---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/29/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Thom Riddle) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: 912 Ignition Question (Richard Neilsen) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: 912 Ignition Question (william sullivan) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: 912 Ignition Question (Mike Welch) 5. 07:11 AM - Re: 912 Ignition Question (Roger Lee) 6. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: 912 Ignition Question (Richard Neilsen) 7. 07:54 AM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs) 8. 08:25 AM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Thom Riddle) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (robert bean) 10. 08:42 AM - Re: new owner of an older Kolb X kit (william sullivan) 11. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: 912 Ignition Question (Dana Hague) 12. 11:11 AM - Re: 912 ignition question (william sullivan) 13. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: 912 ignition question (robert bean) 14. 01:34 PM - Re: Big Lar (planecrazzzy) 15. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Big Lar (Robert Laird) 16. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: 912 Ignition Question (b young) 17. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Big Lar (b young) 18. 02:32 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Pike) 19. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (zeprep251@aol.com) 20. 03:43 PM - Survey flight (Larry Cottrell) 21. 04:05 PM - Re: Survey flight (b young) 22. 04:31 PM - Video of flying the Mississippi (Thumper) 23. 05:04 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (russ kinne) 24. 05:32 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (robert bean) 25. 05:53 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (russ kinne) 26. 08:17 PM - Re: Survey flight (Richard Pike) 27. 08:39 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Richard Pike) 28. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Survey flight (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: "Thom Riddle" AJ, Can you be a little more specific about your location, like nearest town name or airport from which you will fly your Xtra when it is ready. Sort of hard to find you in eastern PA north of Pittsburgh :-). -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314077#314077 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question From: Richard Neilsen Roger/All I have been struggling with electrical connections on my electric golf cart this summer. I got the not so bright idea that I would clean all the terminals and coat them all with dielectric grease. Big mistake the cart was dead. I would not even take a charge. I did some research and found the dielectric grease is a insulator (apparently a very good one) and the only solvent that would clean it is MEK. I then checked with the golf cart customer support and they recommended petroleum jelly. I cleaned a bunch, MEKed a BUNCH, and coated with petroleum jelly and all is well again. The morel of the story is don't use dielectric grease on anything that you want to conduct electricity. A small dab is fine on spark plug boots but little else in our airplanes. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Roger Lee wrote: > > For those that live in damper climates close to the water I would be using > either a dielectric grease on all my electrical connections or something > like Corrosion-X. Something to keep out the moisture. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Repair Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314063#314063 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:32 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question - After spending almost 40 years in the trucking business, I can confirm that petroleum jelly is the best way to protect a connection.- Works grea t on battery terminals.- Clean and tighten, then thoroughly coat with the jelly.- Works better than any commercial coating or spray, and a lot che aper.- Battery acid won't go through it.-The di-electric grease should only be used as a sealant after a clean, tight connection is made.- The s tuff is used in a lot of light connections, but a loose connector won't scr atch it's way to a good contact.- I always coat after the connection. - ------------------------- ------------------------- - Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- - Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- - FS 447 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:39 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question >The morel of the story is don't use dielectric grease on anything that you want to conduct electricity. >Rick Neilsen Roger=2C Rick=2C et al=2C As Rick said=2C a dielectric grease is by definition an insulator. See t he following from Wikipedia=3B A dielectric is an electrical insulator that may be polarized by an applied electric field. When a dielectric is placed in an electric field=2C electr ic charges do not flow through the material=2C as in a conductor=2C but onl y slightly shift from their average equilibrium positions causing dielectri c polarization. Because of dielectric polarization=2C positive charges are displaced toward the field and negative charges shift in the opposite direc tion. This creates an internal electric field that partly compensates the e xternal field inside the dielectric.[1] If a dielectric is composed of weak ly bonded molecules=2C those molecules not only become polarized=2C but als o reorient so that their symmetry axis aligns to the field.[2] For proper elecrical connection protection=2C all autoparts stores carry stuff that is made for exactly that purpose. I have the spray stuff that is purple=2C or dark blue. It also comes in a tube. Good stuff=2C too!!! Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question From: "Roger Lee" How to apply: Die electric grease should be used as a moisture block not an electrical enhancer. Dielectric grease is a nonconductive grease. Because it is nonconductive it does not enhance the flow electrical current. Electrical conductors should not be coated with dielectric grease prior to being mated. However, dielectric grease is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly ones which contain rubber gaskets, as a way to provide a nonconductive lubricant and sealer for the rubber portions of the connector. The widest use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections associated with spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the plug wire. This helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of the plug. The grease also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same time preventing the rubber from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally spark plugs are in located in areas of high temperature, and the grease is formulated to withstand the temperature range expected. Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or gaskets of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine engines. The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the nonconductive mating surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be applied to the actual electrical conductive contacts of the connector. The grease to to help keep the moisture out and not let it into sensitive areas. The electrical contacts have to be clean and that is where most people get into a bind. The moisture in the air causes the corrosion. At that point all the grounds and or affected connections should come apart and be cleaned. After the connections are re-joined then the grease is applied more to the outside of the connection joints to prevent re-introduction of moisture. If you apply the grease on the connections themselves that will actually reduce the current flow of electricity. The Corrosion-X can be applied directly to directly any electric connection. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314100#314100 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question From: Richard Neilsen Roger That is all great information. I wish I had know that before I put it on my golf cart. But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might end up insulating a connection? As I stated before petroleum jelly keeps out moisture, is cheep and doesn't create any risk. Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Roger Lee wrote: > > How to apply: > Die electric grease should be used as a moisture block not an electrical > enhancer. > > > Dielectric grease is a nonconductive grease. Because it is nonconductive > it does not enhance the flow electrical current. Electrical conductors > should not be coated with dielectric grease prior to being mated. However, > dielectric grease is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly > ones which contain rubber gaskets, as a way to provide a nonconductive > lubricant and sealer for the rubber portions of the connector. > > The widest use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections > associated with spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the > plug wire. This helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of > the plug. The grease also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same > time preventing the rubber from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally > spark plugs are in located in areas of high temperature, and the grease is > formulated to withstand the temperature range expected. > > Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or > gaskets of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine > engines. The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the > nonconductive mating surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be > applied to the actual electrical conductive contacts of the connector. > > The grease to to help keep the moisture out and not let it into sensitive > areas. The electrical contacts have to be clean and that is where most > people get into a bind. The moisture in the air causes the corrosion. At > that point all the grounds and or affected connections should come apart and > be cleaned. After the connections are re-joined then the grease is applied > more to the outside of the connection joints to prevent re-introduction of > moisture. If you apply the grease on the connections themselves that will > actually reduce the current flow of electricity. > > The Corrosion-X can be applied directly to directly any electric > connection. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Repair Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314100#314100 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: "awcbs" I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa but that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads. been from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake. I live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north of pittsburgh. my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up his to the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralight out of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the area, thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314103#314103 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: "Thom Riddle" AJ, Thanks for refining your location. No reason to apologize, we just kid each other to keep us all on our toes. Welcome to the large Kolb flyers and builders family. I am only about two hours driving north of you which is about one hour Slingshot flying. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314105#314105 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: robert bean That's good, be humble or us good ole boys might shun ye. BB (an enthusiast of western PA where I did a lot of tent camping. You're not really camping in those fancy-scmantzy mobile living rooms) On 29, Sep 2010, at 10:52 AM, awcbs wrote: > > I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa but that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads. been from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake. I live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north of pittsburgh. my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up his to the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralight out of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the area, thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314103#314103 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:12 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older Kolb X kit - You will get used to the guys kidding around.- They just don't want y ou to get lost before you leave the ground. - Any questions you have about assembly, tricks, or legal requirements (b uilder's log, photos, etc.) just post to the List and somebody will have an answer.- Good people here. - Good luck, and have fun.- Let us know on progress. - ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------------- Winds or Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------------- FS 44 7 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:28 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question At 10:41 AM 9/29/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote: >Roger > >That is all great information. I wish I had know that before I put it on >my golf cart. > >But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might >end up insulating a connection? As I stated before petroleum jelly keeps >out moisture, is cheep and doesn't create any risk. Petroleum jelly, like any petroleum product, can attack rubber parts, like the boot around the connector (depending on the rubber compound). The silicone dielectric compound is presumably formulated to avoid this. -Dana -- The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:59 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 ignition question - Dana- Good point.--I have never used it on rubber, just bare metal or plastic connectors. - ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------ Wi ndsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- FS 447 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:29 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 ignition question I usually don' bother on aircraft connections but on domestic power connections I learned the hard way to apply a commercial "ointment" to circuit breaker split knife type connectors. Almost had a serious fire with dry connections. BB On 29, Sep 2010, at 1:54 PM, william sullivan wrote: > Dana- Good point. I have never used it on rubber, just bare metal or plastic connectors. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Big Lar From: "planecrazzzy" Did "Vamoose" ever get into the Air ? .. .. By anyone ? .. .. Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314146#314146 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Big Lar From: Robert Laird He sold Vamoose in March 2008..... to someone in San Diego, I think. I have no clue who bought it, or whether it's been in the air since then. If I remember right, it did fly at various points in it's history, but he kept trying "alternative" engines and never was happy with whatever was going on with it at the time. -- Robert On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:32 PM, planecrazzzy wrote: > > Did "Vamoose" ever get into the Air ? > . > . > By anyone ? > . > . > Gotta Fly... > . > . > . > > -------- > . > . > . > . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314146#314146 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:24 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Ignition Question But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might end up insulating a connection? guess I am having a hard time with this thread.... at least for me it has not been a problem.. on my old boat trailer I had to take apart, clean, and reassemble the light connections a couple times a year. after putting on the dielectric gel I went many, many years and still did not have to clean up the lights,,, the dielectric gel kept all the water and corrosion off the joints. after putting the dielectric on the socket, then on the bulb, and when they were assembled, there was a physical connection between the metal components, and the lights come on. every connection on the plane will have a physical connection, where the metal will contact metal through the gel. sure where there is no metal contact, there will be no electron flowing from one piece to another,,,, but dry or Vaseline,,, if there is no metal contact, no electrons will flow there either. now on lead acid batteries,, I have used Vaseline for years after being told by an old mechanic that worked on the fire trucks at the local AFB but never considered it on other connections. I have liked the gel because it does not drip or run off when it gets hot. boyd young mkiii ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:11 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Big Lar If I remember right, it did fly at various points in it's history, but he kept trying "alternative" engines and never was happy with whatever was going on with it at the time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry never flew the plane,,,, he started it a few time but never committed aviation. on a early start, Larry twisted off the input shaft of his one of a kind psru....(almost sure it was the input shaft,) the rebuild of the psru kept having oil leak problems... he finally got the leaks resolved,,, then the engine backfired during a start up and destroyed the chain in the psru,,, that was or seemed to be the last straw before Larry sold the plane. I don't know if the new owner has or has not flown the plane. I have wondered the same thing during this thread. boyd young mkIII ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: "Richard Pike" If you would like a totally biased opinion at how one particular curmudgeon thinks MKIII's ought to be built, check out dis heah: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm Then when you are totally confused, ask questions on this list. We have many opinions... and are not shy to express them. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314157#314157 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit From: zeprep251@aol.com Welcome AJ, There is a MK3 at a private strip on Rt14 near Columbiana called Morris, just inside the Mode C ring of Pittsburgh.Joe Saval flies there. I fly ov er there once in a while to visit But about 15 miles west of Morris is Sal em (38D) A great restaurant for breakfast .We visit there a lot.We get a nice Saturday,we'll pick you up there and take you to breakfast! Gary Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200a 595 hrs. -----Original Message----- From: awcbs Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 10:52 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa but that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads. been from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake . I live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north of pittsburgh. my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up his to the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralig ht out of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the area, thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314103#314103 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:48 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Survey flight This morning I made a flight to Burns, the closest town to me, to survey and mark the various ponds in that area for an upcoming Falconry meet. On the whole it was uneventful, even though it got a bit bumpy coming back over the Mountains at 12 pm. I have gotten spoiled since moving here and this is the first time that I have flown in anything other than the early morning air. Here is the spot page of my trip. It will be up for at least 7 days before spot wipes it out. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0siAoTNYTZD 6KPbiDncNLfKZruRqx5nUO If you click on either Hybrid or Satellite you can get an idea of what the country looks like. I flew for 3:45 minutes, fuel burn was 11 gallons at 21 miles per gallon. I also flew at max cruise which is 5800 RPM's, climbing to 7000, and the average speed was 65 MPH. I located over 40 ponds that would hold ducks for us to hunt if we can of course get permission to do so. I did get a bit of a surprise when I over flew the Burns Airport and found that it was closed for repair. My gas supply was cut off and I had to land in a field at a friends house, call John H and the wife to go buy a gas can and bring me some gas. Luckily they had decided to drive to Burns to visit the Dairy Queen and get a few supplies. For the most part the weather here at this time of the year is the best that it gets, but it is exceptionally hot causing quite a bit of thermal activity. Hopefully every one now has something other than dial up. If not, I apologize, and will keep my comments and flights to myself in the future. Larry Firestar II - HKS 700 E Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:07 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Survey flight I flew for 3:45 minutes, fuel burn was 11 gallons at 21 miles per gallon. I also flew at max cruise which is 5800 RPM's, climbing to 7000, Larry Firestar II - HKS 700 E I did not think your altimeter went that high LOL great pictures boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Video of flying the Mississippi From: "Thumper" This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN Kolb Firestar Owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:21 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of flying the Mississippi Dennis That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic flying experience! But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year. You don't need that. You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person, vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure (includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface (includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff) And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be. Good luck Russ K On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote: > > This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to > Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope > this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 > > -------- > Dennis Long > Oakland TN > Kolb Firestar Owner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of flying the Mississippi From: robert bean Russ, I could see that he was at least 501' away. BB On 29, Sep 2010, at 8:01 PM, russ kinne wrote: > > Dennis > That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic flying experience! > But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year. > You don't need that. > You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person, vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure (includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface (includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff) > And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be. > Good luck > Russ K > > On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote: > >> >> This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 >> >> -------- >> Dennis Long >> Oakland TN >> Kolb Firestar Owner >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:15 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of flying the Mississippi My eyeballs read the same way whenever I'm flying! But I have been writ up. And survived. barely. RK On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:29 PM, robert bean wrote: > > Russ, I could see that he was at least 501' away. > BB > > On 29, Sep 2010, at 8:01 PM, russ kinne wrote: > >> >> Dennis >> That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic >> flying experience! >> But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. >> That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year. >> You don't need that. >> You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any >> "person, vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or >> structure (includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the >> surface (includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff) >> And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be. >> Good luck >> Russ K >> >> On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote: >> >>> >>> This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to >>> Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. >>> Hope this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site >>> before. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 >>> >>> -------- >>> Dennis Long >>> Oakland TN >>> Kolb Firestar Owner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Survey flight From: "Richard Pike" Great pictures, thanks! And something not everybody knows about is that you can resize pictures to just a fraction of the usual bandwidth very easily - check out dis heah: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Very useful tool. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314190#314190 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video of flying the Mississippi From: "Richard Pike" [quote="russkinne(at)mac.com"]Dennis That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic flying experience! But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year. You don't need that. You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person, vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure (includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface (includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff) And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be. Good luck Russ K [quote] Brings to mind a story from years back - Being a retired controller, you collect a lot of those. My trainer/supervisor when I first got to TRI (he's dead now) told the story on himself of vectoring a Southern DC-9 for a left turn into final not realizing that the west sector controller was also vectoring one for a right turn in, and they ended up just about parallel holding hands, and the dialog as it was told to me went something like this: APCH: Southern 833, traffic is a Grumman at 3 o'clock and three miles, will be following you in. SO833: Traffic in sight, and - uh- he looks a lot closer than 3 miles. APCH: Roger, contact tower 119.5. At this point the Sup gets somebody to take East Radar and goes up to the tower to get the Ground Controller out for a break. Consequently, he is at the right place at the right time a few minutes later when Southern 833 makes the following inquiry... SO833: Ground, SO833, got a question. GC: SO833, go ahead. SO833: How far away is that airplane at the end gate? GC: 3 miles. SO833: That's what I suspected... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314191#314191 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:52 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Survey flight And something not everybody knows about is that you can resize pictures to just a fraction of the usual bandwidth very easily - check out dis heath: Richard you are going to have to be more specific. I was unsure if you were telling me to make them smaller? I did resize them to 700x 460, they were 16 MB originally. If you would like them smaller, I will make a note to myself to either do so, or just not send any at all. 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