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0. 12:09 AM - Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:52 AM - Re: First Flight (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
2. 08:14 AM - Affordable Safety ! (Dennis Thate)
3. 08:30 AM - Re: Affordable Safety ! (John Hauck)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Affordable Safety ! (John Hauck)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: Affordable Safety ! (John Hauck)
6. 08:45 AM - Kolb Aircraft Insurance (John Hauck)
7. 09:13 AM - any kolbers west coast canada (sean)
8. 09:27 AM - Re: First Flight (zeprep251@aol.com)
9. 10:11 AM - Re: First Flight (John Hauck)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: First Flight (GARY JINDRA)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: First Flight (robert bean)
12. 01:22 PM - Re: First Flight (GARY JINDRA)
13. 01:41 PM - Re: First Flight (zeprep251@aol.com)
14. 03:43 PM - Re: First Flight (John Hauck)
15. 03:53 PM - Re: First Flight (John Hauck)
16. 04:47 PM - rotax 582 and firestar 2 question (sean)
17. 05:55 PM - Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question (Dana Hague)
18. 06:36 PM - Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question (Larry Cottrell)
19. 07:20 PM - Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question (Richard Pike)
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Subject: | Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... |
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
welcome back to the skys John after a long recovery period
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:04 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for
my
KIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
as Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on he
r
irframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite al
l
he barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
easpoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
loat bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
ach of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break
.
irst time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running
.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
o making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
light down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
alley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
aybe tomorrow.
john h
itus, Alabama
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Subject: | Affordable Safety ! |
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb Firestar
II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to people and
all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very important point, if
so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
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Shaw
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Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb
Firestar II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to
people and all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very
important point, if so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
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?~?~Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.?T?T
George Bernard Shaw
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Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
Insurance question?
Dennis
Check out EAA endorsed insurance from Falcon. I have used them for some
time now.
Premiums will be based on total flight hours, time in make and model, and
past pilot history.
I pay 1,200.00 a year for 30,000.00 hull coverage and liability
(1,000,000.00), based on 5,000+ hours in Kolbs, plus 3,000+ hours in make
and model.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
Hi Gang:
Sorry about this one. Had a round cook off and computer fired before I was
ready.
BTW, the subject line should be "insurance".
Don't think insurance buys an aviator "affordable safety".
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb
Firestar II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to
people and all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very
important point, if so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
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?~?~Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.?T?T
George Bernard Shaw
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Subject: | Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
Insurance question?
Dennis
Here is the url for EAA insurance:
http://www.eaa.org/insurance/
Forgot to paste it in previous. ;-(
Getting old ain't easy.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | any kolbers west coast canada |
looking for some kolb hours, any kolbers west coast Canada or PNW in general? I
live Vancouver Island !
Cheers,
Sean :D
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
John,
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If they
are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from JB
M that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have
a get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning thi
s time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:10 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for my
MKIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
has Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on he
r
airframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite al
l
the barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
teaspoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
float bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
each of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break.
First time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running
.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
to making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
flight down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
Valley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
Maybe tomorrow.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If they
are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from JBM
that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have a
get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning this
time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
G.Aman/Gang:
They seem to be a little longer than the Rotax springs. I put a couple
Rotax springs on it yesterday to fly. They were stretched pretty tight.
I'll have to measure the gap between the hooks to decide on the size spring
I need.
Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
Set a date and get some good weather. I'll be ready to go. Anywhere in
Florida is less than a one day flight, normally...
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
jbmindustries@att.net
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
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G.Aman/Gang:
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Do you have a url for "JBM"?- I can not find them with a Google search.
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john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
this will work mo betta:
http://jbmindustries.com/
BB
On 28, Nov 2010, at 2:41 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
>
> jbmindustries@att.net
>
>
> Gary Jindra
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
> G.Aman/Gang:
>
>
> Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com
> /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com
> ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com
> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
sorry about that,that was his email.the .com is correct
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
this will work mo betta:
http://jbmindustries.com/
BB
On 28, Nov 2010, at 2:41 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
jbmindustries@att.net
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
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G.Aman/Gang:
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Do you have a url for "JBM"?- I can not find them with a Google search.
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john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
John,
His web site,JBM industries.com.He makes rubber products,carb sockets etc t
hat are less expensive and far outlast anything on the market.I fly with hi
m all summer
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If the
y are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from J
BM that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have
a get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning th
is time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
G.Aman/Gang:
They seem to be a little longer than the Rotax springs. I put a couple Rot
ax springs on it yesterday to fly. They were stretched pretty tight. I'll
have to measure the gap between the hooks to decide on the size spring I n
eed.
Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
Set a date and get some good weather. I'll be ready to go. Anywhere in Fl
orida is less than a one day flight, normally...
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
His web site,JBM industries.com.He makes rubber products,carb sockets etc
that are less expensive and far outlast anything on the market.I fly with
him all summer
Thanks, Gary/Gang:
I ordered 6 each from him tonight. I'll stick the two extras in the
airplane just in case they are not quite as good as you guys say they are.
;-)
Thanks for the info.
Got another .7 late this afternoon. Recalibrated my airspeed indicator.
Feels better to be indicating 85 mph cruise at 5,000 than 90 mph. Now is
indicating 38 mph stall clean and 30 mph stall at 30 mph. Shooting my
approaches at 50 mph is comfortable.
For Tom Kuffle: I was wrong when I said my 912ULS indicates 2,500 to 3,000
rpm with the throttle closed gliding. It is more like 2,000 rpm. It idles
1,600 rpm on the ground static.
Pulling the nose up to 35 mph from 5,000 rpm cruise, not touching the
throttle, she was climbing 1,800 fpm at 1,500 msl with about 1/2 tank (12.5
gal) fuel. That was clean of course.
Thought the engine oil temp gauge had gone belly up on me while flying. On
the ground I discovered I had knocked the clip loose from the oil temp
sender. The stiffness of the wire was holding it up againt the contact, but
it was not clipped on. Was ready to buy a new sender or gauge.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Got another .7 late this afternoon. Recalibrated my airspeed indicator.
Feels better to be indicating 85 mph cruise at 5,000 than 90 mph. Now is
indicating 38 mph stall clean and 30 mph stall at 30 mph. Shooting my
approaches at 50 mph is comfortable.
Hi Gang:
I need to proof read my msgs before I hit the send button, instead of
proofing them when they come up on the Kolb List.
"Feels better to be indicating actual airspeed rather than 5 mph plus.
Today it was cruising 85 mph at 5,000 rpm instead of 90 mph at 5,000 like it
was yesterday. Now it is indicating 38 mph clean stall and 30 mph stall
with full flaps. Shooting approaches at 50 mph indicated is comfortable and
more familiar to me."
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
Frst off thx for a very informative site here. I recently obtained my advanced
ultralight pilot permit here in Canada which is very similar to your lightsport
in the united states.
Ideally for me a Kolb Mark 3 xtra with a mono float and 912s would do the trick
! Can someone lend me $15000 - $20000 ?
In the event that the xtra cash doesnt materialize plan B is a firestar 2 with
a Full Lotus monofloat !
My question is why I dont see very many firestars with 582's and what the pro's
here think the difference will be between the 2 engines with the mono float application
?
Cheers,
Sean
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Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
At 07:44 PM 11/28/2010, sean wrote:
>My question is why I dont see very many firestars with 582's and what the
>pro's here think the difference will be between the 2 engines with the
>mono float application ?
My friend has a FSII with a 503 and it's delightful, great performance (on
wheels). He put Full Lotus amphib floats (two floats, not the monofloat)
on it and said it flies like a cinder block. I only flew it with wheels,
and it makes me (as a Cuyuna powered UltraStar owner) jealous. Without
float, it doesn't _need_ a 582.
-Dana
--
Chaste: why virgins run.
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Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
The main problem with a 582 is that it burns about 5.5 gallons of gas an
hour while only producing 65 hp. The extra weight is a problem as well.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
The reason you don't see many FSII's with 582's is because the vertical fuselage
tubes at the back end of the cage were not designed to take the extra torque
the 582 makes. When I was talking to the guys at Kolb several years ago prior
to putting together our 582 powered FSII, they told me that if I hit a sharp
thermal or turbulence in a full throttle climb, they couldn't guarantee that the
tubes at the rear of the cage (supporting the motor mounts and rear spar carrythrough)
would maintain integrity, because they were of a lesser wall thickness
than the MKIII tubes. Which would probably result in the classic slow cars
and sad music ceremony.
So that is why the motor mounts on N582EF have extra braces on them independent
of the normal upper rear cage structure. And all is good.
And for Larry: compare the weight between the 503 and the 582. Quite an eye opener.
According to the CPS "Rotax Engine Comparisons" on page 27 of my 2005 catalog,
the 503 with C box, dual carbs and electric start is 113.9 pounds. The 582
with the same stuff plus radiator is 110.6. After you add coolant, they will
not be different enough to matter.
The bonus comes at cruise, N582EF in it's previous incarnation cruised at 60 mph
at 3 GPH at 4800 rpm. This time around it's a bit slicker. And for those who
think Rotax 2-strokes must be run at 5800 rpm, um... can't do it - the airspeed
is pushing redline by that point. So you can only use the extra power in
climb, but at cruise, a loafing engine becomes a very good (and quiet) thing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
And for a bonus - was planning to wait a few days until the final touches were
done, but today we had it all together getting ready for the inspector and a couple
more details, so took a few pictures and here she is. Before and after pictures.
Haven't even pulled the plastic sheet off the Lexan yet...
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