---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/08/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: Merry Dawn (Thom Riddle) 2. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (robert bean) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Merry Dawn (Thom Riddle) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (robert bean) 5. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (John Hauck) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (Herb) 7. 07:03 AM - Re: battery rejuvenator forum... (Herb) 8. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (robert bean) 9. 11:05 AM - Re: Novice Kolb Pilot (Dennis Thate) 10. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Merry Dawn (b young) 11. 06:53 PM - Re: non corrosive sealants (John T. Schmidt) 12. 09:57 PM - Re: Merry Dawn (GeoB) 13. 10:09 PM - Re: Merry Dawn (GeoB) 14. 10:40 PM - Re: Merry Dawn (GeoB) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "Thom Riddle" GeoB, Do you have a link to this $35 wonder? I googled battery rejuvenator and only clicked on the first result....$1600 for some very sophisticated devise. I lost interest very quickly at that price. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322650#322650 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: robert bean I ordered one recently for my seldom driven porsche. Battery Minder from Amazon, the vendor is Northern Tool. Price, including shipping was $47.86 BB On 8, Dec 2010, at 7:47 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > GeoB, > > Do you have a link to this $35 wonder? I googled battery rejuvenator and only clicked on the first result....$1600 for some very sophisticated devise. I lost interest very quickly at that price. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322650#322650 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "Thom Riddle" Bob, Do you mean this? http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 If so, I have one. I thought a "rejuvenator" was something else, that magically restores batteries that no longer hold a charge. I leave this connected to my Slingshot battery all winter (and only winter) to keep it fresh and it does the job well, as far as I can tell. I've never tried it to "rejuvenate" a battery that would no longer hold a charge. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322659#322659 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: robert bean Looks like the same one. It is supposed to do the same thing. Obviously a $35 unit won't perform the same as a $1000 one. BB Today would be a good day to transfer my remaining "av gas" from the plane to the snow plow. On 8, Dec 2010, at 9:09 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Bob, > > Do you mean this? > > http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 > > If so, I have one. I thought a "rejuvenator" was something else, that magically restores batteries that no longer hold a charge. I leave this connected to my Slingshot battery all winter (and only winter) to keep it fresh and it does the job well, as far as I can tell. > > I've never tried it to "rejuvenate" a battery that would no longer hold a charge. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322659#322659 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 If so, I have one. Thom Riddle Thom R/Folks: Did you note this on Northern Tools web page? a.. Not for use with aircraft batteries Must be a "liability" issue. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - 25F with a chance of snow flurries. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:34 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn A battery charger and a battery rejuvenator are nearly the same thing... They both remove the sulfate from the plates...Sulfate begins to form the minute a battery is unused... The Rejuvenator , a home built one, seems to be no more than a diode and some 100 watt light bulbs in series /parallel on the diode leg to reduce the current to abt 4 to 500 ma.. Plugged into an ac outlet...Three bulbs in series /parallel would give 1.5 amps roughly.. The diode goes to the positive terminal with the cathode . black band., pointing to the post.. The other side of the ac cord goes directly to the neg post.. So the other side of the ac cord goes to 0ne to three 100 watt light bulb in series/parallel with a 3 or 4 amp diode . The diode being the closest item to the positive terminal.. The idea is to hit the plates with a low current high voltage , half wave pulse...This knocks the sulfate from the plates where it settles to the bottom... After an hour or so...(minding the temperature of the battery) it should be upended into a plastic tray and flushed with distilled water to get most of the sulfate crystals out...Filter the acid from the tray and add it back to the battery...top up with distilled water or battery acid..and charge..Naturally it will not work on shorted plates or open plates... All of this from 1 hour of reading on the net...Do it outside...and away from anything that could be ruined if the battery should explode..:-) Not particularly dangerous I think...I plan to give it a try... This site has the schematic...as well as a good explanation of the problem and cure...Herb http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/166271-battery-rejuvenator.html At 06:47 AM 12/8/2010, you wrote: > >GeoB, > >Do you have a link to this $35 wonder? I googled >battery rejuvenator and only clicked on the >first result....$1600 for some very >sophisticated devise. I lost interest very quickly at that price. > >-------- >Thom Riddle >Buffalo, NY (9G0) >Kolb Slingshot SS-021 >Jabiru 2200A #1574 >Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > >Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. >Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322650#322650 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:45 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List:battery rejuvenator forum... Here is a link to a 15 dollar,plus shipping, kit on Ebay... It uses 30 volt pulses to do the job...at 1.25 khz...takes up to three weeks... Herb http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-volts-lead-acid-battery-desulfator-kit-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4154db39c4QQitemZ280596527556QQptZAutomotiveQ5fServices ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: robert bean Maybe they are referring to gel-cell? I could see a problem if the battery was unable to vent properly and could explode? I did have a cap bang past my head one time. Startling. BB On 8, Dec 2010, at 9:32 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 > > If so, I have one. > > Thom Riddle > > > > Thom R/Folks: > > Did you note this on Northern Tools web page? > > a.. Not for use with aircraft batteries > > Must be a "liability" issue. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama - 25F with a chance of snow flurries. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Novice Kolb Pilot From: "Dennis Thate" Gleamed from all this is...Air Speed, Pitch Control...Wheel Landings ! And a positive safe attitude. Not much different then a Goldwing :) -------- Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard Shaw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322688#322688 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pitch_control_130.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:37 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn Cristal I'm running a D-6 Harley Davidson spill proof battery.It fits in the box and it's been good for 3 years now.No idea what it cost's,but it has higher cranking amps than anything I could find that size at NAPA. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am using a battery from a jump start from harbor freight. the jump start cost $38.00 or there bouts... back when I bought it the same battery from Arizona battery was around 50.00 to 55.00 now they have a 18 amp hour for 38.75 and a 22 amp hour for 44.00 very little size and weight difference. I am sure they would add frt. to the cost. when the battery was 5 years old and still working well... I ordered a replacement battery from harbor frt. seems it was 18.00 and 6 to 8 for freight down side it took 3 months to get it. sure it came slow boat from china. it is about 5 years old now and still working well. at the time I ordered 2 batteries... one for the plane and one to put back in the jump start, 2 bats, 36.00 8.00 frt.. for both. at least that is what I remember these batteries are Absorption Glass Mat (AGM) Sealed Batteries Boyd young mkiii ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non corrosive sealants From: "John T. Schmidt" Good evening, once again I will be at the Sebring LSA expo air show in booths 105/106 and on display will be my made in the USA AeroLIFE Products. Check out my web site www.aerolifeindustries.com and talk about non corrosive sealants that's all I make as well as my FTS fuel tank sealant in one part or in two part. So, stop by and say hello the Show is from Jan 20 to the 23rd and we even give away free samples. Have a safe trip down, see you at the show. Sincerely, John T. Schmidt, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322711#322711 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "GeoB" Thom Riddle wrote: > GeoB, Do you have a link to this $35 wonder? I am not sure how to answer this. When I checked a few days ago there was one for $34.99. Today I see one like mine at $37.00. In 2008 I paid $25.99 each for two. See http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Desulfator-Saver-AGM-SLA-Gel-Wheelchair-Jetski-/200550605348?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb1bf6224 I get a little uneasy when people start putting words in my mouth. I hope you were not attributing the word 'wonder' to me. Everything I have said is factual. I do not intend to imply or endorse anything beyond my own experience with these things. > I googled battery rejuvenator Yeah, 'desulfator' is a much better word. There exist products that are poured into a battery- I have never used one and don't intend to- and I think 'rejuvenator' is a term that they use. GeoB -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322721#322721 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "GeoB" Thom Riddle wrote: > Bob, I thought a "rejuvenator" was something else This device does both- it maintains a charge at a low amperage. It will keep the battery charged without boiling out all the water, or building up pressure in a sealed battery. It also has a desulfator function. I use a float charger like these also but mine come from Harbor Freight for around $5 on sale. They do not have a desulfator function like the Northern Tool model. This sounds like a great combination because desulfator or not, you need a float charger on batteries during storage. > that magically restores batteries that no longer hold a charge. Having a BS in electronics, I prefer the scientific explanation. GeoB -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322722#322722 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "GeoB" > it should be upended into a plastic tray and flushed with distilled water to get most of the sulfate crystals out... I would like to mention that no step like this is required when using the modern desulfators. It doesn't knock off chunks. To my understanding, which may be incomplete or in error, the physical action takes place at the meeting of the surface of the crystal and the current-carrying electrolyte. These is no heavy current melting a crystal like some do to 'rejuvenate Ni-cads. Actual specific chemical bonds are excited to a higher energy state. This weakens and breaks them freeing them to go back into solution. The atoms from the crystals go back into solution in an ionic state, and continue their normal and necessary function as part of the electrolyte. I have never shorted out a battery (with detritus building up under the plates) because of desulfating. If there is a chemist in the house, listen to him not me. I took twice the number of chemistry classes than required for my engineering degree, but that was a long time ago and my brain needs desulfated. GeoB -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322723#322723 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.