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1. 05:19 AM - Re: E15 (Thom Riddle)
2. 06:27 AM - Benton fly-in (Lanny Fetterman)
3. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: E15 (John Hauck)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: E15 (Thom Riddle)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: E15 (Dana Hague)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: Benton fly-in (Eugene Zimmerman)
7. 10:47 AM - Re: E15 (Thom Riddle)
8. 11:34 AM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Frank Fanelli)
9. 01:27 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Eugene Zimmerman)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Ralph B)
11. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (robert bean)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Richard Girard)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Richard Girard)
14. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Richard Girard)
16. 02:45 PM - Okla City Turnaround (Beauford)
17. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Richard Girard)
18. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: E15 (Dana Hague)
19. 03:01 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Dana Hague)
20. 03:19 PM - Re: Okla City Turnaround (Richard Neilsen)
21. 03:25 PM - Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (George Alexander)
22. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Eugene Zimmerman)
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According to the MSDS on StarTron gasoline additive, it is over 95% Naphtha. You've
seen this before in many places, for example Coleman Camp Fuel. It is considered
an adulterant to gasoline. It is not soluble in water so I am have trouble
seeing how it would (per their website)...
"Star Tron breaks down this excess water and sludge to sub-micron size allowing
it to be safely burned away during normal engine operation.
Therefore Star Tron prevents phase separation and fuel gelling, eliminating ethanol
fuel problems."
My Opinion:
- Buy fresh fuel from a very high traffic retailer.
- Keep your tank full of fresh fuel so there is no airspace above the fuel for
moist air to condense into water.
- I doubt that we will be seeing E-15 anytime soon. The recent EPA approval is
only the first step in permitting it and there are many powerful entities inside
and outside the governement who do NOT want this to happen.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Very nice pictures! How was the flight home? One day last week, my
wife and I took a ride on the Valkyrie. I wanted to see where
Elizabethville was. Is your landing strip just off 209, with about
four hangers? I could see the wind sock from the road. Lanny
N598LF PS, I was told there would be two fly-ins at Benton each
year. One in April and one in October. One of the owners said they
would post the dates on www.flyins.com
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> - Keep your tank full of fresh fuel so there is no airspace above the
fuel for moist air to condense into water.
> --------
> Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
Based on the above, how do you compensate for heat expansion?
I find a little 100LL added to my airplane fuel tank takes care of most
moisture problems, in addition to a home made gascolator. Where I live in
Alabama there is considerable humidity to contend with.
john h
mkIII
Moab, Utah
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I meant to minimize the airspace at the top of the tank. I.E., don't leave it half
empty. The more airspace there is, the more likely a drop in temperature will
result in condensation.
At the risk of inviting criticism I will offer the following, FWIW.
The thermal cooefficient of gasoline is about 0.00069/F. For a really bad case
scenario example let's assume that when you fuel your Kolb the temperature is
at water's freezing point (32F) in on an early desert morning. And then the temp
during the day rises to 110F. That is a change of 78F. This means that one
gallon of fuel at 32F increases in volume by 78 x .00069 gallons or .05382 gallons,
i.e. a bit over 5% in this worst case scenario. In a 10 gallon tank, leaving
a smidge over 1/2 gallon of airspace at the top would accommodate this worst
case scenario for gasoline expansion with temperature rise of 78F. A 25 gallon
tank would require about 1 1/4 gallon of airspace.
However, since there is nothing in most fuel systems to keep the fuel from expanding
through the fuel lines to the carburetor(s), even if there was no airspace
at all available for thermal expansion, it would simply bleed out the carb
as it expanded and evaporate in the free air.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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At 12:22 PM 11/4/2010, Thom Riddle wrote:
>However, since there is nothing in most fuel systems to keep the fuel from
>expanding through the fuel lines to the carburetor(s), even if there was
>no airspace at all available for thermal expansion, it would simply bleed
>out the carb as it expanded and evaporate in the free air.
The design of my new metal tank is such that I can't quite fill it to the
top, since the filler neck extends slightly down into the tank, so there's
always some airspace, perhaps 1/3 gallon. This may have been intentional
on the part of the tank builder, I don't know.
The vent at the top of my tank has two spring loaded check valves, and an
unvented cap. One lets air into the tank at 1/2 psi for normal running;
the other lets air out of the tank at 6psi to a vent tube that runs down to
the bottom of the aircraft. I have to turn off the fuel valve going to the
engine when I'm done flying or the tank will leak through the carburetor,
as the float needle is brass, not rubber.
-Dana
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When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important
lesson to be learned. Do not have sex with the authorities.
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| Subject: | Re: Benton fly-in |
Lenny,
Thanks,
Yes we had a very good flight back home. Circled over Dennis Souder's
place on the way but did not land there because we were running out
of time.
I do not live near Elizabethville but Elizabethtown.
Here is a link that should show you my place. Runway is along the
farm lane.
1708 Ridge Rd
I'll make a note on my calendar about the for the April fly-in. This
Benton fly-in was a very good start for what I hope will become a
regular annual event for many years to come. Benton is an ideal
location and the event was well organized and provided us all a very
enjoyable flying experience. Hope to see you there again.
Gene Z
On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
>
> Very nice pictures! How was the flight home? One day last week, my
> wife and I took a ride on the Valkyrie. I wanted to see where
> Elizabethville was. Is your landing strip just off 209, with about
> four hangers? I could see the wind sock from the road. Lanny
> N598LF PS, I was told there would be two fly-ins at Benton each
> year. One in April and one in October. One of the owners said they
> would post the dates on www.flyins.com
>
>
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Dana,
Closing the fuel shutoff valve from the tank to the carbs will definitely keep
the fuel from migrating to the carbs. Your vent system should accommodate any
thermal expansion of the gasoline that the airspace does not.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
On 11/3/2010 8:44 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
Hi Gene:
I've seen those tic-tac-toe contrails too, but by the light of a rising
full moon at this time of the year. I'm just a few miles from the Sparta
(NJ) VOR and almost underneath one of the Terminal approaches for
Newark. Too bad I didn't take pictures of that. Quite a sight. Where did
you take yours?
Frank Fanelli
original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
Frank,
I took the contrail picts in western Lancaster Co PA looking east
towards Philadelphia, on the morning of Oct 18.
I counted at least 21 different contrails visible at one time that
morning, most all heading more or less towards Chicago and points west.
Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo of
the Mk II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
Gene,
On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Frank Fanelli wrote:
<frankf@flying-models.com>
>
> On 11/3/2010 8:44 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>>
> Hi Gene:
>
> I've seen those tic-tac-toe contrails too, but by the light of a
rising full moon at this time of the year. I'm just a few miles from the
Sparta (NJ) VOR and almost underneath one of the Terminal approaches
for Newark. Too bad I didn't take pictures of that. Quite a sight. Where
did you take yours?
>
>
> Frank Fanelli
> original Firestar
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
These are called "chemtrails" and are different than the usual contrails from aircraft
engines. They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere for reasons
not known. They can be seen all over the world since about 1998. Do a google
search.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
-launch music track of "twilight zone"..... doo duh dee dee, doo dah dee dee................
do not archive
On 4, Nov 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> These are called "chemtrails" and are different than the usual contrails from
aircraft engines. They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere for reasons
not known. They can be seen all over the world since about 1998. Do a google
search.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318164#318164
>
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> I took the contrail picts in western Lancaster Co PA looking east towards
> Philadelphia, on the morning of Oct 18.
> I counted at least 21 different contrails visible at one time that morning,
> most all heading more or less towards Chicago and points west.
>
>
> Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo of the
> Mk II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
>
>
> Gene,
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Frank Fanelli wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/2010 8:44 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> >>
> > Hi Gene:
> >
> > I've seen those tic-tac-toe contrails too, but by the light of a rising
> full moon at this time of the year. I'm just a few miles from the Sparta
> (NJ) VOR and almost underneath one of the Terminal approaches for Newark.
> Too bad I didn't take pictures of that. Quite a sight. Where did you take
> yours?
> >
> >
> > Frank Fanelli
> > original Firestar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
All, Sorry for the empty frame. I'm all fumble fingers this afternoon.
Gene, How about posting a picture of the cool wind direction indicator in
the lower left of the Mk 2 pic? Very cool.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>> I took the contrail picts in western Lancaster Co PA looking east towards
>> Philadelphia, on the morning of Oct 18.
>> I counted at least 21 different contrails visible at one time that
>> morning, most all heading more or less towards Chicago and points west.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo of the
>> Mk II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Frank Fanelli wrote:
>>
>> frankf@flying-models.com>
>> >
>> > On 11/3/2010 8:44 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>> >>
>> > Hi Gene:
>> >
>> > I've seen those tic-tac-toe contrails too, but by the light of a rising
>> full moon at this time of the year. I'm just a few miles from the Sparta
>> (NJ) VOR and almost underneath one of the Terminal approaches for Newark.
>> Too bad I didn't take pictures of that. Quite a sight. Where did you take
>> yours?
>> >
>> >
>> > Frank Fanelli
>> > original Firestar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
Yeah, they are actually text messages communicating to the space aliens and road
maps for their UFOs. LOL
Sorry, Ralph but I'm not buying that yet.
Gene
On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> These are called "chemtrails" and are different than the usual contrails from
aircraft engines. They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere for reasons
not known. They can be seen all over the world since about 1998. Do a google
search.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318164#318164
>
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
Either that or the soundtrack of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". :-}
Rick
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> -launch music track of "twilight zone"..... doo duh dee dee, doo dah dee
> dee................
> do not archive
>
> On 4, Nov 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> >
> > These are called "chemtrails" and are different than the usual contrails
> from aircraft engines. They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere
> for reasons not known. They can be seen all over the world since about 1998.
> Do a google search.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > --------
> > Ralph B
> > Original Firestar 447
> > N91493 E-AB
> > 1000 hours
> > 23 years flying it
> > Kolbra 912UL
> > N20386
> > 2 years flying it
> > 120 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318164#318164
> >
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--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Okla City Turnaround |
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
Fer what it's worth, beg to report that the FAA turnaround on the E-LSA
registration renewal fer the Kleenex Kolb was
23 days door-to-door. Better than expected. five bucks, five years.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
Or maybe design information for crop circles?
Rick
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, they are actually text messages communicating to the space aliens and
> road maps for their UFOs. LOL
>
> Sorry, Ralph but I'm not buying that yet.
>
> Gene
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> >
> > These are called "chemtrails" and are different than the usual contrails
> from aircraft engines. They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere
> for reasons not known. They can be seen all over the world since about 1998.
> Do a google search.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > --------
> > Ralph B
> > Original Firestar 447
> > N91493 E-AB
> > 1000 hours
> > 23 years flying it
> > Kolbra 912UL
> > N20386
> > 2 years flying it
> > 120 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318164#318164
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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At 01:44 PM 11/4/2010, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>Dana,
>
>Closing the fuel shutoff valve from the tank to the carbs will definitely
>keep the fuel from migrating to the carbs. Your vent system should
>accommodate any thermal expansion of the gasoline that the airspace does not.
That's the idea...
Just gotta make checking the valve is open a rigid part of my preflight...
don't want to end up like Marty Lunsford, that guy in the Quicksilver made
famous on youtube when he took off with the fuel valve closed...
-Dana
--
Congress shall make no law....What part of NO didn't you understand?
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
At 04:24 PM 11/4/2010, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo of the
>Mk II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
That's a great picture!
Love the wind vane, too.
-Dana
do not archive
--
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| Subject: | Re: Okla City Turnaround |
I just changed the address on my airplane with the FAA about 8 months ago
and it appears they want me to renew it again and pay this time. I would
really like to change registration providers or just say no but.... They sa
y
they need us to renew our registration to better keep track what planes are
still flying. Seems like they could check with the state aviation people. I
register my airplane with the state EVERY YEAR. Are they going to require
all automobiles to register with the Feds?
I'm in Florida now for the winter without my airplane. I'm planning to rent
something to fill my winter flying needs. Let me know when when you Florida
guys are flying some where I might just show up in some non Kolb.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Beauford <beauford173@verizon.net> wrote:
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
>
> Fer what it=92s worth, beg to report that the FAA turnaround on the E-LSA
> registration renewal fer the Kleenex Kolb was
>
> 23 days door-to-door. Better than expected=85 five bucks, five years
=85
>
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it=85
>
>
> Beauford
>
> FF-076
>
> Brandon, FL
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> - - - -SNIP- - - -
> Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo of the Mk
II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
>
>
Different scene..... same MK II.... probably the same pilot.... 'bout the same
AoA.
Attached picture from the gathering at the Kolb Farm June 2008.
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe |
HOMESICK ?
On Nov 4, 2010, at 6:23 PM, George Alexander wrote:
<gtalexander@att.net>
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> Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
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>> - - - -SNIP- - - -
>> Just to keep this more or less Kolb related I'll include this photo
of the Mk II, but please don't get nervous about the trees.
>>
>>
>
>
> Different scene..... same MK II.... probably the same pilot.... 'bout
the same AoA.
>
> Attached picture from the gathering at the Kolb Farm June 2008.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318181#318181
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/gta_184a_834.jpg
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