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0. 12:22 AM - Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:47 AM - Re: heading to Geneseo (Thom Riddle)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II (Pat Ladd)
3. 07:14 AM - cowl mold (Nelson, Craig)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II (william sullivan)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly (John Hauck)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly (frank goodnight)
7. 08:25 AM - Kolb Relocating (John Hauck)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly (Vic)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II (Richard Girard)
10. 08:52 AM - Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (Dennis Thate)
11. 08:57 AM - Novice Kolb Pilot (Dennis Thate)
12. 09:13 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Perry Rhoads)
13. 09:36 AM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (Richard Girard)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (Richard Girard)
15. 09:51 AM - novice Kolb pilot (Lanny Fetterman)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (racerjerry)
17. 12:31 PM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Dennis Thate)
18. 12:39 PM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (The Kuffels)
19. 01:02 PM - (Lanny Fetterman)
20. 01:06 PM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (John Hauck)
21. 01:17 PM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (Dennis Thate)
22. 01:18 PM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Dennis Thate)
23. 01:24 PM - Re: (John Hauck)
24. 02:16 PM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (chris davis)
25. 02:31 PM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Dennis Thate)
26. 03:25 PM - Re: Latex paint (gliderx5@comcast.net)
27. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Richard Girard)
28. 03:56 PM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Jerry Deckard)
29. 04:36 PM - Kolb Related In That It Flys (Jack B. Hart)
30. 04:58 PM - Next time you camp in your Kolb (Dennis Thate)
31. 05:01 PM - Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. (zeprep251@aol.com)
32. 10:36 PM - Zinc Chromate? (George Bearden)
33. 10:55 PM - Kolb FS1 fuse floor (George Bearden)
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Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
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Subject: | Re: heading to Geneseo |
Bob,
That self-portrait is a good likeness of you. You missed your calling as an arteeeest!
do not archive
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17
launch, root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach
hotel. Almost everything I knew about America had been gleaned from
reading the Saturday Evening Post, particularly the
advertisements,cartoons etc,
Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later.
Also ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of
incredible horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I
discovered later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per
mile than my car did in a month.
But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It
was therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a
can of root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life.
Never had I encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can
to my brother who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked
at each other in disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the
lavatory. Yuck!
Cheers
Pat
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Gang
Im selling my cowl mold. Anyone interested make an offer
Uncle craig
[cid:image003.jpg@01CB8BBF.56AAA730]
Craig Nelson AAS CDT
Technical Manager
HERAEUS
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend IN
86614 USA
Direct 623-764-0680
craig.nelson@heraeus.com
www.heraeus-kulzer-us.com
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
- Pat, if you think root beer is bad then you have never tried coffee mil
k (available only in Rhode Island).
-
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------------------ Bill Sullivan
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------------------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
do not archive
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II
My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
-
That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch,
root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel.- Almos
t everything I knew about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturda
y Evening Post, particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,
Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later. Als
o ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of incredib
le horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I discovered l
ater, steered like the-Nimitz.- they also used more fuel per mile than
my car did in a month.
But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke,-I learned. It w
as therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a can of
root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life. Never had I
encountered such a--horrible tasting drink. I passed the can to my bro
ther who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked at each oth
er in disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the lavatory. Yuck!
-
Cheers
-
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Ladd
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II
My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch,
root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel. Almost
everything I knew about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday
Evening Post, particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,
Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later. Also
ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of incredible
horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I discovered
later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per mile than my
car did in a month.
But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It was
therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a can of
root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life. Never had I
encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can to my brother
who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked at each other in
disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the lavatory. Yuck!
Cheers
Pat
Kolb Friends:
Seems the Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List has turned to BS, with
little or no resemblence to its intended purpose.
The individual members of this List are responsible for the quality of the
List. It will be what we make it.
I haven't flown my Kolb in more than 6 months. Have not seen the MKIII in
more than 3 months. Hopefully, I can get over to the airstrip today to see
if I still have an airplane. I got my my medical renewed while I was still
in physical therapy, back in August, but did not have time to get my BFR
prior to departing West. Got a lot of catching up to do.
Been walking without a cane for two weeks now. Life is getting much better.
Maybe I will be able to get my MKIII out of the hanger by myself. If not, I
can call of friends to come help me push. I think I can get in and out of
it by myself. I know I can operate the rudder pedals with no problem.
Flying should be a piece of cake.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
Hello all,=0A=0AJohn thanks for bringing the recent content of the list to
everyones atten. Seem =0Alike its all about=0Awho can think of the --cutest
-- one liners , and verry little meat and potatos =0Aabout Kokbs and flying
them.=0A- Am planing to move to north Arkansas in Dec--Fayettville or Mo
untin Home most =0Alikely. If there are any=0AKolbers in that area please E
mail me with contact info. Would like to get =0Aaquainted. Thanks.=0A=0AFr
ank Goodnight=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John H
auck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, Nove
mber 24, 2010 9:37:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark
" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Pat
Ladd=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:4
0 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II=0A=0A=0AMy beer,
as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>=0A=0AThat jogged a memory. On
my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch, =0Aroot beer was availa
ble from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel.- Almost =0Aeverything I kne
w about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday =0AEvening Post,
particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,=0AShlitz, the beer that made
Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later. Also =0Aads. for gleaming gre
at cars with tail fins. They had engines of incredible =0Ahorsepower,were b
igger than any truck then in the UK and, I discovered =0Alater, steered lik
e the Nimitz.- they also used more fuel per mile than my =0Acar did in a
month.=0ABut Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learne
d. It was =0Atherefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtaine
d a can of =0Aroot beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life
. Never had I =0Aencountered such a- horrible tasting drink. I passed the
can to my brother =0Awho took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We l
ooked at each other in =0Adisbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down
the lavatory. Yuck!=0A=0ACheers=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0AKolb Friends:=0A=0ASeems t
he Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List has turned to BS, with =0Alittle
or no resemblence to its intended purpose.=0A=0AThe individual members of t
his List are responsible for the quality of the =0AList.- It will be what
we make it.=0A=0AI haven't flown my Kolb in more than 6 months.- Have no
t seen the MKIII in =0Amore than 3 months.- Hopefully, I can get over to
the airstrip today to see =0Aif I still have an airplane.- I got my my me
dical renewed while I was still =0Ain physical therapy, back in August, but
did not have time to get my BFR =0Aprior to departing West.- Got a lot o
f catching up to do.=0A=0ABeen walking without a cane for two weeks now.-
Life is getting much better. =0AMaybe I will be able to get my MKIII out o
f the hanger by myself.- If not, I =0Acan call of friends to come help me
push.- I think I can get in and out of =0Ait by myself.- I know I can
operate the rudder pedals with no problem. =0AFlying should be a piece of c
ake.=0A=0AHappy Thanksgiving everyone!=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIII=0Ahauck's holler
======================
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Am planing to move to north Arkansas in Dec--Fayettville or Mountin Home
most likely. If there are any
Kolbers in that area please E mail me with contact info. Would like to get
aquainted. Thanks.
Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
Recommend looking into a little town called Mountain View, AR. I usually
land their for fuel on my return flights from Oregon. Seems to be a nice
little airport with a lot of really friendly builders and flyers there.
Mountain View is located 36 air miles south of Mountain Home.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
Better move over John. I now have 14 lifetime solo landings. If you stay
out of
your Kolb I figure in 2 or 300 years I'll have as much time as you!
Thanks for the holiday wishes. Right back at ya!
Just one problem, Thanksgiving isn't quite here yet and I've already
gained a gallon of fuel!
Vic
Extra
Maine
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Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
Ah, Pat, that hurts. One of the great memories of my life is going to the A
& W drive in to get a gallon of their root beer to take home. My Grandpa and
I had mugs that we kept in the freezer just for a frosted drink on a hot
afternoon. Nothing finer. Fifty years later it's still one of my favorite
treats even though he's not here to share it with me.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
> My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
>
> That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch,
> root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel. Almost
> everything I knew about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday
> Evening Post, particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,
> Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later.
> Also ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of
> incredible horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I
> discovered later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per
> mile than my car did in a month.
> But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It was
> therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a can of
> root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life. Never had I
> encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can to my brother
> who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked at each other in
> disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the lavatory. Yuck!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like weather
have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private Pilot with
four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of Crow
Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway before I take my plane home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilots with
considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane safely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments only
,Please.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_181.jpg
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Subject: | Novice Kolb Pilot |
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like weather
have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private Pilot with
four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of Crow
Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before I take my plane home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilots with
considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane safely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments only
,Please.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320828#320828
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
You'll hear many support the idea, but crow hopping has been the demise of
many over the years. Especially new tail wheel pilots in new to them
airplanes. These airplanes have very little inertia and speed bleeds
quickly. Crow hopping on hard surface with a new Kolb guy will probably get
something bent.
Perry Rhoads
503 Firestar N2407A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Novice Kolb Pilot
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before
> I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar
> pilots with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this
> airplane safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to
> the point comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own
> facts.? Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320828#320828
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Dennis, Just one comment, pithy and to the point as requested. Crow hopping
is a bad idea, IMHO. You have enough to do on takeoff without adding making
an instant transition to landing. How many crow hops have you done in the G
A
aircraft you've flown? If you're like me, the answer is zero. You say you
want to know how to fly your Firestar safely, so fly it. Take off, go aroun
d
the pattern, set up for landing, land. You won't have any of the muscle
memory and sight picture recognition in your first flights so why compound
your lack of experience with having to make split second corrections in an
abnormal transition from climb to landing.
While you're getting prepared this winter I'd recommend you read "Stick and
Rudder" with particular attention to the concept of "the spot that does not
move" for landing spot aim point recognition, and "The Compleat Taildragger
Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde and his arguments as to why high speed taxiing
a
taildragger is a dangerous thing to do.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>wrote
:
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter lik
e
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring an
d
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway
> before I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilo
ts
> with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane
> safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point
> comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_eis_314.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_181.jpg
>
>
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>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Dennis, Just one comment, pithy and to the point as requested. Crow hopping
is a bad idea, IMHO. You have enough to do on takeoff without adding making
an instant transition to landing. How many crow hops have you done in the G
A
aircraft you've flown? If you're like me, the answer is zero. You say you
want to know how to fly your Firestar safely, so fly it. Take off, go aroun
d
the pattern, set up for landing, land. You won't have any of the muscle
memory and sight picture recognition in your first flights so why compound
your lack of experience with having to make split second corrections in an
abnormal transition from climb to landing.
While you're getting prepared this winter I'd recommend you read "Stick and
Rudder" with particular attention to the concept of "the spot that does not
move" for landing spot aim point recognition, and "The Compleat Taildragger
Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde and his arguments as to why high speed taxiing
a
taildragger is a dangerous thing to do.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>wrote
:
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter lik
e
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring an
d
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway
> before I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilo
ts
> with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane
> safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point
> comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_eis_314.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_181.jpg
>
>
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>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
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Subject: | novice Kolb pilot |
I agree with Perry. It is my opinion that it takes more skill to crow
hop a Kolb then to just fly one. I would tie the Firestar down, and
make sure it will develop full power. Then I would look for a nice
grass strip on a calm day, and give it a go. When you land, approach
fast and hold the FS one or two feet off the ground until it slows
down and lands. Lanny FSII 503 DCDI
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
HINTS TO SAVE YOUR BUTT
1 Fly off of a grass strip, at least in the beginning. Grass helps immensely
in keeping the tail in its preferred position (behind you). Fortunately, the
Firestar has a fairly long fuselage and is not overly sensitive for a tailwheel
airplane.
2 Push stick forward. The Firestar has a high thrust-line for its pusher prop.
When you come back on the throttle, the nose will want to come up; so immediately
the get stick forward to maintain airspeed or bad things will happen.
3 Get some dual time in an airplane absolutely as close in configuration to the
same plane as you will be flying. For you, this will be a Kolb Mark III.
If your intended dual time is in a Cub or Aeronca type airplane, FORGET IT. The
Kolbs are wonderful airplanes but are extremely draggy and with very low wing
loading they react MUCH differently than Cubs or Aeroncas.
4 Practice stalls and engine out landings with an instructor in the Mark III.
5 Congratulate yourself on choosing a fine airplane. You are going to have a
lot of fun, come spring.
P.S. Steps 3 and 4 saved my life. When I was in the beginning stages, a crow
hop scared the crap out of me. I drove to PA for a couple hours of dual instruction
in the factory demonstrator that I credit for saving my butt when things
began to unravel on my first solo flight.
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Thanks All who responded so far
Racer Jerry...I'm told this airplane is very easy to fly but has a peculiar temperament
with it's freewheeling prop to really slows down quickly when you pull
the power back on approach and it takes a steep approach 'stick forward' to
keep the speed up. I did ride in a two seat Demo Kolb at Oshkosh...so I know it's
sink rate is fast.
So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs & Climbs?
Regardless of it' idiosyncrasies I think it's a great design and I'm eager to
master it and fly it safely.
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Dennis,
Besides the other good comments, suggest you download a copy of AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. Both they and the EAA in their manuals on flight test for
homebuilts recommend you do a series of low and high speed taxi tests.
This is *not* crow hopping. You slowly add (very small amounts of)
power on repeated runs. The idea is to be comfortable with accurately
raising the tail and controlling direction with rudder as well as having
an idea of what your landing sight picture will look like.. Suggest you
follow closely the Advisory Circular through First Flight as this will
also have you checking your aircraft condition as well as your piloting
practice for First Landing.
The only other point I would reemphasize is general aviation pilots are
not ready for how fast these high drag/low inertia airplanes slow down
when power is reduced. The remedy is to carry significant power all the
way to touchdown. For example, the Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000
rpm on the Rotax 912S for the first several hours.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
EAA Flight Advisor
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So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs & Climbs?
I have only ever flown my FSII, so I don`t speak for all Kolbs. I
never noticed that I need one or the other (left OR right rudder) on
take-off and climb. I use BOTH right and left, whatever inputs it
takes to keep the aircraft in the middle of the runway. Lanny FSII N598LF
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The remedy is to carry significant power all the way to touchdown. For
example, the Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000 rpm on the Rotax 912S for
the first several hours.
Tom Kuffel
Tom K/Gang:
Don't know about the CH701, but my 912S powered MKIII turns about 2600-3000
rpm in a steep approach at idle power. Been so long I don't really
remember. ;-(
Your points are good.
I would like to add one thing. After you take off and climb to about 1,000
feet AGL, check your stall speed, then on your first approach keep at least
10-15 mph above this indicated stall speed all the way to the ground. Hard
to stall a Kolb and drop one in under those conditions.
There are a lot of bent Kolbs because the pilot did not maintain airspeed
above the stall. We have experienced Kolb pilots that have let themselves
get into that situation. I like to keep a good cross check on my ASI during
approach.
Just got back from Gantt International Airport. Other than a lot of barn
dust, carpenter bee and bird crap, several nice sized mud daubers nest, and
a couple small bites in the top edge of the right seat back, Miss P'fer (P
fer Plane) is good to go. I need to replace the battery, pulled it and kept
it charged while I was gone. Must also check the carb float bowls and add
some fresh fuel to the tank. I left it stored with some avgas and mogas,
plus Marvel Mystery Oil. The MMO seems to do about the same job as Stabil.
My Nissan V6 that sat for 3 months cranked right up and ran like it did when
I parked it. The Nissan did the same thing last year and the year before
that. Have the same sort of luck with Suzuki dirt bike, ATV, lawn tractor,
and antique tractors that spend long periods in storage.
Good to be home,
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Thanks again,
..........To all who contributed good information and especially the AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. . Looks like I'll have it all right in my 'minds eye' when this
Spring comes around again.
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Thanks again,
..........To all who contributed good information and especially the AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. . Looks like I'll have it all right in my 'minds eye' when this
Spring comes around again.
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I use BOTH right and left, whatever inputs it
takes to keep the aircraft in the middle of the runway. Lanny FSII
N598LF
Lanny F/Gang:
Took the words right out of my mouth. I do as you do, fly the airplane
keeping it right down the middle.
That's the secret to flying a Kolb, "fly the airplane, whatever it takes to
be in control".
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
John ,Glad to hear you made home and all was well Hope you and missPfer get
back =0Ain the sky soon watch out for those bugs !Im sure you know about t
hat. your =0Afriend CChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisable
d from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: ope John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.
com=0ASent: Wed, November 24, 2010 4:04:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Ser
ious and to the point comments only ,Please.=0A=0A=0A-=0A-The remedy is
to carry significant power all the way to touchdown.- For =0Aexample, th
e Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000 rpm on the Rotax 912S for the =0Afirst
several hours.=0A-=0ATom Kuffel=0A-=0A-=0ATom K/Gang:=0A-=0ADon't
know about the CH701, but my 912S powered MKIII-turns about 2600-3000 rpm
=0Ain a steep approach at idle power.- Been so long I don't really remem
ber.- ;-(=0A-=0AYour points are good.=0A-=0AI would like to add one t
hing.- After you take off and climb to about 1,000 feet =0AAGL, check you
r stall speed, then on your first approach keep-at least 10-15-mph =0Aa
bove this indicated stall speed all the way to the ground.- Hard to stall
a =0AKolb and drop one in under those conditions.=0A-=0AThere are a lot
of bent Kolbs because the pilot did not maintain airspeed above =0Athe stal
l.- We have experienced Kolb pilots that have let themselves get into =0A
that situation.- I like to keep a good cross check on my ASI during appro
ach.=0A-=0AJust got back from Gantt International Airport.- Other than
a lot of barn dust, =0Acarpenter bee and bird crap, several nice sized mud
daubers nest, and a couple =0Asmall bites in the top edge of the right seat
back, Miss P'fer (P fer Plane) is =0Agood to go.- I need to replace the
battery, pulled it and kept it charged =0Awhile-I was gone.-- Must al
so check the carb float bowls and add some fresh fuel =0Ato the tank.- I
left it stored with some avgas and mogas, plus Marvel Mystery =0AOil.- Th
e MMO seems to do about the same job as Stabil.- My Nissan V6 that sat
=0Afor 3 months cranked right up and ran like it did when I parked it.- T
he Nissan =0Adid the same thing last year and the year before that.- Have
the same sort of =0Aluck with Suzuki dirt bike, ATV, lawn tractor, and ant
ique tractors that spend =0Along periods in storage.=0A-=0AGood to be hom
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
........She's a pretty one !
My new bird...http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N49WR.html
I just became the legal owner today according to the FAA
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Rudder on take off and climb? Because there's no prop in front of you, you
can use a yaw string to determine, well, yaw. Just a small piece of yarn an
d
a reference line (tape, Sharpie line, just has to be dark and thin) and you
r
there. Ignore it on take off and keep to the center of the runway, after
lift off it will be the opposite of what you've learned to do with a ball
(step on the ball). Which rudder pedal you need to press depends on your
prop, your redrive, whether the previous owner put a trim tab on and if
there is a trim tab, how much it's bent. The nice thing about a yaw string,
besides the cost, is that you don't have to think about it a lot, just keep
it on the reference line.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote
:
>
> Thanks All who responded so far
>
> Racer Jerry...I'm told this airplane is very easy to fly but has a peculi
ar
> temperament with it's freewheeling prop to really slows down quickly when
> you pull the power back on approach=85=85=85 and it takes a steep approac
h 'stick
> forward' to keep the speed up. I did ride in a two seat Demo Kolb at
> Oshkosh...so I know it's sink rate is fast.
>
>
> So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs &
> Climbs?
>
> Regardless of it' idiosyncrasies I think it's a great design and I'm
> eager to master it and fly it safely.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320852#320852
>
>
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>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
I was in the same shape back in May.
I have a Firestar with 503.
My prior experience, 0 taildragger hours, 350 in a Challenger II, 50 in a
Quicksilver 50 in GA planes and 2000 in Army helicopters.
I would recommend grass instead of hardsurface.
The GA taildragger may help with the tail dragger part, but not a bit in the
landing an approach. The Kolb glides like a rock. If you get a little slow
and flare at 10 feet, it will drop.
Get some time in a Kolb Mark III if possible, next after that may be a
quicksilver, then a challenger or hawk.
I don't about the hawk, but the challenger glides much better than a
firestar.
I did fast taxi on grass untill I was confident on the ground handling. The
I took off. The first few landing, keep up the speed, keep and power in it
and fly it to the ground.
Good luck, these are fun planes to fly.
Jerry
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From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Novice Kolb Pilot
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before
> I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar
> pilots with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this
> airplane safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to
> the point comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own
> facts.? Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
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Subject: | Kolb Related In That It Flys |
Have a good day tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGUnTsunNOA
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Next time you camp in your Kolb |
Keep this story in mind....it's True !
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/3370-an-appetite-for-revenge
http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/wanderer/2009/11/10/bears-just-one-more-flying-hazard-in-alaska/
During a private "fly-in" fishing excursion in the Alaskan wilderness, the chartered
pilot and fishermen left a cooler and bait in the plane. And a bear smelled
it. This is what the bear did to the plane.
The pilot used his radio and had another pilot bring him 2 new tires, 3 cases of
duct tape, and a supply of sheet plastic. He patched the plane together, and
FLEW IT HOME !
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Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Dennis,
The only thing I would add to those previous comments is make your first fl
ight a longer one.It takes time to get the feel of something this light.The
best place to practice approaches is at altitude,and stall it if you are c
omfortable enough,or just fly it as slow as you can and maneuver it a bit.Y
ou're gonna like it,I think it's Homers"Most fun to fly aircraft".I put 600
hrs on my FS2 and have almost that much on the MK-3 now.
G.Aman MK-3 C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 11:53 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please.
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private P
ilot
with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150
's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of C
row
Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway before I take my plane
home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilot
s
with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane sa
fely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments o
nly
,Please.
--------
"=C3=A2=C2=C2=9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not hi
s own facts.=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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I have some abraded areas on my fuse frame (FS1). The paint/primer/sealer
stuff on there now is a greenish color. Is it safe to assume this is zinc
chromate?
I need to touch it up- where do you suppose I should go to get some more
paint? What kind should I use? Will spray on one part stuff stick to 2-part?
Should I get 2-part zinc chromate primer? I really only need a very little
and didn't want to invest heavily in the stuff. Maybe if you-all concur it
is zinc chromate, maybe a local flier has some left over. I unnerstan this
stuff costs lots to ship as it is a hazardous material.
Thanks
GeoB
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Subject: | Kolb FS1 fuse floor |
I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone
extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine
has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends
before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems
vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks just
use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus
more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think?
GeoB
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