---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/19/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:16 AM - plugs (Ted Cowan) 2. 04:19 AM - Re: New kolber (Thom Riddle) 3. 04:36 AM - Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (Thom Riddle) 4. 04:43 AM - Re: New Video..... (Thom Riddle) 5. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: New Video..... (zeprep251@aol.com) 6. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: New Video..... (zeprep251@aol.com) 7. 06:45 AM - Re: New Video..... (Thom Riddle) 8. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (Kolb Aircraft) 9. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (Kolb Aircraft) 10. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (Kolb Aircraft) 11. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: New Video..... (John Hauck) 12. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (b young) 13. 08:35 AM - Re: New Kolber (Arksey@aol.com) 14. 09:22 AM - Re: New Kolber (Jack B. Hart) 15. 12:14 PM - Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? (gotime242) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:59 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: plugs dont recall what type of plugs they were now. I usually buy AC now. I just rebuilt a 440 and went to start it up and I guess I gas fowled them and they never dried up. Bad when you are starting a new built engine of any type. You dont know for sure what is wrong and dont suspect ALL the plugs went bad. I have had a bunch of the big electrodies go bad on me until I changed to V types, etc. I have had three bad plugs on my 912 so far in two changes. That hurts at the price and you cant send them back. Got over three hundred hours on the 912 and still purrs. Just still has that damned rum rum. Hope to be at Evergreen this weekend. Just got back from Bimini diving, been home for a week and ready to get away again -- this time by air. Ted Cowan, Slingshot, 912ul, zoom, zoom. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New kolber From: "Thom Riddle" If the Kolb you are going to learn to fly in, has the standard low-stance landing gear, you will find it to be just about the easiest tail-dragger around in terms of handling during take-off and landing. If it has longer/taller gear legs, then its behavior tends to be more like other tail-draggers, but still not difficult if you are careful and the toe-in is set correctly. I've owned two early Firestars, one with standard gear legs and one with long legs. Big difference in high speed ground handling encountered during take-off and landings. Once slowed down to taxi speed, no difference between the two and easy in light wind conditions. If it is windy, just follow the tail-dragger taxi rules until it is parked and secured. As BB noted, grass is much easier. If you learn on grass, when you go to pavement expect a little more twitchy behavior, but still not difficult. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316300#316300 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? From: "Thom Riddle" gotime242, If you are willing to pay the going rate, an A&P would be more inclined to make the time. We charge $400 for a condition inspection on simple experimental aircraft and it generally takes a full day to complete. Most A&Ps in our area won't touch an experimental at any price. BB is an exception to the rule, but he really likes his beer, so that probably explains it. Actually, BB is an exception to most rules :-). I mean that as a compliment, Bob. http://sites.google.com/site/riddletr/a&pmechanix -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316302#316302 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... From: "Thom Riddle" Gary, You didn't ask me, but I figured you might want to hear from other Jab owners too. My Jab stays pretty much under 1200F EGT most of the time in cruise. I do not have the economy tuning kit installed so under full power the EGTs regularly go above 1200F and sometimes as high as 1300F. I have a second Bing 94 carb with the economy tuning kit installed (newer carb) but have not bothered to try it out yet. If it ain't broke don't break it. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316303#316303 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... From: zeprep251@aol.com Chris, You must have solved the noise problem pretty well,the only draw back of the Jabiru in pusher mode.The inquiry about the temps was because of the low indications in the video.Mine run 1400-1425 with the factory install economy jetting.But my C model is slower by 10-15 mph than yours as well. At 2750 it burns less than 3 gph but only gives me about 70-75mph.Nice vid eo by the way G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 595hrs -----Original Message----- From: ces308 Sent: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:33 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... Gary, Yes...pretty much so...I will keep a closer watch and report..but usually what you see is what you get....not sure why more people don't go with the Jab ... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 151.6 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316273#316273 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... From: zeprep251@aol.com Tom, Don't think I noticed the egt's on any of your pictures,but can't mistake the sound of the Jabiru.Have flown over the Niagara Falls area frequently heading up to Rice lake.It's been a few years so really enjoyed the Video s you posted.The noise level isn't bad in the videos.The aerodynamics of that airframe must be a lot cleaner than the Mk-3. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle Sent: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 7:41 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... Gary, You didn't ask me, but I figured you might want to hear from other Jab own ers too. My Jab stays pretty much under 1200F EGT most of the time in cruise. I do not have the economy tuning kit installed so under full power the EGTs reg ularly go above 1200F and sometimes as high as 1300F. I have a second Bing 94 car b with the economy tuning kit installed (newer carb) but have not bothered to try it out yet. If it ain't broke don't break it. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316303#316303 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... From: "Thom Riddle" Gary, At 2700 rpm, the noise is not bad but starts getting a lot worse above 2800 rpm. The 64" diameter prop is a lot noiser than the shorter props at the same rpm. If I remember correctly, you and Chris both run 58" props on your Jabirus. I'm looking forward to flying a friend's Jab 2200 powered Sonex soon which has a 54" diameter prop. I expect that to be a lot quieter. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316314#316314 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:47 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? JACK KRIPS 7756 WAUNATTA CT WINTER PARK, FL 32792 KOLB MIII XTRA 407 657 2173 http://full-lotus.com/forum/download/file.php?id=11&sid=04c411d251e19778a8860a0bfe0dc912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? > > gotime242, > > If you are willing to pay the going rate, an A&P would be more inclined to > make the time. We charge $400 for a condition inspection on simple > experimental aircraft and it generally takes a full day to complete. Most > A&Ps in our area won't touch an experimental at any price. > > BB is an exception to the rule, but he really likes his beer, so that > probably explains it. Actually, BB is an exception to most rules :-). I > mean that as a compliment, Bob. > > http://sites.google.com/site/riddletr/a&pmechanix > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.? > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316302#316302 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:18 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? http://full-lotus.com/forum/download/file.php?id=10&sid=04c411d251e19778a8860a0bfe0dc912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? > > gotime242, > > If you are willing to pay the going rate, an A&P would be more inclined to > make the time. We charge $400 for a condition inspection on simple > experimental aircraft and it generally takes a full day to complete. Most > A&Ps in our area won't touch an experimental at any price. > > BB is an exception to the rule, but he really likes his beer, so that > probably explains it. Actually, BB is an exception to most rules :-). I > mean that as a compliment, Bob. > > http://sites.google.com/site/riddletr/a&pmechanix > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.? > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316302#316302 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:58 AM PST US From: "Kolb Aircraft" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? http://full-lotus.com/forum/download/file.php?id=9&sid=04c411d251e19778a8860a0bfe0dc912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? > > gotime242, > > If you are willing to pay the going rate, an A&P would be more inclined to > make the time. We charge $400 for a condition inspection on simple > experimental aircraft and it generally takes a full day to complete. Most > A&Ps in our area won't touch an experimental at any price. > > BB is an exception to the rule, but he really likes his beer, so that > probably explains it. Actually, BB is an exception to most rules :-). I > mean that as a compliment, Bob. > > http://sites.google.com/site/riddletr/a&pmechanix > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.? > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316302#316302 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:42 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Video..... I'm looking forward to flying a friend's Jab 2200 powered Sonex soon which has a 54" diameter prop. I expect that to be a lot quieter. > > -------- > Thom Riddle Tractors are always much quieter than pushers. The tractor configured Kolb Flyer with Warp Drive taper tips was almost stealth mode. Same engine/prop on a MKIII would blow you away. john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:39 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? Im having a heck of a time getting the A/P i know to find the time to come do a quick Condition Inspection on my Kolb. Anyone know of anyone around the West Palm Beach area? I was gona give him 150 bucks to look over my work, and i have a 2 page Kolb condition inspection checklist. Any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. How does your check list compare to the faa check list part 43 apendix D Boyd ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:26 AM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: RE: New Kolber Hey guys.. I am seriously looking at a firefly ( A famous one I might ad) and have some questions.. I want to go about this the right way.. Here is my experience.. 10 logged hrs. solo at 7.5 hrs in a c172.. And 30-40 hrs in quicksilver sport 1 and sport 2..Recently put 1 hour in a citabria. Hi Chad, we have a MK lll here in michigan, I would be glad to give you a demo ride....before it gets winter...but sounds like we are quite a distance from you.....I also fly a firestar, have never flown a Firefly but can tell you how the Mk lll and firestar fly.....The Firefly should make a good airplane for you, would suggest following lst time flight suggestions for expermentals. Would be nice if you could use a long grass strip, check static RPM prior to flying to make sure prop pitch set correctly, once i got into the air I would go up to safe altitude and do power off and partial power stall to find indicated stall speed, i would then do slow flight about 5 to 10 miles per hour above indicated stall speed.....maintain altitude with correct power setting and maintain speed at 5 to 10 over stall speed....also maintain the same speed and slowly practice descents and climbs by increase or decrease of power.....use no less that 10 mph above stall speed on approach and use power to increase or decrease descent, when just above the ground use some power to stop descent then slowly reduce power and let the plane descend to the runway, as soon as you touch the ground you can get off the power ....and as the plane slows downs you can then come back on the stick.....I get much better landings using this method. try and pick a time when the wind is very light and right down the runway.....just remember always fly the airplane and never let it get below stall speed. spending time taxing and just setting in the airplane getting used to the instruments and controls is also very helpful...good luck & fly safe....feel free to call me if you wish.....Jim Swan Do not archive FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825 ph. 517-663-8488 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:05 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: New Kolber Hey guys.. I am seriously looking at a firefly ( A famous one I might ad) and have some questions.. I want to go about this the right way.. Here is my experience.. 10 logged hrs. solo at 7.5 hrs in a c172.. And 30-40 hrs in quicksilver sport 1 and sport 2..Recently put 1 hour in a citabria. Chad, I had several hours in various ga and glider aircraft, but never finished a ticket. I test flew my FireFly. You might like to read "flying techniques" found at/on: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html I have always flown from a hard surface runway. My experience with the FireFly and grass have shown me to be very conservative with throttle on take off to prevent blowing the FireFly over on it's nose as rolling resistance is much greater on grass. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? From: "gotime242" by0ung(at)brigham.net wrote: > > > How does your check list compare to the faa check list part 43 apendix D > > Boyd It is only a supplement to apendix D. 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