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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (Pat Ladd)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (zeprep251@aol.com)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (robert bean)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (Dennis Thate)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Happy First Flight Day |
Wilbur Wright invented flight controls, with Orville invented aircraft
propeller theory, and developed the first real flight test program.
Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an
umbrella. Happy First Flight Day folks.>>
<<Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an
umbrella.>>
Whoa there!
I think that is going a bit far. The Wrights may have made the first
REPORTED controlled, sustained flight but there were plenty of others in
there with claims.
Richard Pearse in New Zealand made a pretty good flight in March `03.
Some months before the Wrights. He crashed into the top of a gorse hedge
12 ft high so he was at least off the ground.
There are records that a Frenchman, Felix du Temple, made a flight
powered by a steam flash boiler in 1874.
Trouble is with the definitions. Define controlled. Fly in a circle
maybe? Define powered. Does being launched by catapult count?.Define
sustained. 10 seconds? 20? 30?
Several people had got the theory of flight pretty well buttoned down
before the Wrights and had defined Lift, drag and produced airofoils.
Phillips in England is reported to have had a wind tunnel into which he
injected steam the see the airflow in 1884.
There is no doubt that the Wrights got it all together but what they did
best was promoting themselves. In true American fashion they realised
the value of publicity. Even in that first telegram the main phrase is
`inform the newspapers`. I am not knocking it. Its no good building a
better mousetrap if no one knows about it.
The Wrights did a great job and their names are in the history books and
that is what everyone accepts.However they didn`t just conjure all this
out of thin air and a bit of credit for the guys whose shoulders they
stood on would not go amiss
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Happy First Flight Day |
How-a-bout that sea foam eh?
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 7:10 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day
Wilbur Wright invented flight controls, with Orville invented aircraft prop
eller theory, and developed the first real flight test program. Until 1908
all the others were just jumping off the roof with an umbrella. Happy First
Flight Day folks.>>
<<Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an umbrella
.>>
Whoa there!
I think that is going a bit far. The Wrights may have made the first REPOR
TED controlled, sustained flight but there were plenty of others in there w
ith claims.
Richard Pearse in New Zealand made a pretty good flight in March `03. Some
months before the Wrights. He crashed into the top of a gorse hedge 12 ft h
igh so he was at least off the ground.
There are records that a Frenchman, Felix du Temple, made a flight powered
by a steam flash boiler in 1874.
Trouble is with the definitions. Define controlled. Fly in a circle maybe?
Define powered. Does being launched by catapult count?.Define sustained. 1
0 seconds? 20? 30?
Several people had got the theory of flight pretty well buttoned down befor
e the Wrights and had defined Lift, drag and produced airofoils. Phillips i
n England is reported to have had a wind tunnel into which he injected stea
m the see the airflow in 1884.
There is no doubt that the Wrights got it all together but what they did be
st was promoting themselves. In true American fashion they realised the val
ue of publicity. Even in that first telegram the main phrase is `inform the
newspapers`. I am not knocking it. Its no good building a better mousetrap
if no one knows about it.
The Wrights did a great job and their names are in the history books and th
at is what everyone accepts.However they didn`t just conjure all this out o
f thin air and a bit of credit for the guys whose shoulders they stood on w
ould not go amiss
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Happy First Flight Day |
Right on!
coat your VGs with sea foam and your Kolb will levitate vertically.
Santa coats it on his reindeer.
do not archive
On 18, Dec 2010, at 8:49 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> How-a-bout that sea foam eh?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 7:10 am
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day
>
> Wilbur Wright invented flight controls, with Orville invented aircraft
propeller theory, and developed the first real flight test program.
Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an
umbrella. Happy First Flight Day folks.>>
>
>
> <<Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an
umbrella.>>
>
>
> Whoa there!
>
> I think that is going a bit far. The Wrights may have made the first
REPORTED controlled, sustained flight but there were plenty of others in
there with claims.
>
> Richard Pearse in New Zealand made a pretty good flight in March `03.
Some months before the Wrights. He crashed into the top of a gorse hedge
12 ft high so he was at least off the ground.
>
> There are records that a Frenchman, Felix du Temple, made a flight
powered by a steam flash boiler in 1874.
>
> Trouble is with the definitions. Define controlled. Fly in a circle
maybe? Define powered. Does being launched by catapult count?.Define
sustained. 10 seconds? 20? 30?
>
> Several people had got the theory of flight pretty well buttoned down
before the Wrights and had defined Lift, drag and produced airofoils.
Phillips in England is reported to have had a wind tunnel into which he
injected steam the see the airflow in 1884.
>
> There is no doubt that the Wrights got it all together but what they
did best was promoting themselves. In true American fashion they
realised the value of publicity. Even in that first telegram the main
phrase is `inform the newspapers`. I am not knocking it. Its no good
building a better mousetrap if no one knows about it.
>
> The Wrights did a great job and their names are in the history books
and that is what everyone accepts.However they didn`t just conjure all
this out of thin air and a bit of credit for the guys whose shoulders
they stood on would not go amiss
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Happy First Flight Day |
>From their original notes, it would seem PR was very important.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy First Flight Day |
Pat, Controlled flight, the ability to maneuver the aircraft in all three
axis at the will of the pilot. No one else had demonstrated this, ever,
before the Wrights. Proof of this is simply the reaction of the French when
Wilbur flew there in 1908. Before this the French press had spent three
years speculating on whether the Wrights were "fliers or liars". One flight
of two minutes, in which Wilbur flew in a figure 8, was all that it took to
convince the French press and the rest of the world that they were doing
something substantially different from everyone else.
Catapults, there was none when the flights of December 17th 1903 were made.
There was a launching rail, nothing more. The catapult was added when they
moved their flight testing to Huffman Prairie. Without the winds of Kitty
Hawk the launching rail grew to over 250 feet in length. If the wind
direction changed it had to be taken up and relaid. The catapult allowed the
launching rail to be short enough to be moved in a reasonable time to
accommodate the wind.
Rick
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:17 AM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Right on!
>
> coat your VGs with sea foam and your Kolb will levitate vertically.
> Santa coats it on his reindeer.
> do not archive
>
> On 18, Dec 2010, at 8:49 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
>
> How-a-bout that sea foam eh?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 7:10 am
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day
>
> Wilbur Wright invented flight controls, with Orville invented aircraft
> propeller theory, and developed the first real flight test program. Until
> 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an umbrella. Happy
> First Flight Day folks.>>
>
>
> <<Until 1908 all the others were just jumping off the roof with an
> umbrella.>>
>
>
> Whoa there!
>
> I think that is going a bit far. The Wrights may have made the first
> REPORTED controlled, sustained flight but there were plenty of others in
> there with claims.
>
> Richard Pearse in New Zealand made a pretty good flight in March `03. Some
> months before the Wrights. He crashed into the top of a gorse hedge 12 ft
> high so he was at least off the ground.
>
> There are records that a Frenchman, Felix du Temple, made a flight powered
> by a steam flash boiler in 1874.
>
> Trouble is with the definitions. Define controlled. Fly in a circle
> maybe? Define powered. Does being launched by catapult count?.Define
> sustained. 10 seconds? 20? 30?
>
> Several people had got the theory of flight pretty well buttoned down
> before the Wrights and had defined Lift, drag and produced airofoils.
> Phillips in England is reported to have had a wind tunnel into which he
> injected steam the see the airflow in 1884.
>
> There is no doubt that the Wrights got it all together but what they did
> best was promoting themselves. In true American fashion they realised the
> value of publicity. Even in that first telegram the main phrase is `inform
> the newspapers`. I am not knocking it. Its no good building a better
> mousetrap if no one knows about it.
>
> The Wrights did a great job and their names are in the history books and
> that is what everyone accepts.However they didn`t just conjure all this out
> of thin air and a bit of credit for the guys whose shoulders they stood on
> would not go amiss
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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