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0. 12:04 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:44 AM - Re: Latex paint (Jerry Deckard)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Latex paint (Richard Pike)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Latex paint (robert bean)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (b young)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (b young)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Latex paint (Jack B. Hart)
8. 09:44 AM - Re: non Kolb but (Dennis Thate)
9. 04:35 PM - Re: Latex paint (gliderx5@comcast.net)
10. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: non Kolb but (chris davis)
11. 07:23 PM - Re: Latex paint (Richard Pike)
12. 07:52 PM - Re: non Kolb but (Dennis Thate)
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Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
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I am also on the Challenger list. There has been a lot of discussion on
that group about latex. Several guys have used it. Maybe a latex paint
list should be started.
Jerry
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From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex paint
Richard, I'm just about to start on the tail feathers of Zulu Delta so
I'm interested. Can you give some more detail on how you did the
painting? Sealers and primers? What you'd do different? TIA.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
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Forget it.
Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned
out to be. Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot
harder to work with. Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not
happy with any of them. The airplane will probably look good after the
details get touched up, but what a pain this has been compared with
using Stits, Randolph, or Certified Coatings.
Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please
accept my apologies, this has been a real soup sandwich.
Richard Pike
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
it is Dennis that's my old Firestar & the skis I built for it winter flyin
g is the best
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:57 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
by0ung
Have to admit...this does look like fun
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A couple months back I was touting Latex as being a good alternative because I
used it years ago on a couple Hummers, and it went on easy, looked good, and was
light. Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water.
This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because
those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase
and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of the
various guns I tried wanted to cooperate.
If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about the
same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a lot
less complicated and frustrating.
Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen for
me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for
doing it - was expecting it to be lighter.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Sorry you had problems. The unfortunate fact is the formulations of the various
house paints are not well revealed which makes
divining their properties difficult unless you buy one of each and test them.
The top rated exteriors now incorporate some urethane
in the blend. From what I've read, California, Pratt and Lambert, Behr and Sears
Weatherbeater Ultra are among the better brands.
It would be tempting to try a clear water based urethane and add a tint to create
your own flex coating.
BB
On 21, Nov 2010, at 9:18 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
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> A couple months back I was touting Latex as being a good alternative because
I used it years ago on a couple Hummers, and it went on easy, looked good, and
was light. Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water.
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> This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because
those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase
and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of
the various guns I tried wanted to cooperate.
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> If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about
the same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a
lot less complicated and frustrating.
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> Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen
for me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for
doing it - was expecting it to be lighter.
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> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320330#320330
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
In the event the Nazi 447 will not start.
p.s. Brother Alexander is known to be a sucker for these events.
Beauford
what do you mean..... if the 447 wont start? i thought the kleenex
flying machine used a rubber band.
LOL
boyd
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
by0ung
Have to admit...this does look like fun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
have to admit,,, i have never tired skis..... thought about it a
bunch.
boyd young
mkIII
utah
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Richard,
Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol?
Since I was attaching fabric to foam fairings, I applied non cut latex with
a brush to hold the fabric to the foam. It worked like a charm. The only
problem I had was that, due to the high surface tension very small bubbles
floated up to the surface, and they did not break out of the surface.
In Googling about how RC modelers use latex, I found that they thin latex
with windshield wiper fluid. The alcohol breaks down or lowers the surface
tension and increases the wet ability of the mixture, and the water thins
out the mixture. I believe you could expect better spray gun performance
with the addition of the alcohol. One can check this out by dipping a straw
into the latex paint and observing the drop size as on slowly rotates the
straw to form a drop on the end of the straw. Next take a sample and cut it
with water and alcohol and perform the same test. The drop size should
become smaller indicating surface tension reduction.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
I too would like a copy.
Thanks in advance
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Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
http://www.cdsg.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=381
OR MAYBE THIS
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:40:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but
I too would like a copy.
Thanks in advance
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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> Richard,
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> Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol?
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> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Used a flow agent I bought from the Sherwin-Williams store, it is supposed to thin
the latex, make it flow out smoothly, but not slow down the tack/drying process.
After I got home and read the can, it is about the same stuff as windshield
washer fluid. Costs a lot more...
And it helped, but the results are still - well - I will be spending the day in
the garage tomorrow dealing with the blemishes.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
Thanks for the post....that's great aviation history. I was there there in the
1980's...what a dramatic change from how I remembered It.
When will they make public the the Roswell crash UFO ! [Wink]
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