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1. 05:39 AM - Re: good video (Thom Riddle)
2. 12:36 PM - cracked rear spar tube firestar (frank goodnight)
3. 12:44 PM - Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar (Richard Girard)
4. 12:54 PM - Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar (Mike Welch)
5. 01:12 PM - Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar (frank goodnight)
6. 01:23 PM - Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar (Mike Welch)
7. 04:03 PM - non Kolb but (chris davis)
8. 04:44 PM - Fw: Cracked spar on fire star. (frank goodnight)
9. 06:02 PM - Re: Fw: Cracked spar on fire star. (Dennis Souder)
10. 06:48 PM - Re: non Kolb but (Malcolm Brubaker)
11. 07:44 PM - Re: non Kolb but (william sullivan)
12. 09:11 PM - Re: non Kolb but (chris davis)
13. 09:27 PM - Re: non Kolb but (chris davis)
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SPLENDID!
do not archive
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | cracked rear spar tube firestar |
Hi All,=0AMy firestar 2 with HKS engine is aproching 200 hrs.=0A- This mo
rning I found a 2in crack in both sides of the 1in square tube that the =0A
wing fold fitting=0Abolts onto--- The carry through tube for the rear spar-
-- the crack is right =0Abelow the rear engine mounts.=0AIt is on the top f
orward edge of the 1 in square tube , all the way through the =0Awall of th
e tube. after I thought=0AI saw a crack I used dye penatrant -----no doubt
there is a crack on both sides =0Aof- the air plane.=0AIf any of the othe
r HKS users has a simular crack and maybe knows what would be =0Aa good fix
, please=0AE mail me or the list. Thanks =0AFrank Goodnight =0AFirestar 2
=0AHks engine 200 hrs=0ABrownsville . tx- Ph 956 542 1003=0A
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| Subject: | Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar |
Frank, Did you get any pictures?
Rick Girard
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM, frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
> Hi All,
> My firestar 2 with HKS engine is aproching 200 hrs.
> This morning I found a 2in crack in both sides of the 1in square tube
> that the wing fold fitting
> bolts onto--- The carry through tube for the rear spar--- the crack is
> right below the rear engine mounts.
> It is on the top forward edge of the 1 in square tube , all the way through
> the wall of the tube. after I thought
> I saw a crack I used dye penatrant -----no doubt there is a crack on both
> sides of the air plane.
> If any of the other HKS users has a simular crack and maybe knows what
> would be a good fix, please
> E mail me or the list. Thanks
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
> Hks engine 200 hrs
> Brownsville . tx Ph 956 542 1003
>
>
> *
>
>
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | cracked rear spar tube firestar |
If any of the other HKS users has a simular crack and maybe knows what woul
d be a good fix=2C please
E mail me or the list. Thanks
Frank Goodnight
Frank=2C
With cracks such as you describe=2C I would think the factory ought to we
igh in on your repair=2C for
two reasons. First=2C to make sure you get it fixed correctly so that it d
oesn't happen again. Second=2C
to consider sending an official A/D (airworthiness directive) out to all Ko
lb A/C owners to inspect for
similar cracks.
Could you take a couple of pictures of these cracks=2C and share them wit
h the rest of us?
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: cracked rear spar tube firestar |
MIke,=0A=0Acan,t send pic. but did talk with Travis and Bryan --they said D
enis will be in =0AThursday and they=0Awill put thrir heads togeather then
and let us know something.so far Travis or =0ABryn have never had =0A=0Athi
s problem.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: M
ike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T
ue, November 16, 2010 2:52:39 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: cracked rear spa
r tube firestar=0A=0AIf any of the other HKS users has a simular crack and
maybe knows what would be =0Aa good fix, please=0A=0AE mail me or the list.
Thanks =0AFrank Goodnight =0A-=0AFrank,=0A=0A- With cracks such as you
describe, I would think the factory ought to weigh in =0Aon your repair, f
or=0Atwo reasons.- First, to make sure you get it fixed correctly so that
it doesn't =0Ahappen again.- Second,=0Ato consider sending an official A
/D (airworthiness directive)-out to all Kolb =0AA/C owners to inspect for
=0A=0Asimilar cracks.=0A=0A- Could you take a couple of pictures of thes
e cracks, and share them with the =0Arest of us?=0A=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII=0A
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| Subject: | cracked rear spar tube firestar |
MIke=2C
can=2Ct send pic. but did talk with Travis and Bryan --they said Denis will
be in Thursday and they
will put thrir heads togeather then and let us know something.so far Travis
or Bryn have never had
this problem.
Frank
Frank=2C
Sounds like you're on the right track!! Fortunately you found the
problem before any further damage was done=2C and there's NO doubt
Denis will get it figured out and get you on the correct path to get
it fixed good as new (or better).
Mike W
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Kolbers I have recently received a page of pictures that are from USAF museum at
Wright Pat AFB it is long but Learned a lot from it the photography is fantastic
and there are aircraft I had never seen before and didnt know , (in my ignorance
) existed . should I run it ?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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| Subject: | Fw: Cracked spar on fire star. |
=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AFrom: Jon Lockhart <jonlock2@gma
il.com>=0ATo: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>; =0Acustomersupport
@tnkolbaircraft.com; kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, November 16, 2010
6:02:16 PM=0ASubject: Cracked spar on fire star.=0A=0APlease review the ph
otos.- Thanks, Frank Goodnight=0A
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| Subject: | Fw: Cracked spar on fire star. |
Frank,
There are 2 issues:
Roughly speaking, an HKS has approximately twice the power impulse than a
two-stoke because it has only half of the power pulses.
(A 2-stroke piston fires every time in goes down, but only every other time
on a 4-stroke.) So the HKS will place a higher stress on the structure than
a 2-stroke of comparable power.
Somewhere along the way, the brace gusset from the motor mount got moved to
the center of the square tube. Formerly it was welded to the leading edge
of the square tube.
On your frame the power pulses are transmitted to the center of the thin
wall of the square tube - this will result in a certain amount of flexing
which could possible lead to the cracking you have.
A possible fix would be the addition of a gusset to get the forces directly
to the corner of the square tube.
If someone is going to sound an alarm about the cracking, I think a
distinction could be made between the frames that have the center orientated
location vs the edge oriented location.
Dennis
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of frank goodnight
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Cracked spar on fire star.
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Jon Lockhart <jonlock2@gmail.com>
customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 6:02:16 PM
Subject: Cracked spar on fire star.
Please review the photos. Thanks, Frank Goodnight
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
Chris-- i had a-factory KXP- i bought it from homer.- finley sold
it at =0Aoshkosh-to a guy in Kenosha-- dont know what happened to it
after that=0Ais yours that factory-colors-that became so popular?Malco
lm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-
3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: chris davis <c
apedavis@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, November 16,
2010 7:00:06 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: non Kolb but=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>=0A=0AKolbers I have recent
ly received a page of pictures that are from USAF museum at =0A=0AWright Pa
t AFB it is long but Learned a lot from it the photography is fantastic =0A
=0Aand there are aircraft I had never seen before and didnt know , (in my i
gnorance =0A=0A) existed . should I run it ? =0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503
492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A=0A
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
- Chris- If it doesn't go to the List, I would be interested off List.
-
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct
.
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--------------------FS 447
--- On Tue, 11/16/10, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: non Kolb but
Kolbers I have recently received a page of pictures that are from USAF muse
um at
Wright Pat AFB it is long but Learned a lot from it the photography is fant
astic
and there are aircraft I had never seen before and didnt know , (in my igno
rance
) existed . should I run it ?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
- - -
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
Malcolm , Dont really know what you are asking me but I built my KXP in 92-93
flew it 9 years sold it to a guy named Lovetru or something like that from
Michigan never heard from him again . The I bought a lovely MKIII classic from
Bob Brocious in Kentucky, Never took delivery due to my crash , My KXP was whit
with red and blue horizontal stripes on the wings a blue vertical stabilizer
with white stars and av red and white striped rudder , Hope this helps . C
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
________________________________
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:46:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: non Kolb but
Chris i had a factory KXP i bought it from homer. finley sold it at
oshkosh to a guy in Kenosha dont know what happened to it after that
is yours that factory colors that became so popular?Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
________________________________
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 7:00:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: non Kolb but
Kolbers I have recently received a page of pictures that are from USAF museum at
Wright Pat AFB it is long but Learned a lot from it the photography is fantastic
and there are aircraft I had never seen before and didnt know , (in my ignorance
) existed . should I run it ?
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
der's Bookstore wttp://www.homebuilthelp.com/"
target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com
u for your p; -Matt Dra
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
Bill I will send it , any one else who wants it email me
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
________________________________
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 10:42:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: non Kolb but
Chris- If it doesn't go to the List, I would be interested off List.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
--- On Tue, 11/16/10, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: non Kolb but
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:00 PM
>
>
>
>Kolbers I have recently received a page of pictures that are from USAF museum
at
>
>Wright Pat AFB it is long but Learned a lot from it the photography is fantastic
>
>and there are aircraft I had never seen before and didnt know , (in my ignorance
>
>) existed . should I run it ?
>
>
>Chris Davis
>KXP 503 492 hrs
>Glider Pilot
>Disabled from crash build; November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. bsp; *
>The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
>_sp; --> http:http://forums.matronics.com/"
>target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com</===============
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