been lurking. Firstly; my sling shot w/912ul does not have any tail wag at all. I can and do just sit back with my feet off or slightly on the peddles. When the wind hits me wrong, I can feel the rudder react but not wag. I dont use my rudder much in the air. Secondly; I installed the double X-hinge system to the rudder when I built it. Tricky but glad I did. In case anyone remembers, I have a roll dynamic noise in my engine. I have been able to get about half of it out or quiet it down by half, whatever. It cost me another five hundred for a muffler and I designed an after-muffler which helps. It is now acceptable to me. I can fly my little bird hands off for quite a while before I get the P factor from the blade and it will turn slightly to the right. Easily controlled with a slight touch of the rudder. I do thank everyone for their ideas on my engine roll but nothing worked short of spending a lot of money. It is internal in the engine, probably timing or the crank being off a hair or whatever but the harmonics are there and it is not the only one. No one has a cure or more correctly, anyone with the knowledge and ability to do something about it really cares. Only company who offered to help was Lockwood Aviation way down in Florida and I would either have to take the engine off and send it to them or take the plane there and have them test and take the engine off. Either way, lots of money and no guarantee. Some times we get caught in a big black hole and we just have to keep taking care of ourselves. Sorry for the length. Take care and keep flying. Ted Cowan, SlingShot, 912ul, zoom zoom.


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    Time: 03:40:06 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Inexpensive radio installation
    Rick, What do you use to strap it to your leg with? Gene Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 05:21:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Inexpensive radio installation
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Rick, I'm glad you got a good radio system built for your Kolb. It makes a huge difference in situational awareness in and around populated areas. Nobody cares what brand radios we have. If it works well then it is a good radio. I bought an SP-200 many years ago and its reception was good and the nav feature was a but saver for me on one occasion but I did not know it did not have a side-band when I bought it. Since then the transmit side has quit working but it still receives well. But the lack of side-band was enough to make me wish I had bought something else. Last year I purchased an iCom A-6 for $239 from MarvGolden.com and that included the headset adapter and 12-v power plug. Right out of the box it sounds nearly as good in my Slingshot as the iCom A-200 did in the much quieter Allegro. Connected to the Kolb antenna makes no difference in the sound quality but increases the range a good bit, I pick up pilot chatter from airports I've never heard of, which means they are quite some distance from my local area. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313854#313854


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    Time: 05:41:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
    From: Charles Davis <ceddavis@gmail.com>
    Been offline for a few days, but my Firefly does not exhibit "tail wagging", In fact, I have flown it "sans-feet" for 20 minutes at a time, just to change leg position on a cross country. Only needed to put the feet back on the pedals to change position again...the plane is quite happy with out them. Chuck Davis Firelfy N7057K Smoketown, PA Time: 01:37:44 PM PST US From: "Beauford " <beauford173@verizon.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag Brother Pike: The Kolb rudder oscillation- tail wag phenomenon has been mentioned on the list several times in the past... True to form, take my tootsies off the pedals for five seconds or so, and the Kleenex Machine will invariably launch into an increasing amplitude snake dance. Since Beauford is not into self abuse (beyond matrimony) and I have a strong recollection of how few lil' ol pop-rivets are holding the arse end of the thing in association with the front end, I never let it go more than three or four seconds before putting the feet back on the pedals to stop it before it gets really wild. In my aerodynamic ignorance, have always assumed this to be some combination of rudder mass balance issue and interaction with the propwash vortex. Since it is easily arrested and Kolbs have no history of shedding tails or boom failure, have never been overly concerned about it...but am curious as to whether any of the learned brethren on the List know exactly why this happens to Kolbs and what practical fix might solve it without a redesign of the vertical tail surfaces... Anybody? Or from another angle... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this behavior...? Curious Beauford FF-076, N173BW Brandon, FL Then there was the matter of the rudder flutter, take your feet off the rudder pedals and they would start to shuffle and the tail would start to wig-wag.. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


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    Time: 09:53:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Inexpensive radio installation
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    I have some velcro straps that have been around for years. Nothing fancy, just just hook the belt clip and snug up the velcro. I'll do something more elaborate when I get some more experience with it. Rick On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net > wrote: > Rick, What do you use to strap it to your leg with? > Gene > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830 > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 11:09:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    My Kolb MK-III Xtra does not have any type of rudder flutter, or tendency to tail wag. When my wife is flying, she keeps her feet on the floor most of the time, my Kolb cruises along happily for an hour without anyone ever touching the rudder pedals. Even in turbulence my wife uses the ailerons only, she never touches the rudder on a cross country because there is no need to. I have a counterweight on my rudder,, just like the ailerons have. Kolb also put an extra bell crank on the rudder cables of the MK III Xtra, which keeps the rudder cables tensioned just like the elevator. Ever wondered why the elevator never flutters on a Kolb and the rudder does ??? Its those tensioned cables on the elevator that adds mass and resistance to quick movement and flutter. If you do not believe this, just loosen your elevator cables so that they jsut hang there loose, and go fly and see how long it takes for that elevator to flutter ;) Joking aside, NEVER try this, because you probably would not live long enough to get on the ground and report your findings !!! So the easiest and best solution would seem to be a counterweight on the rudder, just like your ailerons have. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313887#313887


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    Time: 12:01:18 PM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
    My Kolb MK-III Xtra does not have any type of rudder flutter, or tendency to tail wag. >> Neither does mine. I have the counterweights fitted AS PER THE PLANS. They are ON THE PLANS FOR A PURPOSE. Why do builders try to second guess Homer who quite obviously knew what he was doing? If he specified counterweights then for crying out loud Fit counterweights. On another point. Not using the rudder.Although I agree that you can fly happily in a straight line without the rudder, changing course or using the ailerons necessitates using rudder properly. I learned to fly in gliders where it is important always to present the minimum frontal area to the airflow because drag represents loss of height so I never move the stick with automatically applying some rudder. But beyong that. Applying bank WITHOUT rudder just makes it very, very hard to get your wing down. With rudder its a doddle. Try appling bank and then reversing it without rudder. It takes forever and needs muscles like Popeye. With rudder she slips around easily, as she was designed to do. Use the rudder.Its there for a reason. Why fight it.? There are no points for not flying properly. Pat


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    Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Busted crank?
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Curioser and curioser... Pulled the engine off the airplane this morning and found some interesting things. In the bottom of the case below the magneto was a little gloop of old black nasty oil, but no clean oil such as has been accumulating below the engine. Pressure tested the engine and it came up tight as a drum. Checked the crank for variation between the front and back cylinders and both of them were at TDC when they were supposed to be. So the good news is, the engine has nothing (apparently) wrong with the crank. Everything is just about all back together, guess I'll top everything up with oil and wait to see what happens next... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313896#313896


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    Time: 03:24:17 PM PST US
    From: "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin@planters.net>
    Subject: Fuel pump
    I am replacing the fuel pump on my Firefly, The new pump looks different from the old, has 2 bent tubes. At the bottom fitting where the pulse ling goes there is a very small hole in the center, is this the vent? Does this go down? Those using this pump do you cap off one line or create a "Y" and user both chambers of the pump. What is the most popular fittings, hose screw clamps or safety wire? Thanks for a reply. Do not archive Jimmy Hankinson Rocky Ford, Ga. 912 863 7384 N6007L, Firefly JYL Sylvania, Ga.


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    Time: 03:44:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Tail Wag
    From: JG <stolspeed@gmail.com>
    I haven't flown a Kolb yet, but aspire to own one, thus am starting to follow this list. This mention of tail wag is most interesting. We've had some experience with tail wag in a Australian design known as the Boorabee. It's also a pusher configuration like the Kolb, with a complete fibreglass enclosure. The enclosure is a smooth aerodynamic shape. Flight characteristics are excellent, except for a tendency to want to fly with a yaw bias, in either direction. To explain - It will be stable with a yaw bias of several degrees to one side, then if corrected with rudder will be stable with an equal yaw in the other direction. It doesn't wag between to two sides, but is stable at either side. This was completely corrected by installing vortex generators to sides of the fuselage. It seems that the cause of the problem was the sides of the fuselage where they taper in at the back. For example, once the aircraft yawed a bit to the right, the airflow on the rear right side tended to stall, while the left side was acting like an airfoil and causing a lateral 'lift' force in that direction, and thus sustaining the yaw. As soon as the rudder was used to over-center the aircraft, the effects reversed and it then stable in the other direction. The VGs stabilized the airflow, and the aircraft now flies straight with no rudder input. I wonder if it's a version of this effect that's effecting the Kolbs that experience tail wag?? I note that the Kolbs have a lot longer tail moment arm than the Boorabee. Could it be that the longer tail over-rides the yaw effect caused by the enclosure, causing it to over-center, and then wag back and forth?? It sounds like a marginal situation, which may account for the reason that some Kolbs feel it and some don't. There's lots of mysteries and surprises in aerodynamics, and only real life flight experience tells the real story. The VGs that they used on the Boorabee are home-made of bent aluminum, about 25mm (1") high. As I remember, they had about five double ones down each side of the fuselage, just behind the widest point. I'm not sure that the micro VGs about 12mm high would be high enough to reach outside the boundary layer at that point, but maybe.... I manufacture micro VGs, www.stolspeed.com , and am offering them free to anyone with a Kolb wanting to test if they can help reduce the tail wag effect. It's certainly worth a try...... JG www.stolspeed.com


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    Time: 04:25:20 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
    > So the easiest and best solution would seem to be a counterweight on the rudder, just like your ailerons have. > > Mike Mike B/Gang: I don't think your solution is the easiest or the best. Took me a couple minutes to add two additional rudder pedal springs that fixed my problem. john h mkIII Rock House, OR


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    Time: 05:22:15 PM PST US
    From: "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin@planters.net>
    Subject: FW: Fuel pump
    I am replacing the fuel pump on my Firefly, The new pump looks different from the old, has 2 bent tubes. At the bottom fitting where the pulse ling goes there is a very small hole in the center, is this the vent? Does this go down? Those using this pump do you cap off one line or create a "Y" and user both chambers of the pump. What is the most popular fittings, hose screw clamps or safety wire? Thanks for a reply. Do not archive Jimmy Hankinson Rocky Ford, Ga. 912 863 7384 N6007L, Firefly JYL Sylvania, Ga.


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    Time: 06:40:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
    From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100@comcast.net>
    My FS II has no tail wag issues. I flew over 3 hrs yesterday, mid-day, with lots of thermals & gusty conditions. Looked back at the tail numerous times and it just sits there doing it's job, no wagging around. I dropped in to visit with Robert Laird and we discussed the issue, he said his MK III has no tail wag going on either. I do have very tight tailwires, and have seen some Kolbs with wires that are fairly loose. Maybe that could be a contributing cause. -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313946#313946




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