Kolb-List Digest Archive

Tue 10/05/10


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 04:40 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/03/10 (Thom Riddle)
     2. 10:09 AM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Richard Girard)
     3. 10:55 AM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (ces308)
     4. 12:38 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Ralph B)
     5. 01:23 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (ces308)
     6. 01:36 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (ces308)
     7. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Richard Neilsen)
     8. 04:30 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (ces308)
     9. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Richard Girard)
    10. 05:45 PM - Re: tail boom question (b young)
    11. 05:52 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (b young)
    12. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (russ kinne)
    13. 06:12 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Beauford)
    14. 06:36 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (JetPilot)
    15. 07:10 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS (Ralph B)
    16. 07:29 PM - Re: tail boom question (awcbs)
    17. 07:35 PM - Re: tail boom question (awcbs)
    18. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: tail boom question (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    19. 08:04 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET (Jon LaVasseur)
    20. 09:46 PM - Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET (ces308)
    21. 09:50 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/10 (George Bearden)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:40:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/03/10
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Ted, My slingshot hits a wall at 95 mph and that is its top speed. Anything above about 85 mph requires more and more nose down elevator. I believe that this is due to the thrust line angle being way too high, as you mentioned. I suspected this but could not get Travis to tell me what angle it was supposed to be so I've left it alone. The drawings and plans that I have don't say. That is probably why Travis could not tell me. Now that I know your aft end of the mount is 7/8" higher than the forward end, I can start thinking seriously about fixing mine. Since the motor mount for the Jabiru is way different from the Rotax, 7/8" may not be the right answer for me. At your convenience, if you could measure the thrust line angle relative to the bottom chord of the wing and let me know what that is, I can adjust the Jabiru motor mount for that angle. Right now, my thrust line is pointing UP by 3.5 degrees relative to the bottom chord of the wing and it should be pointing down somewhat relative to the bottom chord, based on your photo and what you said. Thanks for your help. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314762#314762


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    Time: 10:09:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent them. I apologize. Rick Girard On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:59 PM, ces308 <ces308@ldaco.com> wrote: > > Hello all.... > I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I > can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not > make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them > again ?? > > Thank you in advance !! > > chris ambrose > M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs > N327CS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314742#314742 > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 10:55:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Thank you Rick ! These were the ones....we be skiing this winter !! If there are any others out there you would be willing to share I would like to see them too ! Thanks ! chris ambrose M3X / Jabiru 154.hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314811#314811


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    Time: 12:38:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "Ralph B" <rstar447@gmail.com>
    > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent them. I apologize. > > Rick Girard I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures). Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314834#314834 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_ski__723.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_ski__638.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fly_over__460.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/winter_flying_2__739.jpg


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    Time: 01:23:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Hi Ralph ! Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you load the bungie to lift the front of the skis?? chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314837#314837


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    Time: 01:36:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Ralph....do you think they need any kind of keel on the bottom?? chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314838#314838


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    Time: 02:37:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    I have a set if water skiis that were disigned to be attached to the stockgear leg brackets. There are cables that keep the skiis from falling downless than 20-30 degrees and cables that keeps the skiis from riding up more than 30 degrees. The are loops in th cable that with the addition of a bungy will keep the skiies pointed up about 30 degrees in flight. The mount is designed to ride about 1/2 inch higher than pavement with the tails dragging. In deep snow the wheels drop down into the snow and the skii takes over I can send photos. I never fllew the plne in winter so ther is no need to keep thm. Make me a offer Rick Neilsen RedriveVW Powered MKIIIC On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who > sent them. I apologize. > > > > Rick Girard > > > I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my > Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports > for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't > slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before > installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts > will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be > waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded > along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures). > > Ralph B > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000 hours > 23 years flying it > Kolbra 912UL > N20386 > 2 years flying it > 120 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314834#314834 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_ski__723.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_ski__638.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fly_over__460.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/winter_flying_2__739.jpg > >


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    Time: 04:30:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Rick, Can you send me pictures of yours? ces308@ldaco.com . chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314857#314857


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    Time: 05:07:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Ralph, Sorry about that, I'll rename the files so I don't forget. I found a brand new pair of water skis on Craig's List and the owner was an airplane guy who was willing to let them go for $45. After the new rudder and tail wheel, they're next up on the project list. Thanks again, Ralph. Rick On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who > sent them. I apologize. > > > > Rick Girard > > > I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my > Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports > for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't > slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before > installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts > will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be > waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded > along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures). > > Ralph B > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000 hours > 23 years flying it > Kolbra 912UL > N20386 > 2 years flying it > 120 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314834#314834 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_ski__723.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_ski__638.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fly_over__460.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/winter_flying_2__739.jpg > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 05:45:04 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: tail boom question
    after inspecting the pieces of the mark 3 extra kit I just purchased, It looks like the previous owner fitted the rudder and stabilizer on one end. then must of figured something wasn't right and took it off and fitted to the other end. so there are rivet holes it the end of the tube that attaches to the fuse. does any one see a problem with using the tube? any structural issues, not to worried about cosmetics as it looks like all the holes will be inside the cage. some have rivets put back in the holes how far are the holes from the end of the tube.... if they are within 1 inch of the end.... cut it off and drill new holes for the mounting ring to the cage. does he have the hols drilled for the H section???? any extra holes in the area of the H section would be of greater concern to me.... i dont remember drilling any holes in the boom tube till i was ready to rig everything to the cage. hope this helps boyd young mkIII do not archive.


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    Time: 05:52:34 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    Hello all.... I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ?? Thank you in advance !! chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs N327CS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski. boyd young


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    Time: 05:54:58 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    Rick Just a suggestion -- but be SURE your skis can't flip down in flight; you wouldn't like what would happen. And on the ground, just about as bad. In Alaska many pilots put in TWO steel cables (on each ski) to keep the tips from dropping. And try to avoid any sharp edges which can quickly trip the aircraft if any sideways motion occurs. Ever 'catch an edge' when skiing? Same thing. Not pleasant Good luck, should be great fun Russ K On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Ralph, Sorry about that, I'll rename the files so I don't forget. I > found a brand new pair of water skis on Craig's List and the owner > was an airplane guy who was willing to let them go for $45. After > the new rudder and tail wheel, they're next up on the project list. > Thanks again, Ralph. > > Rick > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Ralph B <rstar447@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of > who sent them. I apologize. > > > > Rick Girard > > > I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for > my Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it > Again-Sports for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so > the clamps don't slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer > thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. > Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the > underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis > don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded along the > sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures). > > Ralph B > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000 hours > 23 years flying it > Kolbra 912UL > N20386 > 2 years flying it > 120 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314834#314834 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_ski__723.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_ski__638.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fly_over__460.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/winter_flying_2__739.jpg > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to > be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > >


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    Time: 06:12:10 PM PST US
    From: "Beauford " <beauford173@verizon.net>
    Subject: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    OK guys. been lurking here on this snow ski thingy. watching the lively exchanges of hot info. .can't stand it any more. I give up. What is snow.? Beauford FF 076 Brandon, FL DO NOT ARCHIVE Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS Hello all.... I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ?? Thank you in advance !! chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs N327CS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so than the curve in the ski. boyd young


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    Time: 06:36:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Chris, Be really really careful that your Skis can not twist up or down on its axle in flight, this could cause a rolling moment that may be very difficult or impossible to control. Its great to do mods to our experimental aircraft, but also look at this as a license to kill yourself. Make sure you do a bunch of research before making any significant modification to your plane. Aviation is very unforgiving. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314874#314874


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    Time: 07:10:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS
    From: "Ralph B" <rstar447@gmail.com>
    > Hi Ralph ! > > Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you load the bungie to lift the front of the skis?? > > chris ambrose Chris, the bungee cord must be strong to bring the tip of the ski up if snow weighs it down. The angle must not be too high. I put a standard patio brick underneath the ski tip and adjust the back limit cord so it is tight. These cords or cables are very important as the ski could tip up too far and cause so much drag that it would be hard to keep it in the air. If the ski pointed down on landing, it would dig in and cause the aircraft to flip over. I have flown many years with this setup, but it requires everything to be in place before flight. The long skis are better in deep snow (more surface area to ride on). I have taken off and landed in 3 feet of snow with these. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 23 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 2 years flying it 120 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314877#314877


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    Time: 07:29:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: tail boom question
    From: "awcbs" <awcbsone@windstream.net>
    they are above the H-brace position, but definitely on top of the front of the H-brace. -------- AJ Waldor MK3 Xtra Newbie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314879#314879 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_tube_012_172.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_tube_020_192.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_tube_013_804.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_tube_017_153.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_tube_016_970.jpg


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    Time: 07:35:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: tail boom question
    From: "awcbs" <awcbsone@windstream.net>
    date on camera is wrong, but pic with the H-brace on top is approx. where it will sit inside the boom. the magic marker cross is aproxx. where the H=brace bolts go thru. thanks AJ -------- AJ Waldor MK3 Xtra Newbie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314880#314880


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    Time: 07:41:31 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: tail boom question
    AJ, It looks like they might have been the holes for the forward attachment of the vertical and horizontal stabilizers. Maybe the tail was out of plumb so he swapped ends to try again? Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 10/5/2010 10:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, awcbsone@windstream.net writes: they are above the H-brace position, but definitely on top of the front of the H-brace.


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    Time: 08:04:15 PM PST US
    From: Jon LaVasseur <firestar503@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET
    The attached pictures show a ski cable anchor design that has worked well f or =0Ame.- It attaches at the bottom of the lift strut and cannot move up or down like =0Agear leg clamps may. -It can be left on all year or take n off with the skis.- =0AHope the pictures explain it well enough for any one who is interested.=0A=0AJon L=0AMinnesota=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:46:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET
    From: "ces308" <ces308@ldaco.com>
    Jon, Thanks ! Nice design ! Looks like it will work well ! chris ambrose M3X/Jab N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314888#314888


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    Time: 09:50:23 PM PST US
    From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/10
    > First of all, I make no claims to be an authority Thanks for the response Tom. It was helpful. > that job clearly belongs to several others But.. but.. Tom! I always felt you... oh, never mind. > "I" wouldn't upgrade a 5 rib Firestar with a four stroke. I appreciate your opinion. But I wouldn't be able to judge this thing, I am not a pilot but intend to begin lessons soon. My FS has a 503 DCDI which is 1/3 again the power of the 377. Heavier too of course. I have heard others say that the 503 is too much power for the FS. I fell in love with the FS when I saw one, with the 377, at Brian's Ranch (Mojave desert). It seemed to fly just fine. I don't know anything about T.O. distance or rate of climb. > Homer designed it only with the 377 Rotax in mind, and I would be cautious to add any more weight on top All of our measurements so far indicate that the Generac, w/o reduction, will weigh in at about the same as the 377 (which my notes indicate is 84.5 lbs with exhaust and reduction). > even more afraid of the vibrations that the Generac will create on the entire airframe. I have heard over and over how smooth the Generac is- even smoother than many of the 2-strokes such as the 503 WITH isolation. One feller (on this list?) said that bolted to the airframe with no vibration isolation it is no worse than the 503 (IIRC). > and the plane weighed 325 LBS I think mine is lighter- weighed the airframe and engine separately, mine should come in real close to 280-285. > I guess what I'm saying is to consider a 377 What is your average fuel consumption? > it has done well for me over 500 hours. Any overhauls? Major repairs? I have read horror stories about premature demise of expensive Rotaxes. > I found that the 447 was OK, but did the same thing using more gas, and felt overpowered, and could exceed my VNE of 90 in a blink. What do you suppose my 503 will be like on there? I assume it will climb like crazy. > If you were local, I would let you try it for yourself. Thanks- but I would probably kill myself and all of the bystanders, not being a pilot. Well, actually I have flown Cessnas and Bobcats. In all of this, I am not asserting anything. I invite your comments please. I know almost nothing about all of this and do not pretend otherwise. Thanks GeoB




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