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1. 10:42 AM - engine failure at take off (mark.shimei)
2. 11:09 AM - Re: engine failure at take off (william sullivan)
3. 04:25 PM - Re: engine failure at take off (Dana Hague)
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| Subject: | engine failure at take off |
Got your attention...I guess it got mine too........
This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying
at the time,just me.
Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a
180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to
descend,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude.
Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed out
over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened.
I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died. My first
thought: I do have an extra top end at home.......
By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed
back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below
was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I
did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field.
I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left
toward the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up.
The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed
down enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop.
The church goer was still standing there,mouth open.
NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would
have been nice.
Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that
could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing.
Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for
funny(not so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the
airport for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if
needed.
CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enough
for carb ice.
I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
for at least 3 minutes.
No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on
approaches,except this time.
Have flown 2 hours since,no issues.
Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick
landings. # 25 was the real deal..
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| Subject: | Re: engine failure at take off |
- Lucky!- I don't remember anyone mentioning icing in Florida before.
- Thanks for a very comprehensive report.- What make/size engine?
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------------- Bill Sullivan
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------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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------------- FS 447
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, mark.shimei <mark.shimei@gmail.com> wrote:
This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying
at the time,just me.
Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a
180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to descen
d,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude.
- Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed o
ut over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened.
I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died.--- My firs
t thought: I do have an extra top end at home.......
-By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed
back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below
was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I
did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field.
I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left towa
rd the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up.
The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed do
wn enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop.
The church goer was still standing there,mouth open.
NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would ha
ve been nice.
Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that
could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing.
Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for funny(n
ot so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the airport
for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if needed.
CONCLUSION:- I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enoug
h for carb ice.-
- I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
for at least 3 minutes.
No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on approaches,
except this time.
Have flown 2 hours since,no issues.
Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick landing
s.- # 25 was the real deal..
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| Subject: | Re: engine failure at take off |
At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote:
At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote:
>
>CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
>The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold
>enough for carb ice.
> I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
> for at least 3 minutes.
>
>No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on
>approaches,except this time.
Do you recall the actual temp and dewpoint? What engine and carb?
The funny thing is that it didn't quit until you got to 450', after the
engine had been running at full power again for a little while. Did it
seem to have any less than normal power just before it quit?
Many people say 2-strokes with slide carburetors don't ice up, but they do,
under the right (wrong) circumstances.
-Dana
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