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1. 01:41 AM - Re: crash (Pat Ladd)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: crash ()
3. 04:07 AM - Re: crash (Pat Ladd)
4. 05:16 AM - why we fly low and slow (Thom Riddle)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (John Hauck)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (robert bean)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (John Hauck)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: crash (Herb)
9. 07:03 AM - Re: crash (Herb)
10. 07:23 AM - Re: crash (Herb)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (b young)
12. 07:41 AM - Re: crash (william sullivan)
13. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: crash (Herb)
14. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Mike Welch)
15. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Jack B. Hart)
16. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Jack B. Hart)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (John Hauck)
18. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (John Hauck)
19. 12:18 PM - Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale (Jason Omelchuck)
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came across it accidentally tonight, sure
looks like a Kolb...>>
Good grief!
I thought our local paper reporting was of a pretty low standard but this is
apalling.
`The pilot ``PROBABLYhad broken bones" Probably? I thought that reporters
wer supposed to find out things like that.
He "LAUNCHED his plane?. What does he have, a catapult?
"There was "NO FIRE" Wow! There was no explosion either. I wonder they
didn`t work that in?
"THE STUDENTS WERE IN NO DANGER" Our press always work that in. Usually it
is `If the plane had carried on for only 3 miles it might have crashed
close to a school, where if the students had not been on holiday many
children may have been in danger`
Wouldn`t it be nice if reporters worried about getting the story right
and.actually knew something about about the subject.
Pat
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No Pat you have it wrong There is no sensationalism in that ,you must make
it read so the naughty ultra light is at fault . It is only by the grace of
regulation that a disaster was averted . Now it will keep 20 investigators
employed for months to work out that there was a engine problem and the
pilot was the instigator of the problem. That makes perfect sense because
with out the pilot the airplane would have stayed in the hanger and there
would have been no incident to report
Just think how many people we keep employed trying to work out the whys. And
Pat I am pretty sure it was you english men { Known as POME on this side of
the world}that started this. Sorry no dis respect ment but thats the world
we live in today .
Regards
Downunder
MK111c
Ps will be over your way about August next year
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I am pretty sure it was you english men { Known as POME on this side of
the world}that started this. >>
Hi from Pongolia, to you out there in the Great Cultural Desert,
Nah! that disease may have been inflicted on Oz by the original `whinging
Poms` that were mainly Union hardliners who left England when Thatcher
dropped the boom on them in the UK
We have outgrown them here. At least I like to think so. If we haven`t the
plans announced by the new Coalition governmet yesterday will thin `em out.
Where are you? I have been to Sinny a few times and done a flying tour to
Broken Hill, Cooper Pedy, Ayers rock, Alice. Also a trip from Adelaide up
the Murray and a drive along the Southern coastal road to Melbourne. Been up
in the Rain Forest at Karanga. All this on my way to NZ which suits my age
group better than Oz.
When are you coming to UK? Better take this off list.
pj.ladd@btinternet.com.uk
Pat
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| Subject: | why we fly low and slow |
This link was sent to me by a pilot friend who is not a low and slow flyer, but
maybe he is re-thinking that now.
Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great illustration
of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it.
http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: why we fly low and slow |
> Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great
> illustration of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it.
>
> http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html
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> Thom Riddle
Gang:
Miss P'fer, N101AB, and I have enjoyed flying over and landing at many of
the locations in the many photos. We landed on the dry lake, pictured early
on in the photos, about 30 miles west of Lordsburg, NM, north and adjacent
to the Interstate 10, June 1994, on the way to Alaska the first time.
The photo of the grass strip, Lee Bottom Airport, Indiana, was my first fuel
stop on my second flight to Alaska, June 2000.
Kankakee Airport, Indiana, was another grass strip where Miss P'fer and I
spent the night sleeping on the sod next to the airstrip on our way to
Oshkosh one year.
Over the years, many seem to get lost and forgotten in my memory. Wish I
knew how many airports my little Kolb has landed, and the off airport
landings she has made. ;-)
I enjoyed seeing many places Miss P'fer has taken me over the last 18 years.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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| Subject: | Re: why we fly low and slow |
beautiful. I bet their butts were aching after 32 days.
On 21, Oct 2010, at 8:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
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> This link was sent to me by a pilot friend who is not a low and slow flyer, but
maybe he is re-thinking that now.
>
> Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great illustration
of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it.
>
> http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
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> Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316564#316564
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| Subject: | Re: why we fly low and slow |
> beautiful. I bet their butts were aching after 32 days.
Bob B/Gang:
Temper foam!!!
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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I have his name as Keith VanHouser...New Market,Tenn... at least the
address in the story is the same...
I called him from time to time to see how his half Vw engine was
working out on the Firefly... He was quite happy with the
performance..for he had gone to a 45 horse super stroker..
Surely wish him a speedy recovery..and hope his injuries are not
life threatening...
An early version of his half vw engine was on display at the
homecoming one year, mounted on a friends Firestar ...Homer looked
the installation , observed the engine running...His comment was
that the engine vibrated a a lot..:-) .Herb
At 09:06 PM 10/20/2010, you wrote:
>
>Didn't see this on the list... came across it accidentally tonight,
>sure looks like a Kolb...
>
><http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/oct/11/man-injured-jefferson-ultra-light-crash/>
>
>-Dana
>--
> Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why
> don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
> it any more.
>
>
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Me too Pat...
I have been critical of US papers ever since I looked at your on
line tabloid/News Paper called ' The Sun". We need titillating
pictures like that to improve circullation...Improves my circullation
anyhow!!! :-) Herb
At 11:41 AM 10/21/2010, you wrote:
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>came across it accidentally tonight, sure
>looks like a Kolb...>>
>
>Good grief!
>
>I thought our local paper reporting was of a pretty low standard but
>this is apalling.
>
>`The pilot ``PROBABLYhad broken bones" Probably? I thought that
>reporters wer supposed to find out things like that.
>
>He "LAUNCHED his plane?. What does he have, a catapult?
>
>"There was "NO FIRE" Wow! There was no explosion either. I wonder
>they didn`t work that in?
>
>"THE STUDENTS WERE IN NO DANGER" Our press always work that in.
>Usually it is `If the plane had carried on for only 3 miles it
>might have crashed close to a school, where if the students had not
>been on holiday many children may have been in danger`
>
>Wouldn`t it be nice if reporters worried about getting the story
>right and.actually knew something about about the subject.
>
>Pat
>.
>
>
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Just talked to Keith Van Houser.. His accident happened on
Monday... and he is back home nursing a broken leg... as feisty as
ever...:-)
He has dual Mukuni's on his half vw... he doesn't think that it
was ice. Herb
At 09:06 PM 10/20/2010, you wrote:
>
>Didn't see this on the list... came across it accidentally tonight,
>sure looks like a Kolb...
>
><http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/oct/11/man-injured-jefferson-ultra-light-crash/>
>
>-Dana
>--
> Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why
> don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
> it any more.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
What is the correct toe in and will that be with the tail wheel on the
ground or elevated a bit? Ready to install my brakes with the new style
axle to leg attachments on my Firestar KX. I am thinking no toe with tail
on the ground and when the tail comes up there will be some? Any tips would
be great.
Thanks The existing tires appear to be toe out until the tail comes up then
they appear straight. It seems to handle fine on the blacktop and grass.
Dennis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
The instruction manual for my mark III says " the wheels should be
aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane. If
you must err, err on the side of having the wheels toe out a bit. Do not
have any "toe-in""
I know that there has been conversation on the list that toe in is better,,
toe out is better,, straight is better...
Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,, but the above statement is from
the kolb instruction manual. Take it for what it is worth. My mkIII works
well on pavement.
Boyd young mkIII
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- Herb- The report indicated the plane snagged on a fence.- Do you have
other info?- Give him our best wishes for a speedy recovery and a fast r
epair on the plane.
-
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------------------ Bill Sullivan
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Bill
He was in a hurry when we talked this morning...out to find a
motorized wheel chair so he can keep on keeping on...He likes to stay
busy...:-)
so...have no new details.. Will chat with him later on...Herb
At 09:37 AM 10/21/2010, you wrote:
> Herb- The report indicated the plane snagged on a fence. Do you
> have other info? Give him our best wishes for a speedy recovery
> and a fast repair on the plane.
>
> Bill Sullivan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
> What is the correct toe in
> The instruction manual for my mark III says " the wheels should be
> aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane. If
> you must err=2C err on the side of having the wheels toe out
> Boyd young mkIII
Boyd=2C Dennis=2C group=2C
I recall (clearly) the last time this subject came up. I had set my own
"toe setting"
within a few days of the previous discussion. I set my newly-built steel g
ear legs to
have slight toe out. This is what the Kolb manual said=2C so that's what I
did.
I read somewhere a long time ago that a taildragger airplane should have
slight toe-out.
The thinking is that if one wing is raised=2C the remaining rolling tire wi
ll try to drive AWAY from the
raised wing=2C causing it to lower. In the fast and furious events of a ra
ised wing landing=2C
whether this really makes a difference=2C I don't have any idea. But that'
s the theory.
I also remember John H said he had slight toe-in=2C and Kolbs like a litt
le toe-in. If that
is true that Kolbs like a little toe-in=3B
A) he'd probably know=2C more than anyone else
OR
B) a little toe-out=2C a little toe-in=2C or straight may not make any noti
cable difference
whatsoever.
I think the latter may be the truth of the matter. Go with a straight to
e setting=2C
and you won't know the difference.
From my math calculations=2C I came up with a 2 degree toe-out for each t
ire=2C on my plane.
I think if I were doing it again=2C I think I would set them straight and n
ot think about them again.
To look at them=2C they appear to be straight.
If I remember correctly=2C measured at the front of the tire=2C if straig
ht were zero=2C toe-in would be
about an 1/8th"=2C and toe-out is about an 1/8th".
I'd go with the Kolb recommended setting....set them straight=2C but if y
ou are going to err=2C
don't err=2C just set them straight!!!
Mike Welch
MkIII=2C getting closer all the time
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
> What is the correct toe in
Boyd,
You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading
too. I
had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly was
wild in any cross wind condition. Then I adjusted camber and set it with
the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat. No move
problems. Very docile during cross wind conditions. How it was done can be
seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html
and:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
> What is the correct toe in
Boyd,
You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading
too. I had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly
was wild in any cross wind condition. Then I adjusted camber and set it with
the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat. No more problems.
Very docile during cross wind conditions. How it was done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html
and:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
> Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,, but the above statement is from
> the kolb instruction manual. Take it for what it is worth. My mkIII
> works
> well on pavement.
>
> Boyd young mkIII
Boyd Y/Gang:
My mkIII also performs well on pavement with 800X6 Air Tracs. I set mine up
neutral, but there must be a tad of toe in because the gear will spread when
pushed backwards.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
Mike W/Gang:
Based on the type of landing gear legs on Kolb Aircraft, toe out will
cause the main gear to spread, especially on pavement, if they are toed
out. This will cause increased drag and slow take offs, plus accelerate
wear on the tires. On grass, the Kolb probably could care less which
way the wheels point.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
I'd go with the Kolb recommended setting....set them straight, but
if you are going to err,
don't err, just set them straight!!!
Mike Welch
MkIII, getting closer all the time
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| Subject: | Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale |
Bump for this thread. The Kolb is still for sale. Attached is a fun video taken
from my new ride.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM3vQ0OpJxY
Jason
MKIII
Portland, OR
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