---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/21/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:41 AM - Re: crash (Pat Ladd) 2. 02:12 AM - Re: crash () 3. 04:07 AM - Re: crash (Pat Ladd) 4. 05:16 AM - why we fly low and slow (Thom Riddle) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (John Hauck) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (robert bean) 7. 06:57 AM - Re: why we fly low and slow (John Hauck) 8. 06:58 AM - Re: crash (Herb) 9. 07:03 AM - Re: crash (Herb) 10. 07:23 AM - Re: crash (Herb) 11. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (b young) 12. 07:41 AM - Re: crash (william sullivan) 13. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: crash (Herb) 14. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Mike Welch) 15. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Jack B. Hart) 16. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (Jack B. Hart) 17. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (John Hauck) 18. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Another wheel question (John Hauck) 19. 12:18 PM - Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale (Jason Omelchuck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:37 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash came across it accidentally tonight, sure looks like a Kolb...>> Good grief! I thought our local paper reporting was of a pretty low standard but this is apalling. `The pilot ``PROBABLYhad broken bones" Probably? I thought that reporters wer supposed to find out things like that. He "LAUNCHED his plane?. What does he have, a catapult? "There was "NO FIRE" Wow! There was no explosion either. I wonder they didn`t work that in? "THE STUDENTS WERE IN NO DANGER" Our press always work that in. Usually it is `If the plane had carried on for only 3 miles it might have crashed close to a school, where if the students had not been on holiday many children may have been in danger` Wouldn`t it be nice if reporters worried about getting the story right and.actually knew something about about the subject. Pat .. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash No Pat you have it wrong There is no sensationalism in that ,you must make it read so the naughty ultra light is at fault . It is only by the grace of regulation that a disaster was averted . Now it will keep 20 investigators employed for months to work out that there was a engine problem and the pilot was the instigator of the problem. That makes perfect sense because with out the pilot the airplane would have stayed in the hanger and there would have been no incident to report Just think how many people we keep employed trying to work out the whys. And Pat I am pretty sure it was you english men { Known as POME on this side of the world}that started this. Sorry no dis respect ment but thats the world we live in today . Regards Downunder MK111c Ps will be over your way about August next year ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:17 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash I am pretty sure it was you english men { Known as POME on this side of the world}that started this. >> Hi from Pongolia, to you out there in the Great Cultural Desert, Nah! that disease may have been inflicted on Oz by the original `whinging Poms` that were mainly Union hardliners who left England when Thatcher dropped the boom on them in the UK We have outgrown them here. At least I like to think so. If we haven`t the plans announced by the new Coalition governmet yesterday will thin `em out. Where are you? I have been to Sinny a few times and done a flying tour to Broken Hill, Cooper Pedy, Ayers rock, Alice. Also a trip from Adelaide up the Murray and a drive along the Southern coastal road to Melbourne. Been up in the Rain Forest at Karanga. All this on my way to NZ which suits my age group better than Oz. When are you coming to UK? Better take this off list. pj.ladd@btinternet.com.uk Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: why we fly low and slow From: "Thom Riddle" This link was sent to me by a pilot friend who is not a low and slow flyer, but maybe he is re-thinking that now. Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great illustration of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it. http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316564#316564 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why we fly low and slow > Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great > illustration of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it. > > http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html > > -------- > Thom Riddle Gang: Miss P'fer, N101AB, and I have enjoyed flying over and landing at many of the locations in the many photos. We landed on the dry lake, pictured early on in the photos, about 30 miles west of Lordsburg, NM, north and adjacent to the Interstate 10, June 1994, on the way to Alaska the first time. The photo of the grass strip, Lee Bottom Airport, Indiana, was my first fuel stop on my second flight to Alaska, June 2000. Kankakee Airport, Indiana, was another grass strip where Miss P'fer and I spent the night sleeping on the sod next to the airstrip on our way to Oshkosh one year. Over the years, many seem to get lost and forgotten in my memory. Wish I knew how many airports my little Kolb has landed, and the off airport landings she has made. ;-) I enjoyed seeing many places Miss P'fer has taken me over the last 18 years. john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why we fly low and slow From: robert bean beautiful. I bet their butts were aching after 32 days. On 21, Oct 2010, at 8:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > This link was sent to me by a pilot friend who is not a low and slow flyer, but maybe he is re-thinking that now. > > Though this series of fight photos was not taken from a Kolb it is a great illustration of why we do what we do. I promise you will enjoy it. > > http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316564#316564 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:59 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why we fly low and slow > beautiful. I bet their butts were aching after 32 days. Bob B/Gang: Temper foam!!! john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:13 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash I have his name as Keith VanHouser...New Market,Tenn... at least the address in the story is the same... I called him from time to time to see how his half Vw engine was working out on the Firefly... He was quite happy with the performance..for he had gone to a 45 horse super stroker.. Surely wish him a speedy recovery..and hope his injuries are not life threatening... An early version of his half vw engine was on display at the homecoming one year, mounted on a friends Firestar ...Homer looked the installation , observed the engine running...His comment was that the engine vibrated a a lot..:-) .Herb At 09:06 PM 10/20/2010, you wrote: > >Didn't see this on the list... came across it accidentally tonight, >sure looks like a Kolb... > > > >-Dana >-- > Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why > don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use > it any more. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:34 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash Me too Pat... I have been critical of US papers ever since I looked at your on line tabloid/News Paper called ' The Sun". We need titillating pictures like that to improve circullation...Improves my circullation anyhow!!! :-) Herb At 11:41 AM 10/21/2010, you wrote: > >came across it accidentally tonight, sure >looks like a Kolb...>> > >Good grief! > >I thought our local paper reporting was of a pretty low standard but >this is apalling. > >`The pilot ``PROBABLYhad broken bones" Probably? I thought that >reporters wer supposed to find out things like that. > >He "LAUNCHED his plane?. What does he have, a catapult? > >"There was "NO FIRE" Wow! There was no explosion either. I wonder >they didn`t work that in? > >"THE STUDENTS WERE IN NO DANGER" Our press always work that in. >Usually it is `If the plane had carried on for only 3 miles it >might have crashed close to a school, where if the students had not >been on holiday many children may have been in danger` > >Wouldn`t it be nice if reporters worried about getting the story >right and.actually knew something about about the subject. > >Pat >. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:55 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash Just talked to Keith Van Houser.. His accident happened on Monday... and he is back home nursing a broken leg... as feisty as ever...:-) He has dual Mukuni's on his half vw... he doesn't think that it was ice. Herb At 09:06 PM 10/20/2010, you wrote: > >Didn't see this on the list... came across it accidentally tonight, >sure looks like a Kolb... > > > >-Dana >-- > Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why > don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use > it any more. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:17 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question What is the correct toe in and will that be with the tail wheel on the ground or elevated a bit? Ready to install my brakes with the new style axle to leg attachments on my Firestar KX. I am thinking no toe with tail on the ground and when the tail comes up there will be some? Any tips would be great. Thanks The existing tires appear to be toe out until the tail comes up then they appear straight. It seems to handle fine on the blacktop and grass. Dennis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. The instruction manual for my mark III says " the wheels should be aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane. If you must err, err on the side of having the wheels toe out a bit. Do not have any "toe-in"" I know that there has been conversation on the list that toe in is better,, toe out is better,, straight is better... Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,, but the above statement is from the kolb instruction manual. Take it for what it is worth. My mkIII works well on pavement. Boyd young mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:52 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: crash - Herb- The report indicated the plane snagged on a fence.- Do you have other info?- Give him our best wishes for a speedy recovery and a fast r epair on the plane. - ------------------------- ------------------ Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:16 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: crash Bill He was in a hurry when we talked this morning...out to find a motorized wheel chair so he can keep on keeping on...He likes to stay busy...:-) so...have no new details.. Will chat with him later on...Herb At 09:37 AM 10/21/2010, you wrote: > Herb- The report indicated the plane snagged on a fence. Do you > have other info? Give him our best wishes for a speedy recovery > and a fast repair on the plane. > > Bill Sullivan > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:50 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question > What is the correct toe in > The instruction manual for my mark III says " the wheels should be > aligned as shown: Parallel with the centerline axis of the airplane. If > you must err=2C err on the side of having the wheels toe out > Boyd young mkIII Boyd=2C Dennis=2C group=2C I recall (clearly) the last time this subject came up. I had set my own "toe setting" within a few days of the previous discussion. I set my newly-built steel g ear legs to have slight toe out. This is what the Kolb manual said=2C so that's what I did. I read somewhere a long time ago that a taildragger airplane should have slight toe-out. The thinking is that if one wing is raised=2C the remaining rolling tire wi ll try to drive AWAY from the raised wing=2C causing it to lower. In the fast and furious events of a ra ised wing landing=2C whether this really makes a difference=2C I don't have any idea. But that' s the theory. I also remember John H said he had slight toe-in=2C and Kolbs like a litt le toe-in. If that is true that Kolbs like a little toe-in=3B A) he'd probably know=2C more than anyone else OR B) a little toe-out=2C a little toe-in=2C or straight may not make any noti cable difference whatsoever. I think the latter may be the truth of the matter. Go with a straight to e setting=2C and you won't know the difference. From my math calculations=2C I came up with a 2 degree toe-out for each t ire=2C on my plane. I think if I were doing it again=2C I think I would set them straight and n ot think about them again. To look at them=2C they appear to be straight. If I remember correctly=2C measured at the front of the tire=2C if straig ht were zero=2C toe-in would be about an 1/8th"=2C and toe-out is about an 1/8th". I'd go with the Kolb recommended setting....set them straight=2C but if y ou are going to err=2C don't err=2C just set them straight!!! Mike Welch MkIII=2C getting closer all the time ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:06 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question > What is the correct toe in Boyd, You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading too. I had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly was wild in any cross wind condition. Then I adjusted camber and set it with the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat. No move problems. Very docile during cross wind conditions. How it was done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html and: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:12 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question > What is the correct toe in Boyd, You cannot talk about toe in with out addressing camber and aircraft5 loading too. I had zero toe in and trying to taxi on hard surface runway, the FireFly was wild in any cross wind condition. Then I adjusted camber and set it with the gear settled with 200 pounds of bagged sand in the seat. No more problems. Very docile during cross wind conditions. How it was done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly126.html and: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly127.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:12 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question > Which is the best maybe I don't know,,,, but the above statement is from > the kolb instruction manual. Take it for what it is worth. My mkIII > works > well on pavement. > > Boyd young mkIII Boyd Y/Gang: My mkIII also performs well on pavement with 800X6 Air Tracs. I set mine up neutral, but there must be a tad of toe in because the gear will spread when pushed backwards. john h mkIII Rock House, OR ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Another wheel question Mike W/Gang: Based on the type of landing gear legs on Kolb Aircraft, toe out will cause the main gear to spread, especially on pavement, if they are toed out. This will cause increased drag and slow take offs, plus accelerate wear on the tires. On grass, the Kolb probably could care less which way the wheels point. john h mkIII Rock House, OR I'd go with the Kolb recommended setting....set them straight, but if you are going to err, don't err, just set them straight!!! Mike Welch MkIII, getting closer all the time ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale From: "Jason Omelchuck" Bump for this thread. The Kolb is still for sale. Attached is a fun video taken from my new ride. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM3vQ0OpJxY Jason MKIII Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316601#316601 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.