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Thu 09/30/10


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     1. 01:59 AM - Re: Re: Survey flight ()
     2. 05:57 AM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (racerjerry)
     3. 06:07 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Dana Hague)
     4. 06:28 AM - Re: 912 Ignition Question (racerjerry)
     5. 07:10 AM - Re: Survey flight (william sullivan)
     6. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
     7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Mike Welch)
     8. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
     9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (John Hauck)
    10. 04:14 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
    11. 06:00 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
    12. 06:02 PM - Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (awcbs)
    13. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (william sullivan)
    14. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Survey flight (Dana Hague)
    15. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Big Lar (willuribe@aol.com)
    16. 07:22 PM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Jerry Deckard)
    17. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Richard Girard)
    18. 07:42 PM - Re: Survey flight (william sullivan)
    19. 07:43 PM - Re: Tail Wag (willuribe@aol.com)
    20. 07:51 PM - Rod end security (Richard Girard)
    21. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (John Hauck)
    22. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Dana Hague)
    23. 09:43 PM - misplaced email (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:59:37 AM PST US
    From: <aoldman@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Survey flight
    Dont stop sending them . I for one like to see all the picts and vidios and I bet there are many on this list that think the same .I really feel guilty for not posting more from my flights. Downunder MK111c


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    Time: 05:57:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: "racerjerry" <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    "any tips before I get started are always welcome." YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314207#314207


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    Time: 06:07:43 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Video of flying the Mississippi
    Actually it's "person, vessel, or structure on the surface"... not that it matters. At that height binoculars wouldn't even be necessary. In today's paranoid society people seem to have 911 on speed dial on their cellphones, and cellphone cameras in case they missed the N-number. And there has been a lot of discussion recently, I forget whether it was on this list or elsewhere, about self incriminating flying videos on youtube leading to FAA enforcement action. But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; it would be completely legal... I love my UltraStar! -Dana At 08:01 PM 9/29/2010, russ kinne wrote: > >Dennis >That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic >flying experience! >But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. >That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year. >You don't need that. >You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person, >vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure >(includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface >(includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff) >And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be. >Good luck >Russ K > >On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote: > >> >>This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to >>Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope >>this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 >> >>-------- >>Dennis Long >>Oakland TN >>Kolb Firestar Owner >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.


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    Time: 06:28:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 912 Ignition Question
    From: "racerjerry" <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    DOW 4 Compound works for me. It is an inert electrical insulating compound in the form of silicone grease that is designed to be compatible with metal, rubber and plastic parts. It won't run off with heat either. One of Dow 4's best uses is for O-ring installation, It lubricates and retards "rolling" and poor seating of O-rings during installation. Dow 4 is available through Aircraft Spruce and other suppliers. Please note that I have no connection with Dow or Aircraft Spruce; just as a very satisfied customer. More info here: http://www4.dowcorning.com/DataFiles/090007c8801e254b.pdf -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314210#314210


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    Time: 07:10:09 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Survey flight
    - Keep sending the photos.- When I have sent photos, Windows will ask m e if I want to reduce the size of the pictures.- These are the ones that appear at the top of peoples' messages.- When you click on them, they enl arge.- Love seeing the photos- from a New Englander's standpoint, you are sending them from a different planet. - do not archive - ------------------------- ------------------------- ---- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ---- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- ---- FS 447


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    Time: 07:28:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    While you're doing the inventory, keep an eye out for the elevator bell crank that installs in the cockpit and is connected to the stick with a push pull tube. There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim lever. Previous to this the trim lever connected to the elevator with a cable that ran from the trim lever all the way back to the bell crank in the tail and back again to the cockpit bell crank. When the trim lever is moved from whatever the builder selects as the neutral point one part of the cable goes slack and bangs around in the tail tube. While the noise by itself is worrisome, when the trim cable is taut and the elevator control cable is slack the elevator becomes kind of loosy goosy in turbulence. There are two ways to fix the problem, call Travis and order the current iteration of the cockpit bell crank, or use a longer bolt to attach the rod end of the push pull tube and add a tang to provide the second hole for the trim cable. Another thing in the control circuits. I don't know if this is covered in the instruction manual, it isn't on the Mk IIIC plans. Add AN 970 large area washers to the outside of the rod end attachment bolt of the bell crank described above and the two on the aileron bell crank for the ailerons. This will keep the controls from becoming separated should the rod end come apart. Rick Girard On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:55 AM, racerjerry <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote: > > "any tips before I get started are always welcome." > > YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314207#314207 > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim le ver. Rick Girard Rick=2C I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in November 19 98. I DO have the updated bellcrank that you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999=2C AND it is evident ly an early model Xtra=2C one would assume Kolb Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style. However=2C it is an excellent point that you mention it=2C just in case a nyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator bellcrank. Mike Welch MkIII


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    Time: 08:27:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    The change must have been cut in very early on in the Mk III production. I had a conversation with Travis about it when I first found it on my aircraft. As I recall he had no record of it which would seem to indicate the cut in was done before TNK took over from Homer. The serial number stamped at the end of the engine mount tube on my aircraft is 043. Truthfully, for all I know this may have been a builder mod. It doesn't look like it, but it could be. Rick On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote: > There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole > on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim > lever. > Rick Girard > > > Rick, > > I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November > 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that > you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999, AND it is evidently > an early model Xtra, one would assume Kolb > Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style. > However, it is an excellent point that you mention it, just in > case anyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator > bellcrank. > > Mike Welch > MkIII > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 10:55:32 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    I have MKIII sn: M3-011. Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded up MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We also built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning, when Homer Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and I had done the night before. My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all do. BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember fender washers being added to rod end bearings. I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally disintegrated. john h mkIII 7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in November 1998. I DO have the updated bellcrank that you refer to Mike Welch MkIII


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    Time: 04:14:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: "awcbs" <awcbsone@windstream.net>
    zeprep, might take you up on the offer, but if your flyin I'm buyin. let me know when your goin and if I'm not workin I'll be there. thanks everyone for the replies and tips. I'll post a couple pics and serial # later 2night, maybe it'll shed a little more light on the year? goto finish making room for it, then inventory. know it's missing lexan and aluminum floor. thanks AJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314242#314242


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    Time: 06:00:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: "awcbs" <awcbsone@windstream.net>
    original bill of sale dated 12-10-1999 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314245#314245 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/054_150.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/052_508.jpg


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    Time: 06:02:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: "awcbs" <awcbsone@windstream.net>
    whoops, kinda big, have to resize next time Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314246#314246


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    Time: 07:19:37 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    - That photo format worked just fine.- One of the guys should be able t o date it from this. - ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------------- FS 447 --- On Fri, 10/1/10, awcbs <awcbsone@windstream.net> wrote: original bill of sale dated 12-10-1999 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/054_150.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/052_508.jpg le, List Admin.


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    Time: 07:19:50 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Survey flight
    Here's a low res picture (cut from a video from a camera mounted on the wing of my UltraStar)... this is for the UK guys... we have some castles in New England too! Bill and Russ will of course recognize where this is... -Dana At 08:00 AM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote: > Keep sending the photos. When I have sent photos, Windows will ask me > if I want to reduce the size of the pictures. These are the ones that > appear at the top of peoples' messages. When you click on them, they > enlarge. Love seeing the photos- from a New Englander's standpoint, you > are sending them from a different planet. > -- Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.


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    Time: 07:21:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Big Lar
    From: willuribe@aol.com
    Greetings, Larry sold Vamoose to a 70 year old from San Diego, Larry lost contact wit h him so he never knew if it ever flew. Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II Larry never flew the plane,,,, he started it a few time but never committ ed aviation. on a early start, Larry twisted off the input shaft of his one of a kind psru....(almost sure it was the input shaft,) the rebuild of the psru kept having oil leak problems... he finally got the leaks re solved,,, then the engine backfired during a start up and destroyed the chain in the psru,,, that was or seemed to be the last straw before Lar ry sold the plane. I don't know if the new owner has or has not flown the plane. I have wond ered the same thing during this thread. boyd young mkIII


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    Time: 07:22:12 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Video of flying the Mississippi
    How far are you from Jonesboro? I am in SE Missouri about a hour north of Jonesboro. We they having a fly in at the experimental strip? Jerry This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0 -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN Kolb Firestar Owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176 Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.


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    Time: 07:26:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    John, I must assume, then, that my aircraft had an ill considered modification to the elevator trim linkage. As for the rod ends, "Rod ends have been known to literally come apart after the peening retaining the ball races somehow failed allowing the bearings to become disconnected. It is the wise builder who takes the precaution of installing a large diameter washer between the nut and bearing to prevent its total failure. To be successful in preventing this type of failure, the washer must have a diameter somewhat larger than the hole in the bearing flange.".....Tony Bingelis, "Sportplane Construction Techniques" Tony made this recommendation about carburetor linkages, but I've found the same recommendation for control surface linkages in plans for the Long EZ and Varieze, among others. If you like videos, EAA has this. http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1618638582 Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron counterweights you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they wore? 60 cents worth of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to me. "For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost." Rick On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > I have MKIII sn: M3-011. > > Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded up > MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We also > built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning, when Homer > Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and I had done the > night before. > > My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all > do. > > BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured > out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings have > over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite serviceable. During > my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember fender washers being > added to rod end bearings. > > I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a > close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron > push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small > AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally > disintegrated. > > john h > mkIII > 7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR > > > I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November > 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that > you refer to > Mike Welch > MkIII > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 07:42:46 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Survey flight
    - We will have to get you a high resolution camera.- I was there last y ear, and the detail is incredible.- Looks better from the air than close up on the ground.- I am sure some Sherlock Holmes on the List can figure it out. - do not archive ------------------------- -------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- -------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ---------------FS 447


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    Time: 07:43:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail Wag
    From: willuribe@aol.com
    Greetings, I never experienced tail wag and I didn't always fly with my feet on the rudder pedals. I have the standard springs that came with the kit. Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II


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    Time: 07:51:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Rod end security
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    John, I did some more digging in FAA publication AC 65-15A "Airframe & Powerplant Mechanics Airframe Handbook" that might explain why you didn't see any restraints to keep rod end bearings from coming loose and departing the housing. On page 68, figure 2-61 is a cutaway view of rod end housing that has a large flange on the bell crank side. The text accompanying the drawing says, " It is possible for control rods with bearings to become disconnected because of failure of the peening that retains the ball races in the rod end. This can be avoided by installing control rods so that the flange of the rod end is interposed between the rod end and anchored end of the attaching pin or bolt as shown in figure 2-60. Another alternative is to place a washer, having a diameter larger than the hole in the flange, under the retaining nut on the end of the attaching pin or bolt." I was able to cut the drawing from the page but the text caption didn't come out the best in the transition to a jpg file. I'm no helicopter mechanic, but that might explain why you didn't see large area washers being used to safety the rod ends on helicopter controls. That same capability was built into the rod end housing instead. Rick -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 07:53:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    No, I didn't say that. I did not have to change out aileron push/pull rod end bearings. I changed out aileron push/pull rod end bearings that showed any sign of play, 25 hours, 50 hours, whenever there was the slightest bit of play, in an effort to prevent aileron flutter. Not because the ball was going to pull out of the socket. In my last post I shared I have aileron push/pull rod end bearings with over 3,000.00 hours, lots of play/slop, and no aileron flutter with aileron counterbalance weights installed. I'm talking about 1/4" and 5/16" rod end bearings used on elevator and aileron controls on Kolbs, not tiny rod ends used on throttle linkages. There is a tremendous difference in durability and longevity between tiny ones and large ones. I have never seen or read a report where a 1/4" or larger rod end bearing failed, especially on a Kolb. First time I saw fender washers being used on rod end bearings was back in the early days of ultralights. Probably came from the same book as clear plastic fuel line so you can see your fuel. ;-) john h mkIII Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron counterweights you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they wore? 60 cents worth of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to me. "For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost." Rick


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    Time: 09:13:50 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
    I added the large washers to the controls on my UltraStar because it definitely looked like a failed bushing could allow the bolt could pull through the eye. Can't do any harm, and it adds peace of mind. I recently replaced the larger (3/8") rod ends on my US engine mounts after finding them badly worn. On these (I know because I just did it) the bolt head and AN960 washer definitely could pass through the eye. I added AN970 washers there, too. Does Kolb spec AN rod end bearings on the controls? On the US engine mounts, at least, the drawings call out a commercial part number, not an AN part, so the dimensions may be slightly different. I'm sure the Army choppers used AN parts, though. -Dana At 01:13 PM 9/30/2010, John Hauck wrote: > >BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured >out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings >have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite >serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember >fender washers being added to rod end bearings. > >I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a >close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron >push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small >AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally >disintegrated. -- Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.


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    Time: 09:43:56 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: misplaced email
    Someone wrote me a personal email wanting pictures and info on my HKS installation and I have lost it and the email address. Please send another and I will be glad to send you any pictures that you would like. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address.




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