---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/24/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - SPOT Working (henry.voris) 2. 12:59 PM - Re: Another video.. (ces308) 3. 02:52 PM - Re: Another video.. (Thom Riddle) 4. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Another video.. (Mike Welch) 5. 03:49 PM - Re: Another video.. (Thom Riddle) 6. 04:25 PM - Re: Another video.. (ces308) 7. 04:34 PM - Re: Another video (robert bean) 8. 04:43 PM - Re: Another video.. (ces308) 9. 04:47 PM - Re: Another video (ces308) 10. 04:59 PM - Re: Another video.. (Thom Riddle) 11. 08:11 PM - Re: Another video.. (Richard Pike) 12. 09:46 PM - Re: SPOT Working (Roger Lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: SPOT Working From: "henry.voris" 22oct10 Tuxtla Gutierrez, Mexico Fellow Kolbsters, There has been some discussion on the value of using the SPOT tracking system... Although this was not a Kolb incident someone on the list may find it of use. I'll be brief... Today was the first day of La Carrerra Panamerica (Google it... The Porche Carrera and Ferrari Mexico are named for this seven day road race.). I am on the pit crew for a 53 Lincoln. Upon reaching our noon check point we received word that our car had left the road in the mountains. Our drivers are equipped with the SPOT so we called our HQ in California, they called SPOT and a got Longitude and Latitude for the car. I pumped that data into the GPS and although it took more than an hour to drive to the point, it took us it right to them. The car was barely visible from the road and it is questionable that we would have found it without the SPOT, GPS combination. Fortunately at the time of the crash the emergency helicopter was overhead. So by the time we reached the wreck they had cut our driver out of the car and evacuated him to the hospital in Tuxtla (unconscious with a broken leg, bruised and cut). I have included Before and After photos... Worth what you paid for it... and I hope your mileage will differ... Aloha -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316858#316858 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/panamerica_485.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wreck_551.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "ces308" Thom, The engine is level with the factory engine mount....hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words...let me know if there is anything else I can help you with,.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316879#316879 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1227_995.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1226_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1225_605.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1224_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "Thom Riddle" Chris, Thanks for the photos which shows the engine with its thrust line parallel to the ground. It is apparent from the photos that if you extend the centerline of the engine forward and the bottom of the wing forward that these two would intersect. I'm looking for this angle between them. On my SS, this angle DIVERGES instead of coming together and there is lies the problem, I believe. I'd like to get it close to right on the first attempt to adjust this angle. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316888#316888 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:57 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. > On my SS=2C this angle DIVERGES instead of coming together > -------- > Thom Riddle Thom=2C As an interested reader to your description=2C I can't picture that your wing's incidence and the engine's thrustline diverge. This just seems very difficult to comprehend. Can you share a picture (similar to what Chris did)? I am interested in knowing more about this subject. Thanks=2C Mike Welch MkIIICX ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "Thom Riddle" Mike, The only photo I have of the SS directly from the side is a relatively low res photo, which I've attached. It does not show very well but here is the measured data. With the airplane sitting in 3-point stance.... Tail Boom = 5 degrees (front higher) Horizontal Stabilizer = 5 deg. (front higher) parallel to boom Wing Bottom = 12 degrees Engine Thrust Line = 15.5 degrees Therefore, relative to the Horizontal Stabilizer.... Wing Bottom has a 7 degrees incidence (12 - 5) Engine Thrust line has 10.5 degrees incidence (15.5 -5) The engine thrust line points higher (in front) than the wing bottom by 3.5 degrees! -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316893#316893 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/leftsidecropped_204.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "ces308" Thom, I see what you mean ...your thrust line and wing incidence are about parallel if you draw a line down the center of the crank and the bottom of the wing... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316895#316895 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:14 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: re: Another video this might show the angle: note I carry my own windsock attached to the top of what Thom calls my "refrigerator" BB DSCN2013.JPG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "ces308" Thom....It's like your engine is fighting the airframe....Like they say a aft CG makes the airplane fly faster,cause you're not trying to hold the nose up... and yours is trying to push the nose over...thats what it sounds like your's is doing....??? is that what you're thinking?? chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316897#316897 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video From: "ces308" Nice picture ! you keep any cold ones in there ?? LOL Nice field too ! chris ambrose M3X/Jab N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316899#316899 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "Thom Riddle" Although it may look parallel, the angle actually diverges by 3.5 degrees, which is hard to see. I don't claim to understand what this is doing aerodynamically, but intuitively it seems reasonable for the thrust line to be parallel to the relative wind. If the AOA of the wing at cruise is about six degrees or thereabouts, then the thrust line should be about six degrees less than the bottom of the wing, but in my case it is 3.5 degrees greater. In other words it is about 9.5 degrees too high! At least that is how I see it. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316900#316900 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Another video.. From: "Richard Pike" Thom, if I were you, I would start stacking washers under the rear motor mounts and then go and test fly... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316919#316919 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT Working From: "Roger Lee" The Spot 2 Tracker is used by many fliers. They can be used for hunting, hiking, quad riding, motorcycles and autos. Many of us on the other aircraft forums use this and it works great. I would highly recommend one if you fly. Here is a sample of a Spot track from Phoenix, AZ to Mexico. A great safety idea. You should look into it. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?&glId=0SVfqeSZBl3yVkQ7mSqU5SLTyL2kyct1m I am a dealer and sell to pilots at a very special price. You need to call me to get the price because I can't post it. I don't make any money and do this one service as a safety item for pilots. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. 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