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Fri 11/05/10


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     0. 12:14 AM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
     1. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (Pat Ladd)
     2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Sling Shot engine shims (Fredrick Kerfoot)
     3. 06:05 AM - Re: Okla City Turnaround (Thom Riddle)
     4. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Okla City Turnaround (Richard Girard)
     5. 07:28 AM - Re: Okla City Turnaround (Thom Riddle)
     6. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Okla City Turnaround (Dana Hague)
     7. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Okla City Turnaround (b young)
     8. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe (russ kinne)
     9. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Okla City Turnaround (russ kinne)
    10. 07:48 PM - Re: 4 blade prop - Rick Girard (Richard Girard)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:14:39 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Reminder
    Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator


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    Time: 04:48:55 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe
    They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere for reasons not known. > Whooooooooo. Scary! Question. how does anyone know they are different and in what way?. Did you see the pumpkin man? I see dozens of contrails every morning. Almost all heading the same direction and at the same time. I have heard it rumoured that the planes are full of aliens and as they are coming from America and heading for Heathrow or Gatwick I think that is probably true. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 05:44:03 AM PST US
    From: Fredrick Kerfoot <fredkt46@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Sling Shot engine shims
    Rick=2C don't forget to make 4 thin beveled shims for the under side of the engine mounts. (6 thin & 2 thick total). Otherwise you will be bending the bolts. FredK Thom=2C The pads are a bit over 2.5" fore to aft. The distance between moun ting holes is 1.75" (taken from a spare mount). I can get 2 1/2" wide bar s tock at a local supplier in both 1" and 1/4" thick. The smaller size for th e front wil I figure I'll put a 1.375 hole in the middle of the shims just to take a little weight out of them. I picked the size only because I have a cut down drill of that size that has the shank ground to 3/4" so I can ru n it right out of a collet and it is short enough that I don't have to get all aerobic cranking the table up and down. I went back and dimensioned the drawing so you can compare to your mount ju st to be sure. Turns out I had the accuracy turned down a bit to much on an gular measurements when I said it is spot on at 4 degrees=2C but I doubt th at little extra will make a big difference.


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    Time: 06:05:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Rick, Hush, please. I don't want our state government in Albany to hear you. New York, the most taxed and regulated state in the union (I believe) does not have a state registration for aircraft. Nor do we have what was called in Georgia (when I lived there) an annual Ad Valorem tax on stuff you own. I'd like to keep it that way. Our property taxes and sales taxes make up for this oversight in Albany. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318304#318304


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    Time: 07:08:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Thom, You're lucky. Kansas has an annual tax and they watch the aircraft registration data base. My trike and Kolb cost me almost $400 a year, and that was after I dickered the assessment down. When the original bill came, it was over $1500. Rick On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rick, > > Hush, please. I don't want our state government in Albany to hear you. > > New York, the most taxed and regulated state in the union (I believe) doe s > not have a state registration for aircraft. Nor do we have what was calle d > in Georgia (when I lived there) an annual Ad Valorem tax on stuff you own . > I'd like to keep it that way. Our property taxes and sales taxes make up for > this oversight in Albany. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94 > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318304#318304 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton


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    Time: 07:28:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Rick, They watch the FAA registration database like a hawk and levy 8.75% sales tax when a new New York address registration shows up. But no annual tax like in many states. In Georgia I paid on average about $300/yr for each car I owned. I never owned an aircraft when I lived there so don't know what that would have cost. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318311#318311


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    Time: 09:37:23 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    At 10:05 AM 11/5/2010, Richard Girard wrote: >Thom, You're lucky. Kansas has an annual tax and they watch the aircraft >registration data base. My trike and Kolb cost me almost $400 a year, and >that was after I dickered the assessment down. When the original bill >came, it was over $1500. Here in Connecticut aircraft used to be subject to a yearly "personal property tax", which was payable to the town, not the state. That was eliminated, and now there's a state aircraft registration sticker required... which you buy from the town clerk, and the town keeps the money. Comes to the same thing. -Dana do not archive -- If email had been around before the telephone was invented, people would have said, "Hey, forget email! With this new telephone invention I can actually talk to people!"


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    Time: 04:25:17 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    Thom, You're lucky. Kansas has an annual tax and they watch the aircraft registration data base. My trike and Kolb cost me almost $400 a year, and that was after I dickered the assessmenit down. When the original bill came, it was over $1500. Rick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel lucky they only wanted 1500.00 i was told that for my mkiii the "fair market value of aircraft on registration date" was $530,114.11,,,, and at 6% tax rate,,, the tax was $31,806.85 should have told them i would sell it to them for 1/2 the fair market value... they could resale it for the full value, or even discount it a bit so it would sell faster... and they could keep the diference to cover the tax, and call the rest a donation from me to the county. i was also told that the tax wan't due till the aircraft was compleated... i told them that it was a work in progress and i did not expect to be done for 15 to 20 years.... that one they did not accept,,, made me pay the taxes as of the day it first commited flight. boyd young mkiii do not archive


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    Time: 06:13:33 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Morning Sky & Contrail Tic Tac Toe
    Pat That's to take care of the overpopulation of aliens we have here -- do not archive On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > They are aerosols being sprayed into the atmosphere for reasons not > known. > > > Whooooooooo. Scary! Question. how does anyone know they are > different and in what way?. > > Did you see the pumpkin man? > > I see dozens of contrails every morning. Almost all heading the > same direction and at the same time. > I have heard it rumoured that the planes are full of aliens and as > they are coming from America and heading for Heathrow or Gatwick I > think that is probably true. > > Cheers > > Pat > >


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    Time: 06:25:00 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Okla City Turnaround
    Dana You're might on about the current tax procedure. Years ago, every airport near the state border would be near-empty the first week in Oct -- if you were in CT on Oct 1, you got taxed. Otherwise not. The tax assessor in one town was seen walking the aircraft line with Trade-A-Plane in one hand and a clipboard in t'other. "This one is a Cessna? Here's one in this here-now yellow newspaper that costs $99,000. Guess that's what all Cessnas cost". Luckily no longer the case. I think. do not archive On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 10:05 AM 11/5/2010, Richard Girard wrote: >> Thom, You're lucky. Kansas has an annual tax and they watch the >> aircraft registration data base. My trike and Kolb cost me almost >> $400 a year, and that was after I dickered the assessment down. >> When the original bill came, it was over $1500. > > Here in Connecticut aircraft used to be subject to a yearly > "personal property tax", which was payable to the town, not the > state. That was eliminated, and now there's a state aircraft > registration sticker required... which you buy from the town clerk, > and the town keeps the money. Comes to the same thing. > > -Dana > > do not archive > -- > If email had been around before the telephone was invented, people > would have said, "Hey, forget email! With this new telephone > invention I can actually talk to people!" > >


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    Time: 07:48:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 4 blade prop - Rick Girard
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Jimmy, all, Well here's an interesting data point. It has been such a lovely day here that I couldn't let the opportunity go by to commit aviation. So, anyway, I thought I'd take an hour, swap the 68" four blade Powerfin with the three blade 66" Warp Drive and answer Jimmy's question and my own. Both my trike and the Mk III have the props set for similar performance. With the HKS I get 5800 RPM at WOT static and about an 800 fpm climb rate. The 582 on Zulu Delta gets 6000 static and the climb rate is almost identical. Since the 582 has 5 more HP and a lightly lower gear ratio, 4 to 1, versus the HKS with 60 HP and a 3.45 gearbox I figured the props would swap straight across. By the time I finished getting the prop bolts torqued it was right at 5:00, the temperature was peaked at 56 and the wind was undetectable. What little there was, was coming right down 35. I finished preflight, checked the mags as the coolant temp gage reached the bottom of the green arc and taxied into position, oops, lined up, and rolled on the throttle. If anything, I was expecting the engine to over rev slightly. Zulu Delta seemed to accelerate normally and then at 4400 RPM the tach needle stopped moving. The tail was up, she was ready to rotate and I let her come off the runway thinking maybe the grass was extra sticky or something today. Nope, nada, the engine wouldn't rev beyond 4400. I pulled power, let her settle and taxied back to my yard. So much for swapping props straight across. I briefly considered just putting the Warp Drive back on and letting things be, but curiosity got the better of me. I made a TLAR estimate of how much to change the pitch after a quick measurement with the Warp Drive protractor and got started. Next try the engine hit 6000 and except for the vibration level everything was fine. Once I reached pattern altitude I made a quick check of airspeed at my normal cruising RPM of 5600. 62 miles per hour ground speed on the GPS going downwind and 58 coming back. Almost 8 mph slower than what I normally get. Not exactly what I was hoping for. About the only thing I liked about the performance was how steep a landing approach I could make with full flaps. It was almost as good as when I had the Rice King clutch in the gearbox. Needless to say the Warp Drive goes back on in the morning. If it's wrong at least it's a better match to the 582 than this particular Power Fin. I guess what really amazes me is how well the HKS performs with that same prop and two degrees more pitch. Rick Girard Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > I bought my plane from a couple of helicopter instructors at Ft Rucker in > Alabama and it came with a three blade 68" WD with tapered blades. When > those blades were damaged by contacting the flap bell cranks hitting the > face of the prop blades I decided to step back to a 66" diameter as > recommended in the plans and did not get the new blades tapered. I also > acquired a two blade hub off eBay and tried that for about a day, but didn't > like the vibration level and went back to the three blade. That is what I > have on the Kolb at this time. > On my HKS powered trike I have a 68" four blade Powerfin with "F" blades. I > have the 3.45 gearbox on that engine. Very quiet, especially when I keep the > engine throttled back when I'm flying with the big wing on. I rarely run the > engine faster than 4900 RPM in cruise with that wing. > I haven't tried the Powerfin with the Kolb yet, although I'd like to before > I put the plane up for the winter, mostly because the folks at WD tell me > the one I have is completely wrong for my engine / gearbox combo. So now I'm > wondering if there is some performance to be had with more blade area and > I'm lucky enough to have a prop I can try without having to spend any money > to do it. So the most I can tell you at this time is that I'll let you know > how it works out. > > Rick > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Jimmy Young <jdy100@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> Rick, >> >> I noticed while I was culling through the non-Kolb related discussions of >> the last two days that you have a 4-bladed prop with a 4-1 redrive. Just >> curious, what is the length on that prop, the manufacturer, and what was the >> reason you went with it? Did you ever have a 2 or 3 blade prop on the same >> engine/plane? I'm asking to learn, not trying to be critical in any way. >> >> -------- >> Jimmy Young >> Missouri City, TX >> Kolb FS II/HKS 700 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317922#317922 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton




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