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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance (Thom Riddle)
2. 08:05 AM - Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2 (Richard Pike)
3. 09:40 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kolb-List=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_t?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?anks_=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS-2? (robert bean)
4. 09:49 AM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Kolb=2DList=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_tanks_?= =?windows-1252?Q?=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS=2D2? (Richard Neilsen)
5. 09:54 AM - Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2 (miyer2u)
6. 10:40 AM - safety wire clamp (PCKing)
7. 01:06 PM - Re: safety wire clamp (Richard Neilsen)
8. 02:03 PM - Re: safety wire clamp (Thom Riddle)
9. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: safety wire clamp (Richard Neilsen)
10. 03:05 PM - Re: safety wire clamp (Thom Riddle)
11. 06:33 PM - Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?? (Richard Pike)
12. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Adding additional fuel tanks in the jump seat area (Jon LaVasseur)
13. 07:08 PM - Ran the 582 today (Richard Pike)
14. 08:23 PM - Re: Ran the 582 today (william sullivan)
15. 09:44 PM - red tape (robert bean)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
I have the First Flight liability insurance on my Slingshot, which is the agency
that USUA and some other groups use for insurance.
http://www.firstflightinsurance.com/associations.htm
You must be a member of USUA to get this insurance. Here is a link to the particulars,
including coverage, limitations and cost.
http://www.firstflightinsurance.com/documents/USUAWebsiteWording_006.pdf
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was collected
after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so no info
to share.
But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals welded from
what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side vertical tubes,
and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to the upper cross brace
to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray now sits on those lower
two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to attach to the carrying handles
on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly any wiggles, very secure.
Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks, the primer
bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray, center) will
not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it, after we
take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is installed.
The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the ANR headset.
More pictures later.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kolb-List=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_t?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?anks_=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS-2?
That looks very nice Richard. Almost makes me want to clean up my floor :)
My Facet will pull from an empty line through a top pick up in a matter of seconds
using the 40105 lowest pressure output pump. -Located below the tank bottom.
BB
On 3, Dec 2010, at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was collected
after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so no info
to share.
>
> But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals welded
from what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side vertical tubes,
and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to the upper cross
brace to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray now sits on those
lower two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to attach to the carrying handles
on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly any wiggles, very secure.
>
> Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks, the
primer bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray, center) will
not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
>
> Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
>
> The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it, after
we take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is installed.
>
> The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the ANR
headset.
>
> More pictures later.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322171#322171
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6gallonmod_227.jpg
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| Subject: | =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Kolb=2DList=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_tanks_?= |
=?windows-1252?Q?=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS=2D2?
Richard/All
I looked at your poor man's gascolator again and noticed you use one of
those rubber bushings that you refuse to put in your fuel tanks. You seem to
be inconsistent. Properly installed (maybe I have been lucky) they don't
leak. I carefully drill with a step drill and debur the holes.
Any way you can get a certified style gascolator at Great Plains Aircraft
for under $40 and not have to use those as you say leaky rubber bushings at
all.
I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh that
makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy
end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and have
been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the
traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps in
a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already. I likely have
more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
>
> Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was
> collected after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so
> no info to share.
>
> But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals
> welded from what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side
> vertical tubes, and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to
> the upper cross brace to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray
> now sits on those lower two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to
> attach to the carrying handles on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly
> any wiggles, very secure.
>
> Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks,
> the primer bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray,
> center) will not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
>
> Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here:
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the
> line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
>
> The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it,
> after we take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is
> installed.
>
> The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the
> ANR headset.
>
> More pictures later.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322171#322171
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6gallonmod_227.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
Gene and Richard,
Thanks for all the information. Richard, appreciate that you have a good web page
and you help share lot of useful information for Kolb builders.
PS: Gene, I am in full synch with what you said.Longer XCs call for more biological
needs and I suppose I need to add Little John as listed on the Sportys catalogue
to my shopping list :-))
Wish you all a good one!
Mahesh Iyer
FS-2, Ashland,OR
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| Subject: | safety wire clamp |
Rick,
What size wire are you using with the safety wire tool? I bought one too
but haven't used it yet.
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding additional fuel tanks
?" Jump Seat ?" FS-2
I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh
that makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp
pointy end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them
and have been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than
the traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old
clamps in a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already.
I likely have more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
I don't remember the wire size. It is the safety wire that Kolb sent with m
y
kit. My plane is back in Michigan and I'm in Florida for the winter so I
can't check. The tool is a pain to use in spite of the how easy they make i
t
seem. Depending on the need you can vary the number of wraps to get most an
y
strength. It works well but you need enough clearance around the fitting to
swing the tool to get it to lock.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:37 PM, PCKing <pc.king@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> What size wire are you using with the safety wire tool? I bought one too
> but haven't used it yet.
>
> PCKing
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 12:47 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding additional fuel tanks
=93
> Jump Seat =93 FS-2
>
> I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh th
at
> makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy
> end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and hav
e
> been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the
> traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps
in
> a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already. I likely h
ave
> more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
FWIW, .020" safety wire tends to cut into flexible tubing and is easy to break.
.041" is over kill. I don't have any .025 which might be okay but use .032 on
most things and it works well for hose clamping. I've never seen a special tool
for this nor felt a need for one.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
Tom
I obviously don't know as much as you but... Check out this web site
http://www.clamptitetools.com/Instructions.html
The tool is a pain but does allow for a very uniform clamp as tight as you
want. It is a bit over priced for what it is. It has never cut into any
tubing I have used it on but don't think I have ever used .020 safety wire.
As always the information is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, .020" safety wire tends to cut into flexible tubing and is easy to
> break. .041" is over kill. I don't have any .025 which might be okay but
use
> .032 on most things and it works well for hose clamping. I've never seen
a
> special tool for this nor felt a need for one.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322204#322204
>
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
Rick,
.....I obviously don't know as much as you but...
That is not obvious at all. You have no idea how little I know about lots of stuff.
But I have done a fair amount of safety wiring and use it for lots of things,
including hose clamps when I don't have the right size on hand. When I get
the right size I usually will replace the safety wire, not because it does not
work but I prefer to use good hose clamps designed for the job.
I'll check out the tool link.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q??
neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Richard/All
>
> I looked at your poor man's gascolator again and noticed you use one of those
rubberbushings that you refuse to put in your fuel tanks. You seem to be inconsistent.
Properly installed (maybe I have been lucky) they don't leak. I carefully
drill with a step drill and debur the holes.
>
> Any way you can get a certified style gascolator at Great Plains Aircraft for
under $40 and not have to use those as you say leaky rubber bushings at all.
>
> I alsouse safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh that makes
a fine safety wire clampand doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy end. I
have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and have been real
happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the traditional clamps.
It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps in a box as I replace them
and I havesaved a few pounds already. Ilikely have more clamps than normal
but every bit helps.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> [b]
Don't remember saying anything about leaky rubber bushings, maybe I did, didn't
see it anywhere. The reason we put them up top is because the six gallon tanks
seemed to be a bit thinner wall thickness than the five gallons tanks that were
in there before. Maybe not, but they seemed that way to me.
Don't remember refusing to use rubber bushings on the bottom of fuel tanks, we
used the rubber bushings in the underside of the previous five gallon tanks and
they worked fine, but somehow I just didn't feel too good about doing the same
thing with the six gallon tanks.
And besides, doing the safety wiring on the plumbing is so much easier when things
are up top...
Roger on the box full of heavy old hose clamps... Me too.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks in the jump seat area |
Hi Gang,
My Firestar II has been flying for years with two 5 gallon tanks in the standard
rear position and two additional 5 gallon tanks in the jump seat area. The two
tanks in the rear area feed out of the bottomin series so the rear most tank
empties first. The two tanks forward which feed out of their tops are in a
custom aluminum box. The box mounts with four bolts and thereis a quick
disconnecton the fuel line coming out of the box so it can be removed quickly
for a passenger. It is also secured by the rear seat belt. Another quick
disconnect is in-line between the two tanks in the box so on short trips only
one tank need be filled. The whole setup is controlled by an A-B valve mounted
within reach in-flight so fuel can be taken from the front or the rear at will.
The standard pulse fuel pump handles the system nicely and weight and balance is
manageable for a 150 # pilot.
I do not have any readily available pictures but if anyone is interested in the
setup some could be posted.
Jon L
Minnesota
N503KF
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| Subject: | Ran the 582 today |
Did a bit more work today, it is supposed to snow tomorrow and then be colder than
a bear, so had to get it while we could. Engine ran good, but got a wire connected
wrong somewhere, the water temp gauge doesn't work, neither do the kill
switches. Ya think I got em' switched? [Rolling Eyes]
Here's some pictures-
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Ran the 582 today |
- Looking good!- How is Ed doing?
-
do not archive
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---------------------Bill Sulliva
n
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-------------------- Windsor locks,
Ct.
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-------------------- FS 447
--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
Did a bit more work today, it is supposed to snow tomorrow and then be cold
er than a bear, so had to get it while we could. Engine ran good, but got a
wire connected wrong somewhere, the water temp gauge doesn't work, neither
do the kill switches. Ya think I got em' switched?- [Rolling Eyes]
Here's some pictures-
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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le, List Admin.
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Here are some of the legislative initiatives on the horizon:
http://tinyurl.com/2bbnpsf
in my not so humble opinion this anti-terrorist bs has gone too far.
If they get too ambitious with said bs, even at my age, I will go Jack
Hart's route.
If they come up with more restrictions after that they can KMA.
BB
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