---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/09/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Fw: challenger nose wheel (Ted Cowan) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Merry Dawn (Thom Riddle) 3. 08:01 AM - Re: Battery rejuvenators/chargers (Herb) 4. 09:26 AM - HDPE tanks (Mike Welch) 5. 10:06 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (Dana Hague) 6. 10:15 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (robert bean) 7. 10:29 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (william sullivan) 8. 10:40 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (robert bean) 9. 11:05 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (Carolina Flyer) 10. 11:13 AM - Re: HDPE tanks (Stephen Spence) 11. 03:53 PM - Re: HDPE tanks (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 12. 04:01 PM - Re: HDPE tanks (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 13. 04:23 PM - Re: HDPE tanks (robert bean) 14. 05:29 PM - Re: HDPE tanks (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 15. 10:42 PM - Re: Re: HDPE tanks (Ron @ KFHU) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:31 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: challenger nose wheel >>> would like to say that the frail nose wheels of the challengers are not >>> all that bad. lost an engine while only about five hundred feet and no >>> good place to go. did a hard banking dive to get to an LZ. picked up >>> too much speed so I told the guy up front to hold the break real hard >>> but not to take the stick from me. I forced it down on the mains and >>> the nose wheel hit real hard and colapsed under the plane. it acted >>> like a break and we skidded to a safe stop with minimal damage. learned >>> that trick from george travis at smiths station a long time ago. will >>> never fly with a squeeze bulb again. I much prefer being able to put my >>> little sling shot down where I want it when I want it. question to >>> someone smarter than me. I think I have isolated the rum rum to >>> possibly a timing problem. Is it possible for one mag to be timed just >>> a hair different than the other side and cause it to sould like it >>> rolls? ted cowan, slingshot, 912ul rum rum. >> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Merry Dawn From: "Thom Riddle" GeoB, I was not putting words in your mouth. "Wonder" was my word. I was just wanting to know where you could get one at that price. I'm happy to learn that my little Battery MINDer is a "desulfater" though I bought it just to maintain the charge on my SS battery during long cold winter non-flying spells. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322730#322730 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:54 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Battery rejuvenators/chargers My understanding is that a certain amount of the sulfate compound goes back into solution and some will fall to the bottom depending on the severity of the build up ... The heavy duty de-sulfators hit the plates with a high voltage pulse at some frequency..(the kit built one from ebay via Tiawan) uses 1.5 khz as I recall...and 30 volts...The home built one uses 30 cycle half wave pulses at some unknown voltage...(the drop across a 120 volt 100 watt bulb in series with the diode and the battery..)... I think it depends on the amount of sulfate on the plates. Deeply discharged batteries are the ones that find their way to the salvage yard...and will exhibit swelling in sub freezing weather...I would not buy those.. I went there to buy a few deep cycle batteries for testing...(flying, Golf and now fishing) :-) but found that they wanted 30 cents a pound for them..12 to 15 bucks...so I decided to test the one I have at home that is not taking much of a charge...Regular auto battery... I pull all of my batteries from mowers , scooters, etc and store them in the basement this time of year...Use an automatic charger in a rotation weekly...By the way store them above concrete floors...I use 1x10 's on concrete blocks..Herb At 12:37 AM 12/9/2010, you wrote: > > > it should be upended into a plastic tray and flushed with > distilled water to get most of the sulfate crystals out... > >I would like to mention that no step like this is required when >using the modern desulfators. It doesn't knock off chunks. To my >understanding, which may be incomplete or in error, the physical >action takes place at the meeting of the surface of the crystal and >the current-carrying electrolyte. These is no heavy current melting >a crystal like some do to 'rejuvenate Ni-cads. Actual specific >chemical bonds are excited to a higher energy state. This weakens >and breaks them freeing them to go back into solution. The atoms >from the crystals go back into solution in an ionic state, and >continue their normal and necessary function as part of the electrolyte. > >I have never shorted out a battery (with detritus building up under >the plates) because of desulfating. > >If there is a chemist in the house, listen to him not me. I took >twice the number of chemistry classes than required for my >engineering degree, but that was a long time ago and my brain needs desulfated. > >GeoB ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:07 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Group=2C More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. If you have that link=2C could you repost it=2C I can't find it doing a sea rch. Thanks=2C Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:46 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks At 12:23 PM 12/9/2010, Mike Welch wrote: > > More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. >If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search. Might have been Flambeau . I used one of their 1.5 gallon tanks as an aux tank for my UltraStar before I switched to a custom aluminum tank. -Dana -- I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo Galilei ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:12 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Mike, I replaced my tanks this past spring with a pair that I thought would be decent. They did have a good raised boss that I used for the vent lines. Unfortunately they distorted more than I was comfortable with. I ran them to the end of the season. I sourced another supplier for another pair. I have them now and they look very sturdy, substantial and rigid. -no guarantee how they will react to heat and pressure but I'm optimistic. They are only 5 gal tanks but that is all I need. My original old, yellowed and beat up tanks were quite sturdy and didn't deform so I knew good ones were out there someplace. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&clickid=redire ct 75001 heavyweight carboy BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 12:23 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > Group, > > More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. > If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search. > > > Thanks, > Mike Welch > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:40 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks - Bob- These say not to use for fuels or oils.- Is that something the l awyer put in? - ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan --- On Thu, 12/9/10, robert bean wrote: From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Mike, -I replaced my tanks this past spring with a pair that I thought wo uld be decent. -They did have a good raised boss- that I used for the vent lines. -Unfortunately they distorted more than I was comfortable with. I ran them to the end of the season. I sourced another supplier for another pair. -I have them now and they lo ok very sturdy, substantial and rigid. -no guarantee how they will react to heat and pressure but I'm optimistic. They are only 5 gal tanks but that is all I need. My original old, yellowed and beat up tanks were quite sturdy and didn't de form so I knew good ones were out there someplace. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&clickid=redirec t 75001 heavyweight carboy BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 12:23 PM, Mike Welch wrote: Group, - - More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search. - - Thanks, Mike Welch href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:17 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Bill, sounds likely. BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 1:25 PM, william sullivan wrote: > Bob- These say not to use for fuels or oils. Is that something the lawyer put in? > > Bill Sullivan > > --- On Thu, 12/9/10, robert bean wrote: > > From: robert bean > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 1:12 PM > > Mike, I replaced my tanks this past spring with a pair that I thought would be decent. They did have a good raised boss > that I used for the vent lines. Unfortunately they distorted more than I was comfortable with. > I ran them to the end of the season. > > I sourced another supplier for another pair. I have them now and they look very sturdy, substantial and rigid. > -no guarantee how they will react to heat and pressure but I'm optimistic. > They are only 5 gal tanks but that is all I need. > > My original old, yellowed and beat up tanks were quite sturdy and didn't deform so I knew good ones were out there someplace. > > http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&clickid=redire ct > > 75001 heavyweight carboy > BB > > > On 9, Dec 2010, at 12:23 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > >> Group, >> >> More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. >> If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Mike Welch >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HDPE tanks From: "Carolina Flyer" I have had good luck buying off of E-Bay..... Try a search for Nalgene Carboy and you will find 5 gallon HDPE Tanks, I have not bought from this site but have been told that they have good tanks http://www.usplastic.com -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch Phantom 503 B-Box Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322767#322767 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/963d_1_728.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:13 AM PST US From: Stephen Spence Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.aspx?catid=578&parentcatid=838 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Welch =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, December 9, 20 10 12:23:39 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks=0A=0AGroup,=0A-=0A- Mor e than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor.=0AIf you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search.=0A- =============== =0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Mike this is where I got my 10 Gallon tanks from they are very good qualit y and thicker material I installed one of these in my old firestar and I installed two in my MK3C I am very Happy with my fuel tanks http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryID=fueltanks&typ=fuel Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:23 pm Subject: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Group, More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search .. Thanks, Mike Welch ======================== =========== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Is that something the lawy er put in? Bill Sullivan --- On Thu, 12/9/10, robert bean wrote: From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Mike, I replaced my tanks this past spring with a pair that I thought wou ld be decent. They did have a good raised boss that I used for the vent lines. Unfortunately they distorted more than I was comfortable with. I ran them to the end of the season. I sourced another supplier for another pair. I have them now and they loo k very sturdy, substantial and rigid. -no guarantee how they will react to heat and pressure but I'm optimistic. They are only 5 gal tanks but that is all I need. My original old, yellowed and beat up tanks were quite sturdy and didn't deform so I knew good ones were out there someplace. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22694&clickid=redire ct 75001 heavyweight carboy BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 12:23 PM, Mike Welch wrote: Group, More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. 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The big white rectangular one looks like it might not fit in the conventional MkIII spot. BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 6:50 PM, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote: > Mike this is where I got my 10 Gallon tanks from they are very good quality and thicker material I installed one of these in my old firestar and I installed two in my MK3C > I am very Happy with my fuel tanks > > http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryID=fueltanks&typ=fuel > > Ellery Batchelder Jr. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Welch > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:23 pm > Subject: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks > > Group, > > More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. > If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search. > > > Thanks, > Mike Welch > > > ======================== =========== > =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com > m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ======================== =========== > rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ======================== =========== > tp://forums.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks From: Ellery Batchelder Jr the FU825 of 86.00 each the other one just comes with the straps and not worth the money is the ones I use Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: robert bean Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:16 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Ellery, which one are you referring to? The big white rectangular one loo ks like it might not fit in the conventional MkIII spot. BB On 9, Dec 2010, at 6:50 PM, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote: Mike this is where I got my 10 Gallon tanks from they are very good qualit y and thicker material I installed one of these in my old firestar and I installed two in my MK3C I am very Happy with my fuel tanks http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryID=fueltanks&typ=fuel Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:23 pm Subject: Kolb-List: HDPE tanks Group, More than a year ago someone posted a link to a plastic tank vendor. If you have that link, could you repost it, I can't find it doing a search .. 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If anyone wants them make an offer. I have aluminum tanks that I use. 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