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1. 01:59 AM - Re: Re: Survey flight ()
2. 05:57 AM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (racerjerry)
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Dana Hague)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: 912 Ignition Question (racerjerry)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Survey flight (william sullivan)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Mike Welch)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (John Hauck)
10. 04:14 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
11. 06:00 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
12. 06:02 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
13. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (william sullivan)
14. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Survey flight (Dana Hague)
15. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Big Lar (willuribe@aol.com)
16. 07:22 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Jerry Deckard)
17. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
18. 07:42 PM - Re: Survey flight (william sullivan)
19. 07:43 PM - Re: Tail Wag (willuribe@aol.com)
20. 07:51 PM - Rod end security (Richard Girard)
21. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (John Hauck)
22. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Dana Hague)
23. 09:43 PM - misplaced email (Larry Cottrell)
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Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Dont stop sending them . I for one like to see all the picts and vidios
and I bet there are many on this list that think the same .I really feel
guilty for not posting more from my flights.
Downunder
MK111c
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
"any tips before I get started are always welcome."
YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing.
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Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
Actually it's "person, vessel, or structure on the surface"... not that it
matters. At that height binoculars wouldn't even be necessary.
In today's paranoid society people seem to have 911 on speed dial on their
cellphones, and cellphone cameras in case they missed the N-number. And
there has been a lot of discussion recently, I forget whether it was on
this list or elsewhere, about self incriminating flying videos on youtube
leading to FAA enforcement action.
But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; it would be completely legal...
I love my UltraStar!
-Dana
At 08:01 PM 9/29/2010, russ kinne wrote:
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>Dennis
>That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic
>flying experience!
>But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it.
>That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
>You don't need that.
>You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person,
>vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure
>(includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface
>(includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff)
>And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
>Good luck
>Russ K
>
>On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote:
>
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>>This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
>>Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope
>>this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before.
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>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
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>>Dennis Long
>>Oakland TN
>>Kolb Firestar Owner
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
DOW 4 Compound works for me. It is an inert electrical insulating compound in
the form of silicone grease that is designed to be compatible with metal, rubber
and plastic parts. It won't run off with heat either.
One of Dow 4's best uses is for O-ring installation, It lubricates and retards
"rolling" and poor seating of O-rings during installation.
Dow 4 is available through Aircraft Spruce and other suppliers. Please note that
I have no connection with Dow or Aircraft Spruce; just as a very satisfied
customer.
More info here: http://www4.dowcorning.com/DataFiles/090007c8801e254b.pdf
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Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
- Keep sending the photos.- When I have sent photos, Windows will ask m
e if I want to reduce the size of the pictures.- These are the ones that
appear at the top of peoples' messages.- When you click on them, they enl
arge.- Love seeing the photos- from a New Englander's standpoint, you are
sending them from a different planet.
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do not archive
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
While you're doing the inventory, keep an eye out for the elevator bell
crank that installs in the cockpit and is connected to the stick with a push
pull tube. There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that
added a hole on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from
the trim lever. Previous to this the trim lever connected to the elevator
with a cable that ran from the trim lever all the way back to the bell crank
in the tail and back again to the cockpit bell crank. When the trim lever is
moved from whatever the builder selects as the neutral point one part of the
cable goes slack and bangs around in the tail tube. While the noise by
itself is worrisome, when the trim cable is taut and the elevator control
cable is slack the elevator becomes kind of loosy goosy in turbulence.
There are two ways to fix the problem, call Travis and order the current
iteration of the cockpit bell crank, or use a longer bolt to attach the rod
end of the push pull tube and add a tang to provide the second hole for the
trim cable.
Another thing in the control circuits. I don't know if this is covered in
the instruction manual, it isn't on the Mk IIIC plans. Add AN 970 large area
washers to the outside of the rod end attachment bolt of the bell crank
described above and the two on the aileron bell crank for the ailerons.
This will keep the controls from becoming separated should the rod end come
apart.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:55 AM, racerjerry <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
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> "any tips before I get started are always welcome."
>
> YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing.
>
> --------
> Jerry King
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314207#314207
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole
on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim le
ver.
Rick Girard
Rick=2C
I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in November 19
98. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999=2C AND it is evident
ly an early model Xtra=2C one would assume Kolb
Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style.
However=2C it is an excellent point that you mention it=2C just in case a
nyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator
bellcrank.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
The change must have been cut in very early on in the Mk III production. I
had a conversation with Travis about it when I first found it on my
aircraft. As I recall he had no record of it which would seem to indicate
the cut in was done before TNK took over from Homer. The serial number
stamped at the end of the engine mount tube on my aircraft is 043.
Truthfully, for all I know this may have been a builder mod. It doesn't look
like it, but it could be.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole
> on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim
> lever.
> Rick Girard
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November
> 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
> you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999, AND it is evidently
> an early model Xtra, one would assume Kolb
> Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style.
> However, it is an excellent point that you mention it, just in
> case anyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator
> bellcrank.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
>
> *
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> *
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
I have MKIII sn: M3-011.
Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded
up MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We
also built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning,
when Homer Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and
I had done the night before.
My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all
do.
BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't
figured out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end
bearings have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite
serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember
fender washers being added to rod end bearings.
I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the
small AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
disintegrated.
john h
mkIII
7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR
I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in
November 1998. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
you refer to
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
zeprep, might take you up on the offer, but if your flyin I'm buyin. let me know
when your goin and if I'm not workin I'll be there. thanks everyone for the
replies and tips. I'll post a couple pics and serial # later 2night, maybe it'll
shed a little more light on the year? goto finish making room for it, then
inventory. know it's missing lexan and aluminum floor. thanks AJ
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
original bill of sale dated 12-10-1999
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
whoops, kinda big, have to resize next time
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
- That photo format worked just fine.- One of the guys should be able t
o date it from this.
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----------------- Bill Sullivan
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----------------- FS 447
--- On Fri, 10/1/10, awcbs <awcbsone@windstream.net> wrote:
original bill of sale dated 12-10-1999
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Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Here's a low res picture (cut from a video from a camera mounted on the
wing of my UltraStar)... this is for the UK guys... we have some castles in
New England too!
Bill and Russ will of course recognize where this is...
-Dana
At 08:00 AM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote:
> Keep sending the photos. When I have sent photos, Windows will ask me
> if I want to reduce the size of the pictures. These are the ones that
> appear at the top of peoples' messages. When you click on them, they
> enlarge. Love seeing the photos- from a New Englander's standpoint, you
> are sending them from a different planet.
>
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Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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Greetings,
Larry sold Vamoose to a 70 year old from San Diego, Larry lost contact wit
h him so he never knew if it ever flew.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
Larry never flew the plane,,,, he started it a few time but never committ
ed aviation. on a early start, Larry twisted off the input shaft of his
one of a kind psru....(almost sure it was the input shaft,) the rebuild
of the psru kept having oil leak problems... he finally got the leaks re
solved,,, then the engine backfired during a start up and destroyed the
chain in the psru,,, that was or seemed to be the last straw before Lar
ry sold the plane.
I don't know if the new owner has or has not flown the plane. I have wond
ered the same thing during this thread.
boyd young mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
How far are you from Jonesboro? I am in SE Missouri about a hour north
of Jonesboro. We they having a fly in at the experimental strip?
Jerry
This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope
this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
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Oakland TN
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
John, I must assume, then, that my aircraft had an ill considered
modification to the elevator trim linkage.
As for the rod ends,
"Rod ends have been known to literally come apart after the peening
retaining the ball races somehow failed allowing the bearings to become
disconnected. It is the wise builder who takes the precaution of installing
a large diameter washer between the nut and bearing to prevent its total
failure. To be successful in preventing this type of failure, the washer
must have a diameter somewhat larger than the hole in the bearing
flange.".....Tony Bingelis, "Sportplane Construction Techniques"
Tony made this recommendation about carburetor linkages, but I've found the
same recommendation for control surface linkages in plans for the Long EZ
and Varieze, among others.
If you like videos, EAA has this.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1618638582
Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron counterweights
you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they wore? 60 cents worth
of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to me.
"For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost."
Rick
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> I have MKIII sn: M3-011.
>
> Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded up
> MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We also
> built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning, when Homer
> Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and I had done the
> night before.
>
> My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all
> do.
>
> BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured
> out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings have
> over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite serviceable. During
> my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember fender washers being
> added to rod end bearings.
>
> I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
> close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
> push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small
> AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
> disintegrated.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> 7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR
>
>
> I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November
> 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
> you refer to
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
- We will have to get you a high resolution camera.- I was there last y
ear, and the detail is incredible.- Looks better from the air than close
up on the ground.- I am sure some Sherlock Holmes on the List can figure
it out.
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do not archive
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-------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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---------------FS 447
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Greetings,
I never experienced tail wag and I didn't always fly with my feet on the
rudder pedals. I have the standard springs that came with the kit.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
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Subject: | Rod end security |
John, I did some more digging in FAA publication AC 65-15A "Airframe &
Powerplant Mechanics Airframe Handbook" that might explain why you didn't
see any restraints to keep rod end bearings from coming loose and departing
the housing. On page 68, figure 2-61 is a cutaway view of rod end housing
that has a large flange on the bell crank side. The text accompanying the
drawing says, " It is possible for control rods with bearings to become
disconnected because of failure of the peening that retains the ball races
in the rod end. This can be avoided by installing control rods so that the
flange of the rod end is interposed between the rod end and anchored end of
the attaching pin or bolt as shown in figure 2-60. Another alternative is to
place a washer, having a diameter larger than the hole in the flange, under
the retaining nut on the end of the attaching pin or bolt."
I was able to cut the drawing from the page but the text caption didn't come
out the best in the transition to a jpg file.
I'm no helicopter mechanic, but that might explain why you didn't see large
area washers being used to safety the rod ends on helicopter controls. That
same capability was built into the rod end housing instead.
Rick
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
No, I didn't say that.
I did not have to change out aileron push/pull rod end bearings. I
changed out aileron push/pull rod end bearings that showed any sign of
play, 25 hours, 50 hours, whenever there was the slightest bit of play,
in an effort to prevent aileron flutter. Not because the ball was going
to pull out of the socket.
In my last post I shared I have aileron push/pull rod end bearings with
over 3,000.00 hours, lots of play/slop, and no aileron flutter with
aileron counterbalance weights installed.
I'm talking about 1/4" and 5/16" rod end bearings used on elevator and
aileron controls on Kolbs, not tiny rod ends used on throttle linkages.
There is a tremendous difference in durability and longevity between
tiny ones and large ones.
I have never seen or read a report where a 1/4" or larger rod end
bearing failed, especially on a Kolb.
First time I saw fender washers being used on rod end bearings was back
in the early days of ultralights. Probably came from the same book as
clear plastic fuel line so you can see your fuel. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron
counterweights you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they
wore? 60 cents worth of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to
me.
"For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost."
Rick
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
I added the large washers to the controls on my UltraStar because it
definitely looked like a failed bushing could allow the bolt could pull
through the eye. Can't do any harm, and it adds peace of mind.
I recently replaced the larger (3/8") rod ends on my US engine mounts after
finding them badly worn. On these (I know because I just did it) the bolt
head and AN960 washer definitely could pass through the eye. I added AN970
washers there, too.
Does Kolb spec AN rod end bearings on the controls? On the US engine
mounts, at least, the drawings call out a commercial part number, not an AN
part, so the dimensions may be slightly different. I'm sure the Army
choppers used AN parts, though.
-Dana
At 01:13 PM 9/30/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>
>BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured
>out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings
>have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite
>serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember
>fender washers being added to rod end bearings.
>
>I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
>close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
>push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small
>AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
>disintegrated.
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Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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Someone wrote me a personal email wanting pictures and info on my HKS
installation and I have lost it and the email address. Please send
another and I will be glad to send you any pictures that you would like.
Larry
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