Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Survey flight (Pat Ladd)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Pat Ladd)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Survey flight (Dana Hague)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: misplaced email (Sheila Slinkard)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (Dana Hague)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Dana Hague)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit (John Hauck)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Thumper)
9. 10:07 AM - Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X (fducker@aol.com)
10. 10:23 AM - HKS & Kolb (McCarthy Tom)
11. 10:23 AM - Carb heater for Jabiru M3X. (fducker@AOL.COM)
12. 10:56 AM - Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN)
13. 11:44 AM - sorta kinda kolb related (robert bean)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Video of flying the Mississippi (John Hauck)
15. 12:25 PM - Re: HKS & Kolb (Larry Cottrell)
16. 12:28 PM - Re: HKS & Kolb (Richard Pike)
17. 12:50 PM - 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In (Richard Neilsen)
18. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: HKS & Kolb (Richard Girard)
19. 01:02 PM - Re: HKS & Kolb (Larry Cottrell)
20. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Survey flight (russ kinne)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
22. 06:32 PM - Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X (ces308)
23. 06:38 PM - Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X (ces308)
24. 06:44 PM - Re: HKS & Kolb (Richard Pike)
25. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: HKS & Kolb (Richard Girard)
26. 07:40 PM - Re: 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In (cspoke)
27. 11:03 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:04 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Here's a low res picture of Gillette castle>>
Seems a lot of trouble just to keep a few razors in.
Cheers
Pat
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; >>
Really? There certainly is in the UK. The `no flying over crowds towns
etc` has been waived and is now the same as for normal GA aircraft but
the proximity rule still holds for everyone
Pat
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Oh, I have a better still camera (and better photos of the castle, too). I
just like this picture because it has the plane and me in the picture (thus
keeping it "Kolb related" :) ). The camera in this case is a very tiny
(size of a pack of gum) solid state video camera that was rubber banded to
the wing strut.
-Dana
do not archive
At 10:40 PM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote:
> We will have to get you a high resolution camera. I was there last
> year, and the detail is incredible. Looks better from the air than close
> up on the ground. I am sure some Sherlock Holmes on the List can figure
> it out.
>
--
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: misplaced email |
Greetings, Larry,
Thanks for corresponding thru Matronics. We live in Mesa, WA. Eastern
Washington rancher for 40 years. Long time pilot and airplane builder,
Champ, Stinson, Cessna,Glasair, Benson and Barnet Gyros. Newly acquired
Kolb project.
Would like from you information to set up Firestar II with HKS 700E
engine. I would like the thrust line as low as possible yet retain
maximum propeller efficiency and clean aerodynamic profile with minimum
drag do to exposed engine parts and accessories. From reading all the
Matronics archives you seem to be the Guru. Pictures are worth a
thousand words.
New friend,
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: misplaced email
Someone wrote me a personal email wanting pictures and info on my HKS
installation and I have lost it and the email address. Please send
another and I will be glad to send you any pictures that you would like.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
At 10:50 PM 9/30/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>
>I'm talking about 1/4" and 5/16" rod end bearings used on elevator and
>aileron controls on Kolbs, not tiny rod ends used on throttle
>linkages. There is a tremendous difference in durability and longevity
>between tiny ones and large ones.
I don't think it matters whether large or small, as long as the rod end is
loaded according to its design limits. The problem in a throttle linkage,
perhaps, is vibration, which probably causes a lot more wear than smoothly
operating controls.
> I have never seen or read a report where a 1/4" or larger rod end
> bearing failed, especially on a Kolb.
Well, the 3/8" ends in my engine mount didn't fail completely, but there
was about 1/16" of play in them, so it might not have been too long. Of
course a control rod end never would have gotten that bad, you'd catch it
as you check the linkages during preflight, but with the weight of the
engine always on the rod ends, you don't see the play unless you actually
lift the engine up.
Again, here, it's vibration... the 3/8" size is rated over 3000# each. I
have no idea how many hours were on these (or even on the plane) but my
guess is the rod ends were original with the plane.
> First time I saw fender washers being used on rod end bearings was back
> in the early days of ultralights. Probably came from the same book as
> clear plastic fuel line so you can see your fuel. ;-)
Must.... not.... go.... there.... :)
-Dana
--
"Gold cannot always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always
get you gold"-- Niccolo Machiavelli
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
At 07:34 AM 10/1/2010, Pat Ladd wrote:
>But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; >>
>Really? There certainly is in the UK. The `no flying over crowds towns
>etc` has been waived and is now the same as for normal GA aircraft but the
>proximity rule still holds for everyone
Nope. True ultralights here are subject solely to the two pages of Part
103 which, while it does have the prohibition of flying over towns and
crowds, has no minimum altitude or proximity. Of course, they can get you
for "creating a hazard" which is sometimes seen as a rule against "impolite
flying"...
Remember, here an ultralight is not like your UK microlights which are
still registered aircraft. Here, a true UL (single seat, under 254#, etc.)
has no registration, inspection, or pilot certification requirements.
For registered aircraft, of course, the usual minimums (1000' over town,
500' away elsewhere) still apply... but a recent change exempts even
N-numbered powered parachutes and weight-shift aircraft from the 500' rule.
-Dana
--
"Gold cannot always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always
get you gold"-- Niccolo Machiavelli
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
Dana/Gang:
I'd guess there was a lot more load and wear in an engine mount
application than used as rod ends for ailerons.
Again, I am flying with rod ends on my aileron push/pull tubes with more
than 3,000.00 hours that are serviceable.
john h
mkIII
Well, the 3/8" ends in my engine mount didn't fail completely, but
there was about 1/16" of play in them, so it might not have been too
long. -Dana
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
It is a UL airplane here in the USA so swooping I will go. I want to put larger
tires and brakes on it so I can takeoff from some of the sandbars.
Jerry
Yes it was at the classic airstrip and there were 34 planes on the field
with lots of flying going on. It was one of the busiest I have been at this year.
There is a lot of interest in the Ultralights again it seems.
In November they are having a parachute fly-in but I don't have the date. E-mail
me off line at dlong1957@yahoo.com and You might want to be on my MUSG e-mail
group to keep everyone notified of events in this area. I might fly up your
way just for the adventure, I have been thinking of flying up that way and visit
Lambert's for lunch anyway. I am always looking for Kolbs to fly with and
compare planes. I just sold my Ultrastar and bought this 90 Firestar KX. Dennis
Long
--------
Dennis Long
Oakland TN
1990 Kolb Firestar KX
80+ hours since June
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314327#314327
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/file0209_732.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/file0208sm_347.jpg
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! But
the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here?
I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am cur
ious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how th
ey dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befor
e I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying to
sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I am in the final stage of installing a HKS on my Slingshot. My question to those
that have done it on any Kolb are, what gearbox ratio, and is it installed
up or down, and what prop type and size are you running. My configuration is
a 3.47 gear box mounted up, and a borrowed 68" 3 blade warp set to 17 1/2 degree
pitch. There is plenty of room to install up to a 72", but I'm trying to
get the most speed and compromise climb. any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Carb heater for Jabiru M3X. |
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! But
the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here?
I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am cur
ious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how th
ey dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befor
e I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying to
sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
<< ... leading to FAA enforcement action. But in an ultralight there's
no 500' rule; it would be completely legal... I love my UltraStar!
-Dana >>
Dana, and Kolb Friends -
To most of the people in the world, ALL our Kolbs are "ultralights."
This became evident to me when I first began flying my Mark-3 in 1992.
Everywhere I'd go, people referred to my aircraft as an ultralight ...
even other pilots.
Parked at the ramp at any given airport, other pilots would come over to
inspect my Kolb, usually with a greeting like, "That's sure a cute
little ultralight!"
In the pattern - I'd call on Unicom, "Light Sport Kolb niner three delta
kilo, turning left base ..." Invariably, the other fellow in the
pattern in his Cessna/Piper/Mooney would answer, "I'm Number two behind
the ultralight."
Even at airports with control towers, after identifying myself (as
above), as soon as the tower controller sights my Kolb, he'll come back
with, "Ultralight three delta kilo, cleared to land." Sheesh! (In the
famous words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!")
So instead of fighting the system, I eventually gave in, and began
referring to myself on the radio as "Ultralight niner three delta kilo."
But when I had this conversation with John Williamson a few years ago,
in his wisdom and perpetual quest for correctness, he recommended I NOT
identify myself as "ultralight," but rather continue to use the correct
nomenclature, like "Experimental Kolb 93DK," or "Light Sport 93DK."
"Do it the right way," he told me. I'll always remember that.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, N93DK, "Magic Bike"
Sandia Park, NM
Do not archive
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | sorta kinda kolb related |
Hey guys, I stumbled on a great source. I was looking for some bearings for my
-------- and the only local availability was
$20 per. This outfit mailed me a bag of ten for $15.00. For the shipping method
I checked the "take your time" box (cheap)
and they arrived in two days. After some of the mail order hassles I've been through
this year, this order was a pleasant surprise.
-Yah, I know they are probably cheap chinese junk but in the tough environment
these are in it makes no difference.
I'd use them in a minute for my Kolb wheel bearings. I may order some of those
too.
http://www.vxb.com/
BB
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
Dennis K/Gang:
John W also corrected me in properly identifying my MKIII.
-Initial contact with a control tower: Experimental Kolb 101AB.
-Subsequent transmissions: Kolb 1AB.
-Initial non towered airports: Kolb 1AB.
-Subsequent transmissions: 1AB.
Most folks that fly experimental aircraft use: Experimental and the
tail number. However, John W said that could be a 65 mph FS or a 180
mph RV.
john h
mkIII
So instead of fighting the system, I eventually gave in, and began
referring to myself on the radio as "Ultralight niner three delta kilo."
But when I had this conversation with John Williamson a few years ago,
in his wisdom and perpetual quest for correctness, he recommended I NOT
identify myself as "ultralight," but rather continue to use the correct
nomenclature, like "Experimental Kolb 93DK," or "Light Sport 93DK."
"Do it the right way," he told me. I'll always remember that.
Dennis Kirby
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
My configuration is a 3.47 gear box mounted up, and a borrowed 68" 3
blade warp set to 17 1/2 degree pitch. There is plenty of room to
install up to a 72", but I'm trying to get the most speed and compromise
climb. any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom,
Here is my installation on a Fire Star II. I have a Warp 2 blade 66
inch Prop. You might talk to Jerry Olenek @ Green Sky Adventures since
he has installed a HKS on a Slingshot prior to mine.
mail@greenskyadventures.com
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I'm thinking try what you've got for a while. I am using a two bladed 68" Ivo with
a 582 (which makes a tad more power) but a taller ratio 2.58 B box and it
is working really good.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but with about 60 horsepower on tap, I wouldn't
go any longer on diameter. 68" of diameter will give you lots of climb - originally
the MKIII had a 64" three blade Ivo with a 532, and 3 blades was too much,
the 532 didn't have the torque to turn it correctly, so I took it down to
2 blades and that was a good combination of climb and economical cruise, plus
it burned less gas at cruise than a 503.
.
Then went to a 66" two blade Ivo and the climb improved, but the cruise was unchanged.
The 532 then spun the shaft gear just as I heard about a freshly zero'd
582 with a new box, so I upgraded and simultaneously went to a 68" two blade
prop. Climb improved some more, no change in cruise, but it uses more gas.
Not sure how all that relates to an HKS with a slower gearbox, sort of an apples
and oranges thing, but I guess I said all that to say that with around 60 HP
on tap, anything bigger than 68" could turn out to be a bit much.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314345#314345
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In |
Jim Swan and Ted Woodall just left for home in their Kolb Firestars. We had
a great time trading lies and airplane talk since Wednesday. Oh yes had a
great time flying the the Lake Michigan shore line and sand dunes. Attached
are photos of a ship wreck just off shore from my house and photo of me
flying low near the channel to Ludington's harbor. The last photo is a photo
of Little Sable Point on the west shore of Lake Michigan, Our house
overlooks the lake with sand dunes in the back ground with Silver Lake
behind.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike
for 170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set
the pitch to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you
interpolate on the power curve and it works just fine.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking try what you've got for a while. I am using a two bladed 68"
> Ivo with a 582 (which makes a tad more power) but a taller ratio 2.58 B box
> and it is working really good.
>
> I reserve the right to be wrong, but with about 60 horsepower on tap, I
> wouldn't go any longer on diameter. 68" of diameter will give you lots of
> climb - originally the MKIII had a 64" three blade Ivo with a 532, and 3
> blades was too much, the 532 didn't have the torque to turn it correctly, so
> I took it down to 2 blades and that was a good combination of climb and
> economical cruise, plus it burned less gas at cruise than a 503.
> .
>
> Then went to a 66" two blade Ivo and the climb improved, but the cruise was
> unchanged. The 532 then spun the shaft gear just as I heard about a freshly
> zero'd 582 with a new box, so I upgraded and simultaneously went to a 68"
> two blade prop. Climb improved some more, no change in cruise, but it uses
> more gas.
>
> Not sure how all that relates to an HKS with a slower gearbox, sort of an
> apples and oranges thing, but I guess I said all that to say that with
> around 60 HP on tap, anything bigger than 68" could turn out to be a bit
> much.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314345#314345
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Tom,
You are aware that the HKS has about the same performance of a 503, I
am sure. I have heard that they are using the same engine with a Turbo
and getting 100 hp out of it. I hesitate to suggest that a higher thrust
line would not be beneficial, but if I were you I would check it out
before I got too serious about it.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
NICE pic Dana! -- and yes, I do recognize it. I'd know Yankee Stadium
anywhere
Russ
On Sep 30, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> Here's a low res picture (cut from a video from a camera mounted on
> the wing of my UltraStar)... this is for the UK guys... we have
> some castles in New England too!
>
> Bill and Russ will of course recognize where this is...
>
> -Dana
>
>
> At 08:00 AM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote:
>> Keep sending the photos. When I have sent photos, Windows will
>> ask me if I want to reduce the size of the pictures. These are
>> the ones that appear at the top of peoples' messages. When you
>> click on them, they enlarge. Love seeing the photos- from a New
>> Englander's standpoint, you are sending them from a different planet.
>>
> <Kolb over Gilette Castle.jpg>
> --
> Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why
> don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
> it any more.
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
I have installed both style Carb heat systems on Jabiru engines Theres no
thing wrong with either but I would not fly without any carb heat
You only have one venturi feeding 4 cylinders and the air velocity can be
great enough to collect a lot of moisture and freez in there quite fast
I wired the electric system up so low heat was on at all times but you co
uld switch it to hi heat if you really thought you had the conditions for
carb ice and this doesnt change the RPMS when you have it on like the hea
t from a muffler directly ducted to the carb this will change your RPMS wh
en you add carb heat
just my input on what I have done
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: fducker@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 1:03 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! Bu
t the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here
? I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am
curious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how
they dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befo
re I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying
to sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
========================
===========
-= - The Kolb-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - List Contribution Web Site -
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-========================
========================
===========
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
Hello Frank !
Glad to hear of another Jabiru in the clan ! I have the one from http://www.xairireland.com and have been very happy with it.This past spring ,after about 125 hrs with no problem,I was flying on a cool,damp day and she froze up tight! It didn't quit,but I could not throttle it down to land,so I killed the mags and dead sticked her in to the airport with no problems.After getting out of the airplane to take a look.there was water pouring out of the carb as the ice was melting ! I then ordered one and installed it and have not had a problem since!Funny thing is,you never need it,until you need it ! lol I would put something on for carb heat...
What Prince prop did you get? I have a Sensenich ...well...I am waiting for a prop
like the one I had...( They don't like screwdrivers...) and it's going on
16 weeks now to try and get them to finish one ! what size do you have??
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200 153.00 hrs
N327CS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314373#314373
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
....oh yeah....I think I have the same extention as you....also if you go to youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_aMrZ_hlk I have a bunch of videod to look at and a walk around to see the plane....if your interested..
chris ambrose
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314376#314376
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
rickofudall wrote:
> Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike for
170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set the pitch
to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you interpolate
on the power curve and it works just fine.
> Rick Girard
>
>
What is your speed range? I bet the prop is quiet with that ratio?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314377#314377
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I have the 3.45 gearbox. Yes, the quietness of the engine and prop are
commented on often. Depending on the wing I run on it I tend to keep the RPM
fairly low. With the 19M wing I rarely run it over 5000 RPM in cruise. With
the 14.5 I'll go to 5400. Those are the settings that get an efficient hands
off the bar cruise. If I push the RPM up I just get a workout pulling the
bar in, but no extra speed for the excess gas it burns.
Rick
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
>
> rickofudall wrote:
> > Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike
> for 170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set
> the pitch to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you
> interpolate on the power curve and it works just fine.
> > Rick Girard
> >
> >
>
>
> What is your speed range? I bet the prop is quiet with that ratio?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314377#314377
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In |
Wow Rick, Jim and Ted. Your pictures of flying along Lake Michigan make me a little
homesick for the times when I lived up there in Michigan. Thanks for the
memories.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke@gulftel.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314379#314379
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kolb-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Kolb-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kolb-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kolb-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
kolb-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kolb-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kolb-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kolb-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
do not archive
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
do not archive
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|