---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/11/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Please Support The Lists... (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Re: Mark III Data Plate (Pat Ladd) 2. 07:22 AM - Re: MK III for sale (Jason Omelchuck) 3. 08:15 AM - Re: Prop tests finally over (Richard Neilsen) 4. 08:47 AM - Re: Prop tests finally over (william sullivan) 5. 10:04 AM - Re: Prop tests finally over (Richard Girard) 6. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Mark III Data Plate (Richard Girard) 7. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Mark III Data Plate (Pat Ladd) 8. 11:32 AM - Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale (Jason Omelchuck) 9. 12:25 PM - Feed a Vet (Fredrick Kerfoot) 10. 02:40 PM - Re: Feed a Vet (russ kinne) 11. 03:57 PM - Re: Feed a Vet (Richard Girard) 12. 04:16 PM - Re: Feed a Vet (Sky Biker Richardson) 13. 05:36 PM - Re: Feed a Vet (robert bean) 14. 06:12 PM - Re: Feed a Vet (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:51 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Please Support The Lists... Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Please make your Contribution today at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:33 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Data Plate Hi Richard, interesting. I don`t think that I have ever seen a written spec. about the plate placement. Main thing is that it is likely to survive a crash. What is on the plate is specified of course. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK III for sale From: "Jason Omelchuck" On Barnstormers there are many Kolbs at great deals. Go to "Browse" for aircraft then select experimental and go to Kolb. There are 3 912S powered extras for around 30K. I just sold my Yamaha powered MKIII for about half of that. Now is a hard time to sell an airplane so be prepared for it to take many months and the price you get might sting a little. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318977#318977 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop tests finally over From: Richard Neilsen Rick I'm sure you know but to do a true test between a two blade and a three blade prop you need to change the length of the props. If you have room you need to fit a longer blade to the two blade prop. A correctly sized two blade prop will out perform a tree blade prop. A three blade prop is better if you don't have room to swing a longer two blade prop. A three blade prop is normally much smoother and quieter than a two blade prop especially on a pusher. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > After gradually creeping up on the right pitch setting for the 4 blade > reduced to 2 Power Fin and a day without screaming winds I was able to do as > direct a comparison as I was capable of this afternoon. When all was said > and done, the completely wrong 3 blade Warp Drive won by 3 mph. About the > only thing that came out of the test was that I get less pitch change with > power changes now that I've added another 1/4" to the rear motor mounts for > a total of 1/2". I suppose that's worth something. > > Rick Girard > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:32 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop tests finally over - Can someone explain why I usually see the three blade on a Firefly, and a two blade on a Firestar- both with the 447? ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ---------------- FS 447, WD 2 blade --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Richard Neilsen wrote: - I'm sure you know-but to do a true test between a two blade and a three b lade prop you need to change the length of the props. If you have room you need to fit a longer blade to the two blade prop. A correctly sized two bla de prop will out perform a tree blade prop.-A three blade prop is better if you don't have room to swing a longer two blade prop. A three blade prop is normally much smoother and quieter than a two blade prop especially on a pusher.- - ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop tests finally over From: Richard Girard Richard, The Power Fin was an inch longer. Not enough to make a real difference, I know, but some. I was hoping for parity between the two and was a bit surprised that the 2 blade did not at least equal the 3. What truly amazed me was the initial test when the 4 blade was mounted on the 582 and the engine couldn't pull it. Makes me really wonder what a properly set up HKS could do on the Mk III. I have the coming winter to decide about that. Rick On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:44 AM, william sullivan wrote: > Can someone explain why I usually see the three blade on a Firefly, and a > two blade on a Firestar- both with the 447? > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > FS 447, WD 2 blade > > --- On *Thu, 11/11/10, Richard Neilsen * wrote: > > > I'm sure you know but to do a true test between a two blade and a three > blade prop you need to change the length of the props. If you have room you > need to fit a longer blade to the two blade prop. A correctly sized two > blade prop will out perform a tree blade prop. A three blade prop is better > if you don't have room to swing a longer two blade prop. A three blade prop > is normally much smoother and quieter than a two blade prop especially on a > pusher. > > > ** > > * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Data Plate From: Richard Girard Pat, I don't know about the validity of the story, but what I've been told by several, including the FAA inspector who issued the Airworthiness Certificate for my Firestar, that this data plate was mandated following a request from the DEA. So many planes were being stolen in Florida and surrounding states to be used for drug running and then crashed in the Everglades that they needed a way to determine ownership of the aircraft without having to bring in heavy equipment to dig it out. Hence the request that the plate be put behind the rear most loading door or near the tail. Rick On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > Hi Richard, > interesting. I don`t think that I have ever seen a written spec. about the > plate placement. Main thing is that it is likely to survive a crash. What is > on the plate is specified of course. > > Pat > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:20 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Data Plate I don't know about the validity >> Interesting. I don`t think there are any records here of smuggling by ulralight from France. More likely to be Pakistanis, Indians or other alien. Pat ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Yamaha powered MKIII for sale From: "Jason Omelchuck" I am happy to say that the Yamaha powered Kolb was sold to a fellow in Southern California. Thanks to everyone who passed the word Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319030#319030 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:11 PM PST US From: Fredrick Kerfoot Subject: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet All you Veterans and Military=2C Remember=2C Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a free m eal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also Golden Corral www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet to military and vets on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks if you asked me. FredK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:58 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet Good sentiment but not Kolb-related On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Fredrick Kerfoot wrote: > > > All you Veterans and Military, > Remember, Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a > free meal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also > Golden Corral www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet > to military and vets on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks > if you asked me. > > FredK > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet From: Richard Girard On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:36 PM, russ kinne wrote: > Good sentiment but not Kolb-related > > > On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Fredrick Kerfoot wrote: > > > All you Veterans and Military, > Remember, Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a free > meal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also Golden Corral > www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet to military and vets > on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks if you asked me. > > FredK > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:03 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet I wonder how many of the Kolb fliers are former Vets and as a result starte d flying because of their military back round. I as a former Marine that ta kes offense that a note to us. offenses some. There has been a lot wor se off Kold threaded. It does make me wonder who I would want as a wing ma n=2C I for one still believe in the Brotherhood. Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet From: aslsa.rng@gmail.com On Thu=2C Nov 11=2C 2010 at 4:36 PM=2C russ kinne wrote : Good sentiment but not Kolb-related On Nov 11=2C 2010=2C at 3:21 PM=2C Fredrick Kerfoot wrote: All you Veterans and Military=2C Remember=2C Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a free m eal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also Golden Corral www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet to military and vets on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks if you asked me. FredK href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Zulu DeltaKolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head4.00 C gearbox3 blade WDThanks=2C Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right=3B but it is bigotry to be una ble to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:49 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet Rick your message was absent. all: regarding the free meal thingy.... if you are a hermit like me, don't bother. Out of curiosity I dropped in to one of the chain restaurants offering the freebie tonight. They don't owe me anything but what the hey. Chili's. Packed. Mostly youth and obese regulars. I was served a beer at the bar and waited, and waited some more. Tucked a few bucks under my mostly unconsumed beer and walked out. I hate crowds. BB On 11, Nov 2010, at 6:54 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:36 PM, russ kinne wrote: > Good sentiment but not Kolb-related > > > On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Fredrick Kerfoot wrote: > >> >> >> All you Veterans and Military, >> Remember, Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a free meal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also Golden Corral www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet to military and vets on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks if you asked me. >> >> FredK >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Feed a Vet From: Richard Girard Sorry about that, I hit "reply" instead of "back to inbox". Rick On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:34 PM, robert bean wrote: > Rick your message was absent. > all: regarding the free meal thingy.... if you are a hermit like me, don't > bother. Out of curiosity I dropped in to one of the > chain restaurants offering the freebie tonight. They don't owe me anything > but what the hey. Chili's. Packed. > Mostly youth and obese regulars. I was served a beer at the bar and > waited, and waited some more. Tucked > a few bucks under my mostly unconsumed beer and walked out. I hate crowds. > BB > > On 11, Nov 2010, at 6:54 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:36 PM, russ kinne wrote: > >> Good sentiment but not Kolb-related >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Fredrick Kerfoot wrote: >> >> >> >> All you Veterans and Military, >> Remember, Applebee's Restaurants www.applebees.com is offering a free >> meal to all military members and veterans this evening. Also Golden Corral >> www.goldencorral.net will be offering a free buffet to military and vets >> on Monday the 15th. Darn nice of these folks if you asked me. >> >> FredK >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. 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