---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/20/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:37 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (Pat Ladd) 2. 05:00 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:41 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (PCKing) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Happy First Flight Day (b young) 5. 08:26 AM - Re: Richard Pearse (Pat Ladd) 6. 08:49 AM - Re: Richard Pearse (Richard Neilsen) 7. 11:15 AM - Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Dennis Thate) 8. 02:13 PM - Re: Firestar for sale (Chris_A) 9. 02:33 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Dana Hague) 10. 02:44 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Richard Girard) 11. 02:54 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Jack B. Hart) 12. 03:05 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Dennis Thate) 13. 03:07 PM - Re: Kolb/Rotax503 Question (william sullivan) 14. 03:10 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (robert bean) 15. 03:25 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Richard Neilsen) 16. 03:50 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Richard Neilsen) 17. 03:52 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (zeprep251@aol.com) 18. 04:49 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Dana Hague) 19. 04:49 PM - Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question (Dana Hague) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:17 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day just remember the Wrights were English in origin>> Hi Ron, I thought you all were, well at least European which is the next best thing. Goodnight Dick! Cheers mate have a good Christmas (Starting to snow again. Looks like 2 for Christmas instead of the planned 10) Ho Ho Ho Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Happy First Flight Day From: "Thom Riddle" Pat, My Kolb is not stealthy and therefore is easily seen on RADAR which all the books I've read in America on the subject say was invented by the British. So, those Americans who read reliable sources already know this to be true and don't need convincing. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323888#323888 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:08 AM PST US From: "PCKing" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day EAA recently aired a webinar on flight before the Wrights. It discussed the early pioneers referenced here as well as the French. www.eaa.org/webinars Webinars are taped and made available for replay. Click on the archives button to replay the event. Top off your cup of coffee. It's 84 minutes long. PCKing ----- Original Message ----- From: aoldman@xtra.co.nz To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day No Pat not true, I knew you guys got there first . Just think the world owes TV to the limmys Downunder MK111c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:07 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Happy First Flight Day No Pat not true, I knew you guys got there first . Just think the world owes TV to the limmys Downunder MK111c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can we get back to talking about kolbs... 1st i am not sure how this subject line is KOLB related 2nd what ever happened to DO NOT ARCHIVE for messages that don't benefit kolb enthusiasts. if a few of you would like to discuss this please do so direct and not on the list. on the top of every message is the senders email address,,,, copy & paste into a new message, PLEASE,,, or am i the only one getting tired of this subject? boyd ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:04 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Richard Pearse Pat you forget Icarus the greek! He was the first, wasn't it Leo Da Vinci who was there too among the giants, of course there was the first Rocketeer Eliyja in Biblical times. >> Hi Ron, you are obviously enjoying this exchange as much as I am. Publicity is all. There is nothing like dying or being killed to get publicity and this is a prime example. Daedalus built the wings and flew succesfully. Icarus wouldn`t do what his Dad told him (plus ca change) and died. Who gets remembered? Icarus.. Leonardo would probably have made it if he had a power source. As would many others of course but he would have been way ahead. Eliyja the rocketeer is a new one and sounds like like something from Velikovsky( Worlds in chaos) or Daniken(Chariots of the Gods) Its all a lottery. Who invented the gramophone? Edison. No he didn`t . He invented the phonograph. Emile Berliner (who?) invented the gramophone.. I think we should go back to discussing the advantages of straight split pins against cirular ones or a comparison of different makes of oil before we are set upon by the big bad selfappointed guardian of the sanctity and purity of the Kolb List. Snowing again. Temps down to 17C below last night. Unheard of in this part of the South of England since records began in 1911.. I can remember about 1948 we had birds falling out of the air, dying in flight, haven`t seen that this time. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Richard Pearse From: Richard Neilsen OK..... Please Kolb ONLY!!!!! Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > Pat you forget Icarus the greek! He was the first, wasn't it Leo Da Vinci > who was there too among the giants, of course there was the first Rocketeer > Eliyja in Biblical times. >> > > Hi Ron, > you are obviously enjoying this exchange as much as I am. > > Publicity is all. There is nothing like dying or being killed to get > publicity and this is a prime example. Daedalus built the wings and flew > succesfully. Icarus wouldn`t do what his Dad told him (plus ca change) and > died. Who gets remembered? Icarus.. > Leonardo ....... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: "Dennis Thate" The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kolb Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is this ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to do this to make it legal? If I'm able to do this, I would appreciate some expert advice. Thanks, Dennis -------- Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard Shaw Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323923#323923 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aandp_211.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar for sale From: "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser@cox.net> Sold! For future sales price reference, I got my asking price. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323945#323945 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:11 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question At 02:12 PM 12/20/2010, Dennis Thate wrote: > >The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kolb >Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is >this ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to >do this to make it legal? You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. Anybody can legally work on it. -Dana -- Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: Richard Girard Anyone can work on an experimental aircraft, you just can't do the annual conditional inspection without some kind of certificate. This is an easy job to do, after you do it the first time. Take a picture o f the assembly before you take anything apart so you'll have something to refer to when reassembling. The hardest thing on both is to compress the springs, especially the starting carburetor (choke), when reassembling. Once your fingers are trained it hold the springs in compression while you guide the cable stop into its pocket you're set. While you're doing the carburetors be sure and check the condition of the needles and clips. The needle should not spin in the clip. If the clip is loose you can tweak it with a pair of pliers, if the needle land is worn, replace the needle and clip. Get your new grommets from JBM, they're better than the Rotax. After everything is back together smear a little lithium grease around the grommets to keep them supple and make them last a little longer. Rick Girard On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Dennis Thate wrote : > > The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kol b > Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is th is > ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to do th is > to make it legal? > If I'm able to do this, I would appreciate some expert advice. > > Thanks, > Dennis > > -------- > =91=91Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.=92 =92 George > Bernard Shaw > > Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323923#323923 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aandp_211.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:02 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: Dana Hague > You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. Anybody can legally work on it. > Dana, Might this only apply to the owner who built the experimental aircraft? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: "Dennis Thate" http://www.121five.com/admin/FeatureArticles/Owner%20Performed%20Aircraft%20Maintenance.pdf It's an Experimental, but I didn't build it myself. Regarding Maintenance, if you didn't build it then there is NO difference between this aircraft and a Type Certificated Aircraft. Further more, you are NOT eligible to become a Repairman for this aircraft as you did not originally construct it yourself; you can however perform Preventative Maintenance on this aircraft I.A.W. cfr. 14, FAR 43, Appendix A. All subsequent Annual Condition Inspections and any associated repair work, can ONLY be performed by either an A & P Mechanic, or a Repair Station. Just want make sure we are all on the same page -------- Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard Shaw Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323955#323955 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:52 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Rotax503 Question -- Go to the following site on how to do the Bing spring very easily. - Click on "Bing 54 tips".- Takes all the work out of it.- It's Scott Olendorf's site. - http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/home/bing-54-tips - - ------------------------- --------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- --------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ----------FS 447 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: robert bean Nope any old hammer mechanic or drunk off the street can work on it. The inspection, however, limits it to owner with repairman auth for that particular craft OR any sodden old A&P lured in with a tasty ale or two. BB On 20, Dec 2010, at 5:51 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:14:30 -0500 > From: Dana Hague >> > You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. > Anybody can legally work on it. >> > > Dana, > > Might this only apply to the owner who built the experimental aircraft? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: Richard Neilsen Dana That isn't entirely true. The rule for a experimental airplane is you can as the builder get a repairman's ccertificate to do your own work on the plane you built. A non builder needs to get a A & P to at least sign off on the work. A LSA armature built airplane needs to have the owner of the plane certified by one of those one week classes to do the work or again get a A & P to sign off on the work. With that said there is some minor work that can be done on your own airplane even production certified aircraft. I don't know the exact definition of what that work is. You need to consult the regulations for the exact rule. I would think the grommets might fall in this area but? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 02:12 PM 12/20/2010, Dennis Thate wrote: > > > The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kolb > Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is this > ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to do this > to make it legal? > > > You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. > Anybody can legally work on it. > > -Dana > > > -- > Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: Richard Neilsen Opps... may have been someone else. Also if it is a true ultralight then all bets are off and anyone can work on them since it isn't considered a airplane. Rick Neilsen On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Richard Neilsen wrote: > Dana > > That isn't entirely true. > > The rule for a experimental airplane is you can as the builder get a > repairman's ccertificate to do your own work on the plane you built. A non > builder needs to get a A & P to at least sign off on the work. A LSA > armature built airplane needs to have the owner of the plane certified by > one of those one week classes to do the work or again get a A & P to sign > off on the work. > > With that said there is some minor work that can be done on your own > airplane even production certified aircraft. I don't know the exact > definition of what that work is. You need to consult the regulations for the > exact rule. I would think the grommets might fall in this area but? > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > >> At 02:12 PM 12/20/2010, Dennis Thate wrote: >> >> >> The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kolb >> Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is this >> ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to do this >> to make it legal? >> >> >> You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. >> Anybody can legally work on it. >> >> -Dana >> >> >> -- >> Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. >> >> * >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question From: zeprep251@aol.com Rick, In a way, I think he is correct.You take the 16 hr course and you can do yo ur own condition inspections.Anyone can do the work on E-LSA.If you built i t,now it would be E-AB and you can get the cert by applying for it.No more E-LSA's,that should make the few out there more desirable.But are cable boo ts a major repair?Just be sure to use JBM boots so you only have to do it o nce. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Richard Neilsen Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question Dana That isn't entirely true. The rule for a experimental airplane is you can as the builder get a repair man's ccertificate to do your own work on the plane you built. A non builde r needs to get a A & P to at least sign off on the work. A LSA armature bui lt airplane needs to have the owner of the plane certified by one of those one week classes to do the work or again get a A & P to sign off on the wor k. With that said there is some minor work that can be done on your own airpla ne even production certified aircraft. I don't know the exact definition of what that work is. You need to consult the regulations for the exact rule. I would think the grommets might fall in this area but? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Dana Hague wrote: At 02:12 PM 12/20/2010, Dennis Thate wrote: The grommets on my throttle/ choke cables are all cracking on my 2006 Kolb Firestar II. I'm the second owner of this aircraft, so my question is this ...can I replace these cable grommets myself or do I need an A&P to do thi s to make it legal? You don't need an A&P to do _any_ work on any experimental aircraft. Anybo dy can legally work on it. -Dana -- Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:58 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question Jack, Rick, Technically, the FARs don't even require an annual inspection for an experimental aircraft, but the operating limitations almost always specify an annual "condition inspection" to be performed by an A&P. To do regular maintenance, or even major alterations, on an experimental aircraft you don't need anything: =A7 43.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (d) of this section, this part prescribes rules governing the maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, and alteration of any=97 (1) Aircraft having a U.S. airworthiness certificate; (2) Foreign-registered civil aircraft used in common carriage or carriage of mail under the provisions of Part 121 or 135 of this chapter; and (3) Airframe, aircraft engines, propellers, appliances, and component parts of such aircraft. (b) This part does not apply to=97 (1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft... See also . -Dana -- Daddy, what does "Formatting Drive C:" mean? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:58 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb / Rotax503 Question Jack, Rick, Technically, the FARs don't even require an annual inspection for an experimental aircraft, but the operating limitations almost always specify an annual "condition inspection" to be performed by an A&P. To do regular maintenance, or even major alterations, on an experimental aircraft you don't need anything: =A7 43.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (d) of this section, this part prescribes rules governing the maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, and alteration of any=97 (1) Aircraft having a U.S. airworthiness certificate; (2) Foreign-registered civil aircraft used in common carriage or carriage of mail under the provisions of Part 121 or 135 of this chapter; and (3) Airframe, aircraft engines, propellers, appliances, and component parts of such aircraft. (b) This part does not apply to=97 (1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft... See also . -Dana -- Daddy, what does "Formatting Drive C:" mean? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.