---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/15/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:15 AM - Re: Fall colors (willuribe@aol.com) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Fall colors (Dana Hague) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Fall colors (Beauford) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: Another wheel question (racerjerry) 5. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (John Hauck) 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Fall colors (Thom Riddle) 7. 03:13 PM - Re: Another wheel question (Richard Pike) 8. 03:22 PM - Re: Another wheel question (HShack@aol.com) 9. 04:33 PM - Re: Another wheel question (Richard Girard) 10. 06:09 PM - Re: Another wheel question (Sky Biker Richardson) 11. 07:24 PM - wheels/side load (Nelson, Craig) 12. 08:06 PM - Re: Homebuilt airplanes (jerb) 13. 08:35 PM - Re: Homebuilt airplanes (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fall colors From: willuribe@aol.com Hi Thom, Enjoyed watching your video, It was nice to meet up with you last weekend and check out your Slingshot but it is starting to get too cold for me he re in Buffalo so I will be happy to be home tonight. Took this pictures outside my hotel room Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II El Paso, TX but in working in Buffalo and in a week Loadstown, OH. I got a little air time in my Slingshot yesterday after several weeks of not flying and had my new iPhone with me so I attempted a little video. I uplo aded it to YouTube directly from the iPhone... amazing. Below is a link to this short video of fall colors on Buffalo's south side. I was up quite high at about 2,400' msl and the ground here is about 700' so not much detail. As you wi ll note it was mid-day bumpy. I apologize for the format. This is the first iPhone video I've taken and did not know that I could not change it to landscape after taking it in portra it. It is REALLY tall and skinny. Next time, I'll know. Also, to make the upload faster, I restricted it to "medium" resolution which is about 1/3rd the si ze of the high resolution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvXn_wOowAU&feature=player_embedded Thom, the video novice -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315726#315726 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:22 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fall colors At 10:17 PM 10/14/2010, william sullivan wrote: >Dana- Is the grass strip the one you are trying to get into? The paved >one looks like Chester. Also- second part of the clip, where was the >camera mounted? Yes... it's long story but the short of it is that the zoning board, rather than setting a precedent and crafting regulations permitting us to fly there, decided that the existing regulations don't actually prohibit it, so we're OK. The second one is indeed Chester. The camera is clipped to my harness in the first part, and to the bracket supporting the pitot tube in the second part. -Dana do not archive -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:18 AM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Fall colors Brother Hauck: Almost a catastrophe during the filming of this... Lost the 9 year old sacred fuzzy yaw string on downwind... guess the spar in the scotch tape failed... tried to declare an emergency, but the Icom battery was dead... Thought about pulling the BRS, but remembered how much it cost to repack it... pushed on and managed to get the machine back to the airport.. t'was a near thing. Tried to interest Brothers Haggerty and Alexander in organizing a search party to go look for it, but they demonstrated no interest... so much for friends... strung out beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive ------------------------------------------------ George/Beauford/Gang: A great display of airmanship. I like your 173d patch. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question From: "racerjerry" This discussion brings back memories from the 60s when I was in the army. A friend was relating story about when he and his brother built a go kart with an old Briggs engine and wire spoke motorcycle wheels. Said it went great for awhile, but the first time he tried to negotiate a hard corner, things came apart. He opened his shirt to show the scars where spokes penetrated his chest. Seems that most motorcycle wheels are not designed to take side loads. Motorcycles lean into a turn and except for a trike, very little side force is encountered. If you look at front view plans for WWI aircraft, you will see wire spoke wheels with WIDE hubs that better withstand side loading. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315822#315822 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:38 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question > Seems that most motorcycle wheels are not designed to take side loads. > -------- > Jerry King I wouldn't bet my retirement check on the above statement. There are tremendous side loads on any spoke wheel, whether it be auto, motorcycle, mountain bike, or antique airplane. Heck, I put side loads on my wheel chair..... john h - Side loading my walking cane. ;-) mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fall colors From: "Thom Riddle" Will, I enjoyed our short visit last Saturday. Your photo of the fall colors is better than what I could see from the air a couple days ago. They finished the construction in front of my T-hangar so I moved the SS and the Sonex from where you saw them to my T-hangar. I will now be doing maintenance on this Sonex just bought by a friend. It has essentially the same engine as my Slingshot, Jabiru 2200 solid lifter engine. He is now paying half my hangar rent and will let me fly his Sonex for doing the maintenance. Good deal for both of us. Photo of both in my hangar attached. If you Kolbers with Jabiru engines are interested, the Sonex has a Sensenich 54 x 48 prop and turns up almost 3200 rpm static. I've not yet flown the Sonex but expect slow climb and fast cruise, just the opposite of Kolbs. Lucky me to have access to both :-). -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315864#315864 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/sonex_and_slingshot_in_hangar_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > Right off the top of my head, would be one way to get the mkIII in a decent 3 pt stance by raising the nose with tall skinny spoke wheels. > john h > mkIII > Rock House, OR > Decent three point stance? For those of us with short wide wives, the MKIII with it's short wide stance is ideal just like it is. If I raise it any, she'll have to bring along a step stool! Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315897#315897 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:01 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another wheel question I may be wrong, but I think they would not support SIDE loads well. In a message dated 10/14/2010 2:38:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another wheel question From: Richard Girard Perhaps you guys are too young to remember when the mark of a sports car was a set of wire wheels. I know from experience that the wire wheels on the Sunbeam Alpine I drove in high school handled side loads quite nicely. I'm pretty sure the two cars pictured handled side loads just fine, too. Besides that, what are you guys doing with your Kolbs? Drifting? Rick On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:17 PM, wrote: > I may be wrong, but I think they would not support SIDE loads well. > > In a message dated 10/14/2010 2:38:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > > got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of > my Mk III. > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:53 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Another wheel question I don't know about metal spoke wheels but I did use the narrow nylon type 2 6" bike wheels on my Ralley 2 B years ago to land in hay fields and check l ive stock.. THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!! From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Another wheel question >I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we don't have cable=2C satellite or antenna=2C just a DVD collection) >but lo oking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. >Anybody tried this? Have pictures? >Rick Girard Rick=2C It definitely would look different. I can't recall the specific makes=2C but I remember years ago there a couple of ultralights that used spoked wheels. (a Robertson B1RD comes to mind. ???) Would putting spoked wheels on a Kolb really make it look like an aiplane of yester-year? I'm not sure. Here's a candidate I found on eBay. The rear wheels would be the ones th at are spoked=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/Merits-MP-series-wheelchair-wheels-tires-front-and-rear -/150505635187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230ad5bd73 Mike Welch MkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:51 PM PST US From: "Nelson, Craig" Subject: Kolb-List: wheels/side load hi all I built a plane in the mid 80's and used 20 in bicycle wheels. had them custom spoked to a mini bike hub with breaks and larger spokes. flew t he heck out of this plane. it was a wing warp design and I had lots of x wi nd landings uncle craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:33 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homebuilt airplanes Might be both. The thing is supposed to weigh 1763 lbs. Hope they video the first flight or will that be the first plow. Wow! jerb At 08:17 PM 10/14/2010, you wrote: > Was that a plow frame on the front, or a moose guard? > >do not archive > Bill Sullivan > >--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Mike Welch wrote: > >From: Mike Welch >Subject: Kolb-List: Homebuilt airplanes >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 8:04 PM > >Kolb guys, > > With things a little slow, I thought I'd pass on this story I > just read on my latest >online copy of the EAA Newsletter. > > This is one of the headline stories, and I realize it isn't > directly Kolb related, however it >IS about homebuilt airplanes, and a guy that's getting ready for his >"first flight". I doubt this >guy has ANY flight training, but it's just a guess. > > Evidently, he is in the last stages of finishing building his > 'own design'. He did some internet >research and figured that was good enough, I guess. > > Especially note the nosewheel as they roll the plane through the > gate. It might be an indication >of things to follow. As soon as those cinder blocks show up for him >to use as his bench seat, >he's 'good to go'. > >http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-10-13_scratchbuilt.asp > >Mike Welch >MkIII > > >=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > >et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > >llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:12 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Homebuilt airplanes Did you notice what appears to be negative incidence on the main wings? T he ailerons look like they were pounded into shape with a hammer. I really=2C really doubt he has had any flight training=2C either!! I can' t imagine this one is going to end well. Too bad=2C too=2C 'cause he seems like a nice enough guy. Who knows =2C maybe he'll pull it off and fly the thing? Naw! Like Dennis Hopper said in Waterworld=3B "Only two c hances of that happening... no way & no how!!" Mike From: ulflyer@verizon.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homebuilt airplanes Might be both. The thing is supposed to weigh 1763 lbs. Hope they video t he first flight or will that be the first plow. Wow! jerb At 08:17 PM 10/14/2010=2C you wrote: Was that a plow frame on the front=2C or a moose guard? do not archive Bill Sullivan --- On Thu=2C 10/14/10=2C Mike Welch wrote: From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Homebuilt airplanes Kolb guys=2C With things a little slow=2C I thought I'd pass on this story I just read on my latest online copy of the EAA Newsletter. This is one of the headline stories=2C and I realize it isn't directly Ko lb related=2C however it IS about homebuilt airplanes=2C and a guy that's getting ready for his "fir st flight". I doubt this guy has ANY flight training=2C but it's just a guess. Evidently=2C he is in the last stages of finishing building his 'own desi gn'. He did some internet research and figured that was good enough=2C I guess. Especially note the nosewheel as they roll the plane through the gate. I t might be an indication of things to follow. As soon as those cinder blocks show up for him to use as his bench seat=2C he's 'good to go'. http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-10-13_scratchbuilt.asp Mike Welch MkIII =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.