---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/28/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Sonex or GP VW. (Rick Neilsen) 2. 08:58 AM - Re: Sonex or GP VW. (Dennis Thate) 3. 09:01 AM - Re: Sonex or GP VW. (Thom Riddle) 4. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Sonex or GP VW. (John Hauck) 5. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Sonex or GP VW. (zeprep251@aol.com) 6. 01:18 PM - Re: Sonex or GP VW. (Thom Riddle) 7. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Sonex or GP VW. (John Hauck) 8. 02:00 PM - trade: Kawasaki KLR 650 for Kolb (Malcolm Brubaker) 9. 02:05 PM - b d for sale (Malcolm Brubaker) 10. 03:19 PM - Re: b d for sale (b d) 11. 05:56 PM - Re: Kolb-List , 12/25/10 (Bob Green) 12. 07:03 PM - Re: b d for sale (Malcolm Brubaker) 13. 07:35 PM - Re: b d for sale (b d) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. From: Rick Neilsen Thom I must have stepped on your direct drive toes, SORRY. I'm certainly not a expert but the sound generated by a shock wave or waves that causes a sonic boom can occur in the transonic range which is commonly defined as .8 - 1.2 mach. Most people would conclude that the object is supersonic when hearing the boom even though it might be below the speed of sound. Props don't make the classic boom rather a very loud roar. I paid $400 for a custom prop using those same calculations assuming I was well below the speed of sound only to have more HP turned into sound than thrust. My next door neighbor standing nose to nose after a very early morning flight would have been happy to hear that you feel that my prop wasn't going supersonic. I have flown in a Jabiru powered MKIII and it flew much better than my direct drive VW but not as well as a reduction drive VW or a Rotax 912. The point I was trying to make is that a reduction drive allows us to do many things at once to get the most performance from our airplanes. We can run our engines at a RPM where they get the most HP. We can select a prop that is the most efficient in producing thrust for the airframe configuration. We can also turn the prop at a RPM where HP is most efficiently turned into thrust. Do not archive Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > ..."a 60" prop on my direct drive VW. I do know and my neighbors know a > mile away that the tips=EF=BDwent supersonic at around 2900 RPM".... > > My Jabiru powered Kolb Slinshot w/ 64" diameter prop reaches about Mach . 80 > (sea level std day Mach) at my normal cruise speed of 2725-2750 rpm and 8 5 > mph TAS. At WOT straight and level of 95 mph TAS and 3160 RPM, the prop t ips > are at about .92 Mach. At 10,000' density altitude Mach 1 has decreased i n > terms of MPH by only 3.5%. I'm having trouble seeing how a shorter prop ( by > 6.25%) will reach Mach 1 at 3200 rpm at any normal Kolb airspeed, much le ss > 2900. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. From: "Dennis Thate" Hard to imagine, a low & Slow Kolb forum and 'Supersonic' in the same sentence. When I think supersonic I instantly think Jets ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324819#324819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/supersonic_605.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. From: "Thom Riddle" Not at all. I would prefer a psru on the Jab but the performance is good for low land operations. Not sure it would be adequate for high DA but that is rarely an issue for me. Just doing the math is all. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324820#324820 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:28 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. Not at all. I would prefer a psru on the Jab but the performance is good for low land operations. Not sure it would be adequate for high DA but that is rarely an issue for me. Just doing the math is all. -------- Thom Riddle Thom R/Gang: Please do not take my comments as being derogatory or bad mouthing direct drive powered Kolbs. Direct drive may be good enough for you because that is how your Sling Shot is equipped and you have not flown it with any other power. I have flown/demonstrated, at London, KY; Oshkosh and Lakeland; the first SS with 582, SS's with 80 and 100 horse 912's, but never with a direct drive. I have flown quite extensively with John W when his Kolbra was powered with a direct drive Jabiru. I can assure you all, we did a lot of comparative flying between his Jab and my MKIII with 912ULS. There really was no comparison. When John W repowered with the 912ULS, it was a complete turn around. I felt like I had an anchor tied to me and my 912ULS felt very enemic. More like I was getting half power out of it. I am not an engineer and I get my results from actually flying the airplanes. Math doesn't fly for me, but airplanes do. That is the way I do it and I have probably one of the quickest, best performing MKIII's that I have come in contact with and I have come in contact with many of them over the years. The performance figures you quote on your SS should be much better than what I am getting with my fat, wide body MKIII, and would with a reduction drive. Direct drive Kolbs do not do well and have never performed well on any model Kolb. We have tried Subaru's, Jabiru's, VW's, 1/2 VW's, and on and on. When compared to an engine with a reduction drive, there is a marked performance increase with reduction drives. Direct drive engines may perform well on other airplanes, but not Kolbs. I reempahsize, I am not bad mouthing direct drive Kolbs. Simply stating reality and what works with Kolbs in the real world. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. From: zeprep251@aol.com Rick, As a direct drive Kolbster,I could not agree with you more. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 11:47 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. Thom I must have stepped on your direct drive toes, SORRY. I'm certainly not a e xpert but the sound generated by a shock wave or waves that causes a sonic boom can occur in the transonic range which is commonly defined as .8 - 1.2 mach. Most people would conclude that the object is supersonic when hearin g the boom even though it might be below the speed of sound. Props don't ma ke the classic boom rather a very loud roar. I paid $400 for a custom prop using those same calculations assuming I was well below the speed of sound only to have more HP turned into sound than thrust. My next door neighbor s tanding nose to nose after a very early morning flight would have been happ y to hear that you feel that my prop wasn't going supersonic. I have flown in a Jabiru powered MKIII and it flew much better than my dire ct drive VW but not as well as a reduction drive VW or a Rotax 912. The point I was trying to make is that a reduction drive allows us to do ma ny things at once to get the most performance from our airplanes. We can ru n our engines at a RPM where they get the most HP. We can select a prop tha t is the most efficient in producing thrust for the airframe configuration. We can also turn the prop at a RPM where HP is most efficiently turned int o thrust. Do not archive Rick Neilsen 1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: ..."a 60" prop on my direct drive VW. I do know and my neighbors know a mil e away that the tips=EF=BDwent supersonic at around 2900 RPM".... My Jabiru powered Kolb Slinshot w/ 64" diameter prop reaches about Mach .80 (sea level std day Mach) at my normal cruise speed of 2725-2750 rpm and 85 mph TAS. At WOT straight and level of 95 mph TAS and 3160 RPM, the prop ti ps are at about .92 Mach. At 10,000' density altitude Mach 1 has decreased in terms of MPH by only 3.5%. I'm having trouble seeing how a shorter prop (by 6.25%) will reach Mach 1 at 3200 rpm at any normal Kolb airspeed, much less 2900. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. From: "Thom Riddle" John H, Perhaps you did not see this part of what I said. Go back and look, if you did not. "...I would prefer a psru on the Jab..." I am aware of the advantages of a PSRU and that is why I made above statement. If I am wrong and you DID see it, then I am confused as to why you would say what you did. There is no pissing contest here as far as I am concerned. I like both Jab and Rptax engines and have owned and operated both happily. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324842#324842 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sonex or GP VW. Perhaps you did not see this part of what I said. Go back and look, if you did not. "...I would prefer a psru on the Jab..." I am aware of the advantages of a PSRU and that is why I made above statement. If I am wrong and you DID see it, then I am confused as to why you would say what you did. There is no pissing contest here as far as I am concerned. I like both Jab and Rptax engines and have owned and operated both happily. -------- Thom Riddle Thom R/Gang: Wasn't trying to pee on you or have a contest to see who could pee the furtherest. Yes, I did read your entire msg and especially this part, "...I would prefer a psru on the Jab...". Perhaps I was trying to inform the members of the Kolb List, and there are a bunch of them, how many I do not know, of the differences between flying Kolbs with and without reduction drives. This is not a private conversation between a couple members, but information for every member of the Kolb List, especially new folks. Sorry you took my comments as a pissing contest. That was not my intention. Again, my opinion and experience, Kolbs do not fly well with direct drive engines. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:56 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kolb-List: trade: Kawasaki KLR 650 for Kolb yes my budy is willing to trade you can call him direct at (989) 621-2738 -=0A-he owned a bike like yours=0A--Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sp ort=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______ __________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:54:56 PM=0ASubject : Re: Kolb-List: Re: WTT: Kawasaki KLR 650 for Kolb=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess age posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0AThanks for the r eply but I'm looking for a trade instead of selling.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALuke/ Gang:=0A=0AI am fully aware that you were looking for a trade.=0A=0AHopeful ly, you will find a good one.- Kolbs are hard to beat when it comes =0Ato building and flying.=0A=0AMerry Christmas,=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIII=0ATitus, Al ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:24 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kolb-List: b d for sale =0Ai have a xair for sale-$3,500- needs motor--- nice shape also saw your- name on =0Akit fox site--- call any time mal-Malcolm Br ubaker =0A=0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-30 22 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: b d =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com; Arran =0ASent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:54:21 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb M kIIIc Kit for Sale=0A=0A=0AYou didn't mention an engine that I noted-. . . . You did-say $8,000 didn't you? =0A. . . .There is an-engine with it for $8000 yes?- =0A=0ADo you have pics to show what I would get for $800 0? =0A=0A=0A-=0AOn Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Arran =0A>=0A>Merry Christmas Everyone! I have been a "lurker" for several years now on the =0A>list and have enjoyed the pictures and storie s that everyone has contributed.=0A>=0A>A little over 3 years ago I bought a beautiful partially completed MkIIIc from a =0A>gentleman from Florida (i t had been sealed up in an enclosed trailer since he =0A>moved south). Atta ched are some pictures. Besides a little dust from sitting in =0A>my garage since then it is in wonderful shape.=0A>=0A>After much thought, and sadnes s, I realize that I just don't have the resources, =0A>mainly time, to comp lete the kit and give it justice. I have a 4 year old, and a =0A>new job th at demand just about all my time. It needs a new home and I hope that =0A>s omeone on the list knows of someone in need of a MkIIIc.=0A>=0A>Here is wha t you get: The cage has been painted, the wings assembled, the =0A>control surfaces have been assembled, all of it almost ready for covering. I =0A>ha ve a ton of parts, hardware, polyfiber information and chemicals, all the =0A>original blueprints and instruction manuals, as well as a Kunzelman LED strobe =0A>position light assembly still in the box (I paid $400 for it). Most importantly =0A>I have the original bill of sale from the factory to t he first owner in 1992, =0A>and then another bill of sale to me back in 200 7.=0A>=0A>The assembly, all done by the previous owner is absolutely top no tch. I think he =0A>ran some sort of machine shop business and the craftsma nship shows.=0A>=0A>I am asking $8,000 for it which is less than I have in it. I think that is fair =0A>for what you would be getting. I live in Nashv ille, TN and would more than =0A>willing to help you load it up. You can re ach me on my cell at 615-268-1409 or =0A>arran.addington@gmail.com I am mor e than happy to answer questions and take =0A>pictures, come on by if you l ike. I figured that I would offer it to the group =0A>first, and then if I don't hear anything I will put it up on Barnstormers next =0A>week. I appre ciate your help, and hope someone knows where it can find a new =0A>home. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matro nics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324548#324548=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments:=0A >=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_2_744.jpg=0A>http://forums .matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_1_153.jpg=0A>nnual List Fund Raiser. -Clic k on=0A>/" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>omebuiltHELP www.homeb uilthelp.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>ronics.com/" targe t="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>========== =============== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: b d for sale From: b d Can you send pics please? I am in Nevada. I will be going East as soon as the weather warms up . . . maybe spring time, who knows. I will be delivering one plane and picking up another so far. Show me what you have and a reasonable price so I can add it to my list. I have room for one or two more planes depending. I will also be making other trips if I can't get it this time. It really all boils down to price and value so I encourage you to be realistic or I can't even consider it. Thanks, Bruce On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: > > i have a xair for sale $3,500 needs motor nice shape also saw your > name on kit fox site call any time mal > Malcolm Brubaker > Michigan Sport > Pilot Repair > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > (989)513-3022 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* b d > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com; Arran > *Sent:* Mon, December 27, 2010 6:54:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIIIc Kit for Sale > > You didn't mention an engine that I noted . . . . You did say $8,000 didn't > you? . . . .There is an engine with it for $8000 yes? > Do you have pics to show what I would get for $8000? > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Arran wrote: > >> >> Merry Christmas Everyone! I have been a "lurker" for several years now on >> the list and have enjoyed the pictures and stories that everyone has >> contributed. >> >> A little over 3 years ago I bought a beautiful partially completed MkIIIc >> from a gentleman from Florida (it had been sealed up in an enclosed trailer >> since he moved south). Attached are some pictures. Besides a little dust >> from sitting in my garage since then it is in wonderful shape. >> >> After much thought, and sadness, I realize that I just don't have the >> resources, mainly time, to complete the kit and give it justice. I have a 4 >> year old, and a new job that demand just about all my time. It needs a new >> home and I hope that someone on the list knows of someone in need of a >> MkIIIc. >> >> Here is what you get: The cage has been painted, the wings assembled, the >> control surfaces have been assembled, all of it almost ready for covering. I >> have a ton of parts, hardware, polyfiber information and chemicals, all the >> original blueprints and instruction manuals, as well as a Kunzelman LED >> strobe position light assembly still in the box (I paid $400 for it). Most >> importantly I have the original bill of sale from the factory to the first >> owner in 1992, and then another bill of sale to me back in 2007. >> >> The assembly, all done by the previous owner is absolutely top notch. I >> think he ran some sort of machine shop business and the craftsmanship shows. >> >> I am asking $8,000 for it which is less than I have in it. I think that is >> fair for what you would be getting. I live in Nashville, TN and would more >> than willing to help you load it up. You can reach me on my cell at >> 615-268-1409 or arran.addington@gmail.com I am more than happy to answer >> questions and take pictures, come on by if you like. I figured that I would >> offer it to the group first, and then if I don't hear anything I will put it >> up on Barnstormers next week. I appreciate your help, and hope someone knows >> where it can find a new home. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324548#324548 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_2_744.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_1_153.jpg >> nnual List Fund Raiser. Click on >> /" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ============= >> >> >> >> > *ttp://www.buildersbooks.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbo=============* > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:06 PM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List , 12/25/10 I know this is not Kolb related and wonder how it got snuck in here. Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain IMO, Mark Twain must have been either listening to a "politician" or an atheist or an evolutionist. All three propagate what they know "ain't" true... On the other hand, Kolbers exercise "faith" in the laws of aero-dynamics every time we fly an airplane... because we know such laws have been proven true. Amazing that "flight" does not negate the law of gravity, it simply over comes it by a higher law. Great to hear about the name of Kolb going back to Kolb Company and back to the original designs of Mr Kolb. Have a wonderful New Year all! Bob N830PB Mark IIIX project... working toward flying it this spring. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:38 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: b d for sale just go to- you tube and put brubakermal in the search bar- its all the re----mal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0AFrom: b d =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Tue, December 28, 2010 6:14:08 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: b d for sal e=0A=0A=0ACan you send pics please?=0A=0AI am in Nevada. I will be going Ea st as soon as the weather warms up . . . maybe =0Aspring time, who knows. I will be delivering one plane and picking up another so =0Afar. Show me wha t you have and a reasonable price so I can add it to-my list. I =0Ahave r oom for one or two more planes depending. I will also be making other =0Atr ips if I-can't get it this time. It really all boils down to price and va lue =0Aso I encourage you to be realistic or I can't even consider it.- =0A=0AThanks,-=0A=0ABruce-=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Mal colm Brubaker wrote:=0A=0A=0A>i have a xair for sal e-$3,500- needs motor--- nice shape also saw your- name on =0A> kit fox site--- call any time mal-Malcolm Brubaker =0A>=0A>Michigan Sport=0A>Pilot Repair =0A>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>(989)513-3022 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A >=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: b d =0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com; Arran =0A>Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:54:21 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIIIc K it for Sale=0A>=0A>=0A>You didn't mention an engine that I noted-. . . . You did-say $8,000 didn't you? =0A>. . . .There is an-engine with it fo r $8000 yes?- =0A>=0A>Do you have pics to show what I would get for $8000 ? =0A>=0A>=0A>-=0A>On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Arran =0A>>=0A>>Merry Christmas Everyone! I have been a "lurk er" for several years now on the =0A>>list and have enjoyed the pictures an d stories that everyone has contributed.=0A>>=0A>>A little over 3 years ago I bought a beautiful partially completed MkIIIc from a =0A>>gentleman from Florida (it had been sealed up in an enclosed trailer since he =0A>>moved south). Attached are some pictures. Besides a little dust from sitting in =0A>>my garage since then it is in wonderful shape.=0A>>=0A>>After much tho ught, and sadness, I realize that I just don't have the resources, =0A>>mai nly time, to complete the kit and give it justice. I have a 4 year old, and a =0A>>new job that demand just about all my time. It needs a new home and I hope that =0A>>someone on the list knows of someone in need of a MkIIIc. =0A>>=0A>>Here is what you get: The cage has been painted, the wings assemb led, the =0A>>control surfaces have been assembled, all of it almost ready for covering. I =0A>>have a ton of parts, hardware, polyfiber information a nd chemicals, all the =0A>>original blueprints and instruction manuals, as well as a Kunzelman LED strobe =0A>>position light assembly still in the bo x (I paid $400 for it). Most importantly =0A>>I have the original bill of s ale from the factory to the first owner in 1992, =0A>>and then another bill of sale to me back in 2007.=0A>>=0A>>The assembly, all done by the previou s owner is absolutely top notch. I think he =0A>>ran some sort of machine s hop business and the craftsmanship shows.=0A>>=0A>>I am asking $8,000 for i t which is less than I have in it. I think that is fair =0A>>for what you w ould be getting. I live in Nashville, TN and would more than =0A>>willing t o help you load it up. You can reach me on my cell at 615-268-1409 or =0A>> arran.addington@gmail.com I am more than happy to answer questions and take =0A>>pictures, come on by if you like. I figured that I would offer it to the group =0A>>first, and then if I don't hear anything I will put it up on Barnstormers next =0A>>week. I appreciate your help, and hope someone know s where it can find a new =0A>>home.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Read this topi c online here:=0A>>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32454 8#324548=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Attachments:=0A>>=0A>>http://forums.matron ics.com//files/kolb_pic_2_744.jpg=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com//files/ko lb_pic_1_153.jpg=0A>>nnual List Fund Raiser. -Click on=0A>>/" target="_ blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>>omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>>http ://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>ronics.com/" target="_blank">http:/ /forums.matronics.com/=0A>>===============0A>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>ttp://www.buildersbooks.com/" rel=nofollow =0A>tar get=_blank>www.buildersbo============= =0A>=0A> =0A> "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com/" target="_blank">www.buildersbo oks.com =0A>="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com =0A>_blank">http://www.matron ics.com/contributionget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb- ==================== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: b d for sale From: b d Thanks, Bruce On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: > just go to you tube and put brubakermal in the search bar its all > there mal > > Malcolm Brubaker > Michigan Sport > Pilot Repair > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > (989)513-3022 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* b d > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, December 28, 2010 6:14:08 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: b d for sale > > Can you send pics please? > > I am in Nevada. I will be going East as soon as the weather warms up . . . > maybe spring time, who knows. I will be delivering one plane and picking up > another so far. Show me what you have and a reasonable price so I can add it > to my list. I have room for one or two more planes depending. I will also be > making other trips if I can't get it this time. It really all boils down to > price and value so I encourage you to be realistic or I can't even consider > it. > > Thanks, > > Bruce > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Malcolm Brubaker > wrote: > >> >> i have a xair for sale $3,500 needs motor nice shape also saw your >> name on kit fox site call any time mal >> Malcolm Brubaker >> Michigan Sport >> Pilot Repair >> LSRM-A, PPC, WS >> (989)513-3022 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* b d >> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com; Arran >> *Sent:* Mon, December 27, 2010 6:54:21 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIIIc Kit for Sale >> >> You didn't mention an engine that I noted . . . . You did say $8,000 >> didn't you? . . . .There is an engine with it for $8000 yes? >> Do you have pics to show what I would get for $8000? >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Arran wrote: >> >>> >>> Merry Christmas Everyone! I have been a "lurker" for several years now on >>> the list and have enjoyed the pictures and stories that everyone has >>> contributed. >>> >>> A little over 3 years ago I bought a beautiful partially completed MkIIIc >>> from a gentleman from Florida (it had been sealed up in an enclosed trailer >>> since he moved south). Attached are some pictures. Besides a little dust >>> from sitting in my garage since then it is in wonderful shape. >>> >>> After much thought, and sadness, I realize that I just don't have the >>> resources, mainly time, to complete the kit and give it justice. I have a 4 >>> year old, and a new job that demand just about all my time. It needs a new >>> home and I hope that someone on the list knows of someone in need of a >>> MkIIIc. >>> >>> Here is what you get: The cage has been painted, the wings assembled, the >>> control surfaces have been assembled, all of it almost ready for covering. I >>> have a ton of parts, hardware, polyfiber information and chemicals, all the >>> original blueprints and instruction manuals, as well as a Kunzelman LED >>> strobe position light assembly still in the box (I paid $400 for it). Most >>> importantly I have the original bill of sale from the factory to the first >>> owner in 1992, and then another bill of sale to me back in 2007. >>> >>> The assembly, all done by the previous owner is absolutely top notch. I >>> think he ran some sort of machine shop business and the craftsmanship shows. >>> >>> I am asking $8,000 for it which is less than I have in it. I think that >>> is fair for what you would be getting. I live in Nashville, TN and would >>> more than willing to help you load it up. You can reach me on my cell at >>> 615-268-1409 or arran.addington@gmail.com I am more than happy to answer >>> questions and take pictures, come on by if you like. I figured that I would >>> offer it to the group first, and then if I don't hear anything I will put it >>> up on Barnstormers next week. I appreciate your help, and hope someone knows >>> where it can find a new home. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324548#324548 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_2_744.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_pic_1_153.jpg >>> nnual List Fund Raiser. 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