---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/12/10: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:42 AM - engine failure at take off (mark.shimei) 2. 11:09 AM - Re: engine failure at take off (william sullivan) 3. 04:25 PM - Re: engine failure at take off (Dana Hague) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US From: "mark.shimei" Subject: Kolb-List: engine failure at take off Got your attention...I guess it got mine too........ This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying at the time,just me. Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a 180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to descend,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude. Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed out over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened. I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died. My first thought: I do have an extra top end at home....... By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field. I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left toward the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up. The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed down enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop. The church goer was still standing there,mouth open. NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would have been nice. Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing. Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for funny(not so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the airport for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if needed. CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more. The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enough for carb ice. I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off for at least 3 minutes. No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on approaches,except this time. Have flown 2 hours since,no issues. Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick landings. # 25 was the real deal.. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:07 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engine failure at take off - Lucky!- I don't remember anyone mentioning icing in Florida before. - Thanks for a very comprehensive report.- What make/size engine? - ------------------------- ------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------- FS 447 --- On Tue, 10/12/10, mark.shimei wrote: This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying at the time,just me. Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a 180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to descen d,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude. - Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed o ut over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened. I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died.--- My firs t thought: I do have an extra top end at home....... -By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field. I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left towa rd the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up. The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed do wn enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop. The church goer was still standing there,mouth open. NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would ha ve been nice. Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing. Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for funny(n ot so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the airport for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if needed. CONCLUSION:- I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more. The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enoug h for carb ice.- - I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off for at least 3 minutes. No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on approaches, except this time. Have flown 2 hours since,no issues. Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick landing s.- # 25 was the real deal.. - - - ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:18 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engine failure at take off At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote: At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote: > >CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more. >The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold >enough for carb ice. > I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off > for at least 3 minutes. > >No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on >approaches,except this time. Do you recall the actual temp and dewpoint? What engine and carb? The funny thing is that it didn't quit until you got to 450', after the engine had been running at full power again for a little while. Did it seem to have any less than normal power just before it quit? Many people say 2-strokes with slide carburetors don't ice up, but they do, under the right (wrong) circumstances. -Dana -- Celebrate Freedom... read a banned book. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.