---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/25/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:18 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:43 AM - Kolb floor (Lanny Fetterman) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (abumhoffer) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/24/10 (Bob Green) 4. 06:25 AM - Re: Zinc Chromate? (Richard Girard) 5. 06:32 AM - Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor (Richard Girard) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor (willuribe@aol.com) 7. 09:19 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (racerjerry) 8. 09:42 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (racerjerry) 9. 11:06 AM - Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor (Richard Pike) 10. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:34 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: What Are You Thankful For...? Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:34 AM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb floor George, My FSII cockpit is covered with fabric on the outside. On the inside there is an aluminum plate that extends to about my hips when seated in the pilots seat. Not only does this protect the fabric, but it also allowed me to mount my radio and other accessories to my floor using rivnuts. Lanny N598LF ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:34 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot From: "abumhoffer" Get your dual time in an Ultralight or light sport tail dragger and fly it to the ground when landing. Al -------- Al Bumhoffer, Elkton, MI, Aerolite 103 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321000#321000 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:30 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/24/10 John H. Glad you are back and preparing to fly. Sure do miss your input on the list when you are down. Bob VW MKIIIX builder ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Zinc Chromate? From: Richard Girard George, The problem with any one part paint is it is easy prey for solvents. If you have to do a fabric repair the solvent in the glue will ruin the paint and the fabric won't stick. Almost any epoxy primer is resistant to solvent once it is fully cured. O'Reilly's Auto parts stocks a line of epoxy primers that can be bought in qts and is about half the price of Polyfiber's epoxy primer. When I talked with the engineer at the company whose products O'Reilly's sells he assured me of its ability to withstand even MEK. Rick Girard On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:32 AM, George Bearden wrote: > > I have some abraded areas on my fuse frame (FS1). The paint/primer/sealer > stuff on there now is a greenish color. Is it safe to assume this is zinc > chromate? > > I need to touch it up- where do you suppose I should go to get some more > paint? What kind should I use? Will spray on one part stuff stick to > 2-part? > Should I get 2-part zinc chromate primer? I really only need a very little > and didn't want to invest heavily in the stuff. Maybe if you-all concur it > is zinc chromate, maybe a local flier has some left over. I unnerstan this > stuff costs lots to ship as it is a hazardous material. > > Thanks > GeoB > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb FS1 fuse floor From: Richard Girard I used 1/4" Birch plywood in my Mk IIIC and made it just big enough to rest my heels on comfortably. Cheap, light, easy to replace, and I attached it with MS21919 (Adel) clamps so there's no need to drill holes in the fuselage tubing. Rick Girard On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:53 AM, George Bearden wrote: > > I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone > extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine > has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends > before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems > vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks > just > use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus > more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think? > > GeoB > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb FS1 fuse floor From: willuribe@aol.com Greetings George, The floor installed on each side of the pilot is used on the FireStar II, it is used for the rear passenger to put his/her feet. I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and end s before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks ju st use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think? GeoB ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot From: "racerjerry" HINTS(cont.) 6. Perform a weight and balance check with you in the airplane. Buy / borrow three cheap bathroom scales, weigh the airplane, calculate the center of gravity and verify that the CG is within limits as specified by the manufacturer. Take care to eliminate any sideways bind at the main wheel scales that could distort readings. I hope that you received the builders manual with the airplane. CG limits and W&B procedures are in the manual. OR YOU CAN WING IT If you dont have enough up elevator authority to flare for landing below 70 mph, you are probably NOSE HEAVY If you enter a non-recoverable stall, you are probably TAIL HEAVY -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321024#321024 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot From: "racerjerry" HINTS(cont.) 7. Insure that your airplane has the mass balance rods for the ailerons installed. Flexing of the long torque tube for the ailerons opens the possibility of encountering aileron flutter. During a high speed dive, it is often impossible to slow the airplane quickly enough before one or more ailerons separate from the aircraft. The Firestar operates much better with ailerons attached. Properly installed, and adjusted to balance the aileron, the mass balance rods eliminate flutter concerns. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321027#321027 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor From: "Richard Pike" GeoB wrote: > I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone > extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine > has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends > before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems > vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks just > use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus > more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think? > > GeoB If you use fabric, you can pick up a small piece of carpet that compliments the paint scheme and cut out 2 triangles to fit in around the diagonal crossmember, and that will protect your fabric from dropped sharp objects. Also it is easy to take out and clean. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321032#321032 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:48 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot >Buy / borrow three cheap bathroom scales=2C weigh the airplane=2C calculat e the center of gravity and verify that the CG is within limits as >specifi ed by the manufacturer. > Jerry King Jery=2C Important point about the W&B. I don't think you need 3 scales=2C tho. If a guy can determine the scale's thickness=2C and then come up with 2 "whatevers" of the same thickn ess ( blocks of wood=2C telephone books=2C kid's textbooks) a guy could get away with just one scal e. Example=3B my relatively accurate digital (bathroom) scale is 1 3/4" thi ck=2C and so are a couple of parts catalogs I've got. By jocking the scale from one wheel to the other=2C tra ding catalogs as you go=2C you could come up with a pretty darn good W&B. (plus=2C using only one sca le helps reduce error factors from using multiple scales.) The primary concern is=2C of course=2C making sure the plane is always si tting in the same position per reading. I still think you brought up an important point about the W&B. 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