---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/21/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:04 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:44 AM - Re: Latex paint (Jerry Deckard) 2. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Latex paint (Richard Pike) 4. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Latex paint (robert bean) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (b young) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (b young) 7. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Latex paint (Jack B. Hart) 8. 09:44 AM - Re: non Kolb but (Dennis Thate) 9. 04:35 PM - Re: Latex paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) 10. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: non Kolb but (chris davis) 11. 07:23 PM - Re: Latex paint (Richard Pike) 12. 07:52 PM - Re: non Kolb but (Dennis Thate) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:11 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:20 AM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex paint I am also on the Challenger list. There has been a lot of discussion on that group about latex. Several guys have used it. Maybe a latex paint list should be started. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex paint Richard, I'm just about to start on the tail feathers of Zulu Delta so I'm interested. Can you give some more detail on how you did the painting? Sealers and primers? What you'd do different? TIA. Rick Girard On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Richard Pike wrote: Forget it. Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned out to be. Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot harder to work with. Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not happy with any of them. The airplane will probably look good after the details get touched up, but what a pain this has been compared with using Stits, Randolph, or Certified Coatings. Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please accept my apologies, this has been a real soup sandwich. 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Chesterton ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage From: Ellery Batchelder Jr it is Dennis that's my old Firestar & the skis I built for it winter flyin g is the best Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Thate Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:57 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage by0ung Have to admit...this does look like fun ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320230#320230 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_on_skis_190.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water. This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of the various guns I tried wanted to cooperate. If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about the same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a lot less complicated and frustrating. Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen for me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for doing it - was expecting it to be lighter. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320330#320330 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Latex paint From: robert bean Sorry you had problems. The unfortunate fact is the formulations of the various house paints are not well revealed which makes divining their properties difficult unless you buy one of each and test them. The top rated exteriors now incorporate some urethane in the blend. From what I've read, California, Pratt and Lambert, Behr and Sears Weatherbeater Ultra are among the better brands. It would be tempting to try a clear water based urethane and add a tint to create your own flex coating. BB On 21, Nov 2010, at 9:18 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > A couple months back I was touting Latex as being a good alternative because I used it years ago on a couple Hummers, and it went on easy, looked good, and was light. Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water. > > This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of the various guns I tried wanted to cooperate. > > If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about the same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a lot less complicated and frustrating. > > Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen for me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for doing it - was expecting it to be lighter. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320330#320330 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:22 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar Winter storage In the event the Nazi 447 will not start. p.s. Brother Alexander is known to be a sucker for these events. Beauford what do you mean..... if the 447 wont start? i thought the kleenex flying machine used a rubber band. LOL boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:29 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage by0ung Have to admit...this does look like fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to admit,,, i have never tired skis..... thought about it a bunch. boyd young mkIII utah ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:13 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Latex paint Richard, Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol? Since I was attaching fabric to foam fairings, I applied non cut latex with a brush to hold the fabric to the foam. It worked like a charm. The only problem I had was that, due to the high surface tension very small bubbles floated up to the surface, and they did not break out of the surface. In Googling about how RC modelers use latex, I found that they thin latex with windshield wiper fluid. The alcohol breaks down or lowers the surface tension and increases the wet ability of the mixture, and the water thins out the mixture. I believe you could expect better spray gun performance with the addition of the alcohol. One can check this out by dipping a straw into the latex paint and observing the drop size as on slowly rotates the straw to form a drop on the end of the straw. Next take a sample and cut it with water and alcohol and perform the same test. The drop size should become smaller indicating surface tension reduction. FWIW Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but From: "Dennis Thate" I too would like a copy. Thanks in advance Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320351#320351 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:06 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex paint ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:03 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but http://www.cdsg.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=381 OR MAYBE THIS Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Thate Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:40:56 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but I too would like a copy. Thanks in advance Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320351#320351 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex paint From: "Richard Pike" jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > Richard, > > Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol? > > > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN Used a flow agent I bought from the Sherwin-Williams store, it is supposed to thin the latex, make it flow out smoothly, but not slow down the tack/drying process. After I got home and read the can, it is about the same stuff as windshield washer fluid. Costs a lot more... And it helped, but the results are still - well - I will be spending the day in the garage tomorrow dealing with the blemishes. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320396#320396 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but From: "Dennis Thate" Thanks for the post....that's great aviation history. I was there there in the 1980's...what a dramatic change from how I remembered It. When will they make public the the Roswell crash UFO ! 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